R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find out what it means to me
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Topic: R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find out what it means to me
Posted By: Logan
Subject: R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find out what it means to me
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 13:51
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Not going with Proto-Prog (the Beatles would have been here) or Prog-Related (Queen etc.) one in PA. There are many other bands (not going with artist names) that I could have included, but from this list, which band do you think gets too much unfair disrespect, and which from here that you have seen many disparaging comments about (even if all from the same person - lol) would you be most likely to defend and try to set the other straight? Please vote for one in the poll, and mention any others. For many I think it comes down to era, like there are those who might like certain era of Pink Floyd (not on the list) but not another. Or with Marillion (on the list), there are those who like the Fish era but not the H era and vice versa. You can take such things into account. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:05
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Given the fact they are my favourite band and recent posts have given them a 5h1t kicking...ELP of course. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:06
| Oh God, without a doubt it would be a band like Mostly Autumn. They churn out quality album after album (especially their last 3 or 4) and they still get treated like crossover lightweights throughout the Prog fraternity. I think they get looked down on because of their lack of experimentation or time changes, but they write damned fine music. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:09
Speaking as a fellow ELP fan, I think they get plenty enough love and respect on this forum for what they achieved. Their music may sound a bit dated now, but their music has never been looked down on by many proggers.
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JD wrote:Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:10
| ELP help! |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:18
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Has to be Cardiacs, small fanatical bunch of fans and everyone else hates them. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:28
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At this time and also before, ELP ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:30
| Marillion |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:34
But there must have been at least one post which warmed your heart.  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:36
nice  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:39
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I think everybody has a right to not like any band and to talk about it. I'd love Cardiacs to have more fans, and more people to "get" Can, but I can't say I believe they are not respected around here. Some are open about not liking them but that's not a problem. (From time to time you read "they are bad" about a band somebody dislikes rather than "I don't like them" but that's how people are.) I like Can and Cardiacs much more than ELP or Rush, but I've got to say I've read more unfair comments about the latter two. Still not that many really, most people who don't like them say just that plus reasons. Actually I realise thinking about this that the discourse on this site is mostly fine even when negative. No vote. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 14:45
I'd have to go with ELP, not only for the disparaging comments on PA about the much-maligned Love Beach album, but also for what Radio One DJ John Peel said about ELP years ago when he said "they're a waste of talent and electricity", and that's coming from someone whose favourite album is Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart, and whose favourite bands are The Fall, The Ramones and Joy Division - so obviously not a prog fan.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 15:04
ELP would have benefited from a little HELP with a capital H from Hendrix. -------------------------------------------------- I'm going with Comus mostly due to interactions with people here, reading posts here and reading reviews at PA. I've read people calling Comus the band totally disgusting, appalling, disturbing, sick, depraved, vile, soul-destroying, incredibly dark, abominable and ugly, no doubt based on some familiarity with First Utterance, which does have disturbing content ("Drip Drip" especially for me). I could take disgusting and vile, but totally? Of course some are prone to hyperbole. But something like "The Herald" I think is so beautiful and, yes, creepy. First Utterance reminds me of folk horror cinema, and people complain about the album's lyrics and goat-like vocals who wouldn't complain about such things in a folk-horror movie, especially if it involved a talking and singing goat presumably (the goat sounds a little horse). But those who dismiss or proclaim Comus as nothing but sick and twisted vile garbage don't take the follow-up album To Keep From Crying into account, which is much lighter. To make matters worse for me, as I like both albums, those really into First Utterance tend to be very dismissive of To Keep From Crying -- yes, it is a mixed bag,. It doesn't strike me as very fair to Comus that they are totally dismissed by some haters just because of music/ themes off the first album, and some other lovers of FU totally pan To Keep From Crying, like it's a total sell-out, and not the good kind of sell-out liking selling your soul to the devil either. Anyway, it's a band that I have tried to defend q lot during my years here, and I have defended both of the first two albums. Interestingly to me, there is a compilation that has both of the first two albums which gets high ratings and I have known someone who said they loved that compilation with both albums together yet he dismissed To Keep From Crying as crap on its own. They do work better together for me too, and it comes with some great bonus tracks. As I started a review with: To Keep From Crying might just be the antidote some of you need from the dirtiness you feel from having listened to "Drip Drip". If I were the tearful type, I'd say that all the disdain this album gets has barely kept me from crying. I wish more people would join the light side of Comus while still appreciating the dark side. Not only do I think that this album does not get enough respect from those who love First Utterance, but I wish that it got more attention from those who hate Comus based on the rather dark and disturbing, pagan themed conceptual album called First Utterance. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 15:23
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I've seen ELP, Saga and Kansas get maligned extensively over the years by critics and listeners alike. I'm not quite sure which to vote for, though ELP would be the obvious choice since they came first and were savaged often. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 15:37
