Prog Metal- Fact or Fiction?
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Topic: Prog Metal- Fact or Fiction?
Posted By: MajesterX
Subject: Prog Metal- Fact or Fiction?
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 12:46
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It seems there is an endless debate on whether or not Prog Metal exists. If you ask a modern prog or metal fan, they would say yes. If you asked a person who doesn't listen to anything outside of the 70's, they would probably say no. So, in an attempt to end all debates, what do you think? ------------- 
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Posted By: nicoguitar
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 12:49
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I think that it's only prog. it can be rock,folk,metal but it's prog. ------------- STATE OF MIND http://www.stateofmind.it - http://www.stateofmind.it - Italian Prog Metal Band |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 12:50
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Yes- PM does exist
here is proof:
http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=19 - http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=19
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 12:55
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So which of you blasphemers will have enough courage to declare that I am a part of a non-existant team on a non-existant genre? -- Ivan ------------- sig |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 12:55
If it's written on the intarweb, it must be true! ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Drew wrote:Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 12:59
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MikeEnRegalia (aka the guy who loves Bon Jovi) had an interesting thread about this. The reasoning was something like rock ==> progressive rock metal ==> progressive metal That is, prog rock ala the classic 70s type is an extension (for lack of a better word) of 50s/60s rock music, and prog metal is an extension of classic heavy metal - NWOBHM and speed/thrash. The idea is that one should separate out prog metal in this way, and emphasize its metal roots (if I grok the argument correctly, as I only briefly scanned it). Too lazy to find the thread, but anyway Mike was the topic starter. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:05
^ Yes, trust the guy who likes Bon Jovi! Here's my chart once again, because it also makes sense in this poll:  I think that prog metal is more a sub genre of metal than of prog rock ... nevertheless it is strongly influenced by prog rock. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:06
This is generally right, but a bit narrow in scope IMO. progressive metal like Symphony X clearly evolved from classic metal, but then how can you account for Maudlin of the Well or Isis, which have pretty much no base in classic metal? Were there progressive rock bands not rooted in 60's/70's rock? ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:08
look out for Peter Rideout and his silly pictures....he says it's just metal with keyboards.... There is one vote for no....you'll have to track them down.. -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:12
Freely admitting to not having heard MotW and having heard only perhaps 1 or 2 songs of Isis, I'll pose this question - if they are characterized as prog metal, what about them is the "metal" part? Why not just simply post rock? |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:15
For me (according to many critics [and I am not mad]) Prog Metal is a NEO NEO PROG!!!!!!!!!! And this is (Metal or Prog Rock Sub Genre) a  Sub Genre or Genre of music!!!------------- 
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:17
maudlin of the Well are strongly rooted in Classic Metal as well, and whilst not their main influence, you can't deny they did nod their heads to King Diamond, Sepultura and more popular bands of the genre.
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:18
You are a part of a non-existent team on a non-existent genre. In fact, you don't even exist; like prog-metal, you are a mass hallucination.
 Seriously though, prog-metal does exist, although I wish it didn't. ;-) ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:20
Well, now that I have to explain this, I can see where their roots are.  the reason they're called prog metal and not anything else is because they sound like metal. The composition structure is completely different, and the music has entirely different goals from classic metal, but I guess it's the tonality that remains and makes it metal. I suppose your question answered my question. thanks! ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:23
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Of course it exists. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:34
Listen for yourself: http://www.myspace.com/maudlinofthewell - http://www.myspace.com/maudlinofthewell ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:35
Hey, I'm just glad to not come off looking like a complete goof. I'm worse than a n00b when it comes to post rock/post metal, really a knowledge base of practically nil. |
Posted By: bruin69
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:39
| Yes, it does exist unfortunately... |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:41
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^ well you should get on that! but for the sake of staying on topic, of course prog metal exists! ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:42
For reason the player wouldn't work...but as I don't run Windows stuff like this often comes up. I'm listening to "The Blue Ghost" from their PA page now...not bad, although this song was more mellow than metal. Edit: Oh yeah, I should probably answer the poll question. Yes, prog metal exists. |
Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:42
I agree with you except with the fact that you'r not mad.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:46
U N F O R T U N A T E L Y ?
