Jazz & related V
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Topic: Jazz & related V
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Subject: Jazz & related V
Date Posted: October 15 2021 at 19:16
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This is Frank's to lose but I have to go with Vitamin F something we all need more of with Winter approaching. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: October 15 2021 at 20:49
| Hard choices between Frank Zappa and John McLaughlin. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 15 2021 at 21:46
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Zorn infiltrates the party and steals my vote. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 00:07
| Surely Hot Rats. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 00:51
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Zappa here no contest. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 01:08
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This might be an unpopular thought, but Hot Rats doesn't include enough jazz for it to be a jazz fusion album to me. This is coming from a jazz musician. Does it have jazz influence? Of course. There certainly are jazzy parts. But let's be real, there is more of a jazz instrumentation/"sound" than there is actual jazz on it. The long ostinato solo sections on Willie and Gumbo are not jazz. Improv does not equal jazz. It's closer to the blues. Green Genes is a slower instrumental version of the Uncle Meat track. Nothing really jazzy about it. The other three are more indicative of Zappa's "serious" compositional stylings, just with a rock/jazz instrumentation. And while they certainly have some jazzy moments (the last two tracks in particular, the rhythm section players are comping in a jazz type style), I wouldn't qualify them as "Jazz" compositions. Just my take. Still an important album.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 01:30
They're not jazz compositions; that's why it's called fusion and not jazz. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Awesoreno wrote:Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 03:39
only know Frank Zappa here... 
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 04:36
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I'd say most of Hot Rats is quite comfortably a Jazz Rock Fusion-album. For one thing it's one of a handful of 1969-albums that helped shape what we now consider to be jazz fusion. While Miles incoprorated rock (among other things) coming from a jazz background, Zappa came from "rock" and fused his music with jazz (among other things). Besides rock, jazz, funk... all has it's origins in the blues - and sometimes jazz is "just blues with jazz instruments" too. |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 06:10
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Zappa- Hot Rats. Alphonse Mouzon gets an honorable mention for his collaboration with Tommy Bolin & Lee Ritenour on the "Mind Transplant" album. Mouzon (imo) is a terribly under rated fusion drummer. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 06:27
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 07:43
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I hope there will be a "jazz and related" poll that includes this fantastic album:  -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 08:07
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Hot Rats is a masterpiece and will surely win but I'm voting for Zorn's Electric Masada which is a noisy brutal sublime slice of avant metal jazz. Adore it. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 08:09
I liked that!
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 19:27
Yeah who let Zorn in? Oh I guess that was me. Your welcome! Monster double album with Zorn doing his best Pharoah Sanders impressions. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 19:30
That's why the polls are called Jazz & related. Hot rats is one of those weird relatives that comes over uninvited at the worst possible time. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 19:35
This was a late addition. Not as consistent as I'd like but worthy enough to be on here. Dated like the cover at times but that's part of the charm. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 19:36
If we don't have hope what's left? ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 19:37
I thought this would get more votes to be honest. I mean yes it's avant Jazz pretty much but man what a powerful jaw dropping album. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 19:41
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I was thinking Saino from France was a bit of a guilty pleasure but not at all I just really dig their sound. Urbaniac is a world class violinist from Poland who moved to America. I always wished his wife Ursula was more prominent with her wordless vocals and this is where I got my wish on this 1973 live release. Man she can sing. Reminded me of Maurica Platon on that debut Zao record but her voice isn't as deep here. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 21:07
A fair answer.
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Posted By: Cboi Sandlin
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 21:27
| Frank Zappa is the only one that most of us even know so he obviously gonna get all the votes |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 17 2021 at 03:13
I hope this is not the reason Zappa is leading in the poll. We have to vote for the album and not the artist. Hot Rats is an excellent album anyway.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 17 2021 at 03:17
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Devotion, thing is a dirty little gem. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: rik wilson
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 14:48
| Hot Rats set me straight...into jazz and fusion. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 19:58
Ahhhh the gateway album. Perfect record for that. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: socrates17
Date Posted: October 21 2021 at 08:44
| Pretty much a tie between Zappa & Electric Masada, but Frank is running away with it so I decided to give some love to Electric Masada. |