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No doubt, Rush. Maybe not specifically on this site, but critics hated Rush. Not many radio stations would play their music until "Moving Pictures" was released. They made their way by relentless touring, not giving up, and on their final tour they were selling out stadiums. Not many bands end that way. And they were one of the few bands that retained the same personnel for over 40 years. Now if we are talking solo artists... Allan Holdsworth's solo material seems to be seriously disliked on PA.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 15:49
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^ On a tangent... And even when the music was getting played a lot on the radio here, a very popular radio host in Vancouver would refer to Geddy Lee as "Rock's most handsome man" in a clearly ironic manner. I have heard so many disparaging comments about Rush's music from Geddy Lee's voice grates on me to Peart's drumset is stupidly big, and not just from me either. ;) Another band I now remember being unfairly ridiculed in my early days at this site was Carptree, which was being referred to as Craptree... and for that I apologise.  ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 15:57
| VDGG or Gentle Giant. I'll have to think about it. Maybe Magma too. ELP are pretty respected by most seasonsed older prog fans. I think it's the younger fans who don't get them. Maybe a case of you had to be there. |
Posted By: VultureCulture07
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 16:47
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I vote ELP because it seems they're always bring attacked. But not here is Pallas, I discovered them because people on this site were absolutely dumping on them, and saying The Sentinel is the worst prog album of all time. Me personally, I like them alot. Also Iron Duke did not deserve that one review on "First Salvo", I love that album and that band. Edit: Also I don't know Alan Parsons Project did to deserve being abused, they may not be extremely "proggy" but they made some really good stuff, no exceptions to that in my opinion, all gems from "Tales of Mystery and Imagination" to "Freudania". In fact I'm visiting Eric woolfsons grave soon and I am trying to decide what to leave there if anyone has ideas. Last but not least, the last three Gentle Giant albums "The Missing Piece" to "Civilian". Those three get more flak than deserved, not everything is a masterpiece and bands change eventually. ------------- https://llamakoifish.wixsite.com/goosestavsrecordrevi" rel="nofollow - My Link I make content here... Sometimes |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 16:52
Anyway, I find it to be an interesting question how come that ELP don't get higher ratings than it's the case, and the case looks much worse on RYM than PA - even I'd say that the ratings are in general higher on PA than on RYM. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 17:01
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Comus would certainly be on my shortlist. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 17:03
That might explain the difference in ratings between RYM and PA. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 17:09
| Ok. I voted for ELP after all. They were very big in the 70s but now they are a laughing stock among many prog fans. Having Carl Palmer tour with video of his former band mates didn't help much either. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 17:13
Are you suggesting the RYM users are on average much younger than those on PA? Their ratings (for the first few anyway) could be much worse on RYM.
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Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 17:31
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ELP of course. I have been defending them since the days of punk and arguments on the back seat of the bus. Love them to bits but alas never got to saw them in their prime - I was too young and had to wait.
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: May 03 2023 at 23:40
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: May 04 2023 at 01:09
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There’s a few bands here that I could have chosen like Mostly Autumn, Marillion or The Flower Kings but. I went for Emerson, Lake & Palmer ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: May 04 2023 at 05:00
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Of the bands I know, I’ll go with DT. Yes, I agree they have become somewhat inconsistent, but they have produced some sublime music IMO, particularly in the earlier stages of their output, but not just then. ------------- Heaven is waiting but waiting is Hell |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 04 2023 at 05:13
I don't really know, but I could definitely have the impression that there're more of younger users on RYM.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: May 04 2023 at 05:50
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^ But it's not easy to compare ELP's ratings, as all the Progressive Rock ratings are in general higher on PA than on RYM. Relatively seen there might not be so big difference. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: May 04 2023 at 06:12
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This is a very difficult choice. There are many unrespected, or if you prefer less respected, bands in the prog circles. I could mention an amount of names here. But, restricting me only with the names on this list, probably the name less respected and due to the huge importance to our prog rock, I need to choose ELP too. It's really impressive that many prog fans forgot the amazing quality of this great prog band and their huge contribution to the prog music, that supposedly we all should love, besides the amazing quality of the individual members of that band. They were simply some of the best characters ever in their own skills. About the other names, and in a smaller scale, I think Kansas, Dream Theater, Marillion (Hogarth's era), Pendragon and Mostly Autumn, can be added to that list too. All these names deserved to be more loved in our prog circles. The others, I think somehow they're all respected by almost all prof fans, in a certain way. ------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: May 04 2023 at 15:22
My sentiments exactly. They blow most bands on here out of sight, yet they are often dismissed as Pink Floyd clones, which they most certainly are not. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 04 2023 at 15:52
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: May 04 2023 at 16:05
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They probably deserve all more respect, but not necessarily from me. Which is not a valuation of the list presented here, because there are several bands that I quite like, but others leave me quite indifferent. I don't think that's a question of respect (or lack of), but simply of preference. So, no vote. ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 04 2023 at 21:31
| ELP obviously but I might have voted for Glass Hammer if they were included. I truly love what Fred Schendel and Steve Babb do yet they are often written off as bad Yes rip offs. A much more creative band than most give them credit for, they are easily one of my favourite post 80's bands along with the likes of Porcupine Tree and Big Big Train. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 05 2023 at 05:48
| ELP of course. Not only from the prog community, but also for the music industry in general. |