F O R T U N A T E L Y ! ! !, O F C O U R S E -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:57
All Progressive Rock is Progressive Rock.
Sub genres just cause arguments between people.
 It's just another bizarre humanoid attempt to categorize.
 Hello Everyone, I love mostly All Progrssive music from 1966 to 2006.
I have 3666 Progressive Rock Albums and Cd's. I have seen most all of them in concert.
Take Care.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:05
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Oh, I'll give you Fact and Fiction. Behold!....
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 (silly topic = silly post)
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:06
You Have Just Tracked Me Down. What do have to say? I know Prog Metal doesn't exsit. However
Proggressive Rock is all Progressive no need for sub genres. Read my Other message.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:09
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Not to play the definition game, but what do you mean by "exist"? All
genres of music exist in the minds of those that label them.
Conversely, no genres of music exist in the concrete sense. The
questions seems irrelevant to me. ------------- 
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:11
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Of course it exists. I don't care for it, but that doesn't make any difference. Although, I do believe that it belongs more to metal than prog. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:12
It wasn't a question. I am telling you they don't exist and that is all you need to know right now.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:20
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^ The ProgGod has spoken - let there be no objection!
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:21
It's not going to end the debate,it's just going to fuel it. I don't care if anybody else likes it,I don't care if anyone else think it's not a legitimate prog sub genre....... It's here,it's not going away.GET USED TO IT. -------------  |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:23
Prog metal? Prog AND metal together? Thats the most offensive bullsh*t I've heard in a while!!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:26
We must all be heretics! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:26
Ohh - I can feel your anger.
What is there to get used to if it's all ready here.
You should not give fuel to this fire. You should quietly enjoy sub genres because they won't be here for long.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:28
^you mean that you'll remove sub genres from the face of the earth?
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:29
What does that mean? Are you going to rain down fire and brimstone upon us? Is prog metal the next Sodom and Gomorrah? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:29
I have spoken
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:30
Well, of course you can. Check his avatar - he's gone to the Dark Side of the Force. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:30
but who's listening? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:31
Apparently you
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:32
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^ lol ... I'm only winding you up, can't even remember what you said in the beginning.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:35
You seem to be a bit disturbed. Why would you wind someone up? Unless it secretly fulfills your inner child.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:36
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You started the winding up - telling us what to think about genres.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:38
I see you're trying to bring a "New Prog Order" to the world, (prog)GOD, so just let me step to the side and let you continue...
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:38
fight! fight! fight! 
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:38
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Why wouldn't you want to wind someone up? It is ever so much fun.
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:38
In the beginning Back in nineteen fifty-five Man didn't know about a rock 'n' roll show And all that jive The white man had the smoltz The black man had the blues No one knew what they was gonna do But Tchaikovsky had the news He said - "Let there be light", and there was light "Let there be sound", and there was sound "Let there be drums", and there was drums "Let there be guitar", and there was guitar "Let there be rock" And it came to pass That rock 'n' roll was born All across the land every rockin' band Was blowing up a storm The guitarman got famous The businessman got rich And in every bar there was a super star With a seven year itch There were fifteen million fingers Learning how to play And you could hear the fingers picking And this is what they had to say "Let there be light" "Sound" "Drums" "Guitar" "Let there be rock" One night in a club called `The Shaking Hand' There was a ninety-two decibel rocking band The music was good and the music was loud And the singer turned and he said to the crowd - "Let there be rock" ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:39
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^ no fighting for me ... I'll also step aside and let the true ProgGod speak. Maybe he can even change the result of this poll - please god, give us a sign of your power!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:40
^ nice one horza - one of my favorite AC/DC songs! Especially on the If You Want Blood album.
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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:40
Calm down now.... It's an opinion poll, ovbiously it's not going to solve any real problems, I knew that when I started it. The main point was to attract those who do and do not think prog metal is really "prog" and see what their views are... I voted yes you know... -------------
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:41
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You've really been on the warpath with these polls lately Mike.
For the record it exists, but not in a Cartesian reis cogitons sort of fashion. -------------  
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:42
I am winding no one up. I am telling you shall not believe in sub genres. You wind yourselves up over this. I am as calm as feather floating just reading about everyones anger on this sub genre topic.
Anger is the fuel that gets you nowhere. But the voice of Reason is always against a howling mob.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:42
^I categorize therefore I am!
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:45
God has paraphrased Neil Peart! I knew listening to Rush would get me somewhere!! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:46
I quess you think your the burning bush also.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:48
Neil Peart did not write that line it was wriiten back when JC was around.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:48
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Julia Childs?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:48
Yes, but you can't deduce that the howling mob is always without reason ... besides, nobody's howling here! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:49
You must be the god of bad grammar - in this context you surely meant "you're" as in "you are" and not "your". ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:50
No wait, I've got it. Johann Christofori, the inventor of the piano. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:51
now, don't get tight! Relax, and put some genre free music on!  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:51
FOUND YOU OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOTCHA!!!!!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:53
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:56
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:02
C'mon guys, don't stop now. That was very enjoyable. I love a good, fun, semi-surreal exchange.  ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:03
Who's He? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:04
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Where's Lord Qwerty when you need him? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:05
Sorry, I'm busy listening to music. You gotta have priorities! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:10
Oh dang dude!
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:32
| Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani? |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:53
I love how anonymity makes people feel like they're unstoppable....
Hell I could piss off every one of you *not that I'd want to* and it
wouldn't affect my life in an adverse way at all....For example:
See? Stoney'd get pissed (not too much its a rather immature post) but it wouldn't affect me at all. Therefore people could go online and act authoritarian and have no one to tell them otherwise, or even if they did they could completely ignore them. (BTW I didnt mean anything by that Stoney I just used the random quoting as an example...you rock) ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:55
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:58
Stony likes men!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:59
That's fiction!
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 16:35
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ohh Im late for the best part!!
oh yes of course Prog Metal exists, it has existed since 1989 (i dont know, DT was born in 1989)... and btw this is probably one of the strangest thread.. whos that "guest" guy?? ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 16:40
someone claiming to be the god of prog. "eh, whatever, you can't teach God anything." --Chuck Palahniuk ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 16:42
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he said that? on which page?? hehehe ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 16:46
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Of course there's no prog metal... and no prog folk, prog electronic, or prog rock at all... It's all just rock. Actually, it's all just music. If we separate Mozart form Cannibal Corpse by a verbal classification, we commit an injustice. There must be no such segregation. In fact, we must unite all Sound. If Ultrasound, Genesis, Car Alarms, Rancid, Farts, 50 Cent, Ulking and Slayer will be included in the same genre, all these grudges will no longer make sense
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 16:48
| Jody, what happened to "ProgGod"? Was that some well established PA troll posting from a new account? |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 16:50
He was very similar to Xenoxen  So Jody "found him out" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 16:50
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3666 cds,, a true ProgGod... and he knows that theres no subgenre whatsoever... ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 17:20
Yes. ------------- |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 17:21
Xenoxen, right? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 04:36
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I rember that after the exit of THRAK by KING CRIMSON BILL BRUFORD (BILL BRUFORD... man) said: "We are the sole band to play intelligent Metal". He understood that the Crimson played a Prog such near the Metal to be assimilated... This would have to be the Prog Metal (Uhm... IS). -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 04:50
That was quite surreal, indeed.... fun, though!  BTW, of course Prog Metal exists... why shouldn't it? I'm not quite convinced of Mike's chart, though. Do you really see Rock, Prog and Metal as initially separate genres? Why do you think so? Sorry if it is the 1,000th time someone asks... |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 05:05
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Prog is not bounded by any late 60's or early 70's bands...
If it is, then it is not progressive.
Progressive music evolves, it doesnt end...
Metal ( for most of the metalheads here i suppose) is broad, deep and beautiful...
I cant see any reason why it cant also be progressive.....
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 05:05
I believe that Sub Genre were created to distinguish a band from another one. Otherwise must to say: Band A= Band B that plays like Band C but except for Band D. Nevertheless B+ C+ 50% of D= Band E. Band F+ mixed Band of everything the other= Band A!!! That it is a true slaughter!!! Better to introduce some Sub Genre that any rate is not binding. The King Crimson, in fact (and for example), produced album Symphonic, Art Rock, Canterbury, Experimental Rock and Experimental Prog Metal!!! How you see also to explain the music of a band is necessary put categories and under categories... But it is clear than all it is reduced to the stupid fusion of R&B and Country with a bulky amount of contaminatios of those that (still today for a lot of persons) picked music. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 05:23
It's difficult to put all information in one chart ... the chart only has two dimensions, and we would need at least need 3 to properly display the relations between Rock, Metal and Prog. In my chart I just wanted to show that Rock and Metal are separate genres. In a way the progressive sub genres are strongly related though ... for example Neo Prog and Neo Prog Metal, Symphonic Prog Rock and Symphonic Prog Metal, Avant-Prog Rock and Avant-Prog Metal etc. etc.. But the most important thing about Prog Metal is that it has a similar sub genre structure as Prog Rock. That fact alone strongly suggests that it would be wrong to model Prog Metal as a sub genre of Prog Rock. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 08:13
Yeah, because DT totally invented Prog-Metal.
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 08:27
are they? well im not sure, just to make sure...  ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 11:07
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Imoeng, I think thats sarcasm.... Ivan isn't fond of DT
Fates, Watchtower of Queensryche were be4 DT, btw there were probably even older band that created something called prog metal... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 12:21
Quite a few of them, actually... Though Mike may not agree on that, the development of prog-metal owes quite a bit to the likes of Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth, to name but a few. And what about Rush's first four albums, in particular "2112"? |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 12:37
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^Rush NEVER created prog metal. Although they influenced it heavily. IMO Maiden actually did it
Metallica I hate, and Megadeth are not prog at all, so it leaves Maiden.
Judas Priest had one prog-related album (Sad Wings of Destiny its called, I think...).
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 12:48
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'Scuse me, what makes you say that Megadeth are not prog and Maiden are? And of course we're talking about "Sad Wings of Destiny", not of "Painkiller"... As to Rush, I didn't say anywhere that they CREATED Prog-Metal - just that they were a big influence on both Queensryche and DT.
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 13:09
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Yes, they were. You can hear it especially in the instrumental sections (YYZ etc.).
I just can't hear anything prog in Mustaine's band. They aren't that complex, fairly simple song structures etc... A great metal band though
 And Maiden songs on the other hand had lots of complex, interestingly structured compositions, with an epic feel and, in lots of cases, conceptual themes. The whole Album 7th Son of a 7th Son is a concept album, and I think its the 1st 100% neo prog metal album around ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 13:18
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^ You're saying that Maiden is more complex than Megadeth? Duh.
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 13:20
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Are you disapproving or was it that obvious? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 13:23
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I'm disapproving.
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 21 2006 at 15:59
Megadeth wasn't a band with cool unison instrumental sections, but the songs are anything but amaetur. Megadeth is actually one of the few metal bands which I believe had perfect balance of skill between each single member. -------------
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Posted By: Legoman
Date Posted: June 22 2006 at 02:13
| I think our sight should document more specific sub-genres. For instance... there is a huge damn difference between Opeth and Rhapsody. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 22 2006 at 03:08
Have a look at the new planned subcategories for prog metal: http://www.ratingfreak.com/go/mer/s,showPage,9_q1klWYtB,cxW0_xC1mxqZ6JrYc_a2_NrLkJr0bxV0_RXYgxp1pJqZ_ta1_NH,4Fa0jtW3hxW2nB,8xa0nVX0_JH,nB,_tG.xhtml - Prog MEtal Categories ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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