Are ELP better than Yes?
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Topic: Are ELP better than Yes?
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Subject: Are ELP better than Yes?
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 04:47
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ANSWER NOW!!!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Emperor
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 04:53
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To my opinion, Yes is much more influentive, original and thoughtful band than ELP, which I even consider as not "Elite" of Progressive. Well, ELP has prpduced several very good albums (70-73, 86), but (IMHO) they were very far from the Great works by Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis, VDGG and some other bands of that period. ELP were good technicians and pompous melodists, but it's not enough to be The Grang of Progressive. ------------- I Prophesy Disaster... |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 04:55
Too different to compare for me. I must abstain on this matter.  ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 05:00
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Yes were a far more important band of the same era....Thus Yes far superia to ELP.....IMHO ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 05:04
| I like ELP and all, but for me they're not even in the same league as Yes. |
Posted By: Emperor
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 05:16
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That's just I also wanted to say! :-) We can compare these two bands with well-known football clubs. So Yes would be like Milan, Real, Bayern Munich of MU, but ELP would be like Parma, Zaragoza, Verder Bremen or Blackburn - with some rare bright flashes in history, but not so stable or legendary ;-) ------------- I Prophesy Disaster... |
goose wrote:Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 05:17
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Hey, Fudge.Pack it in!
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 05:24
| Nice were influential, ELP was the supergroup that evolved from it (and other prog bands). There are a number of bands that are clealry Nice derived, e.g. Refugee ( perhaps by default rather than anything else), Collegium Musicum and many others of the Hammond based groups of the early 70's. |
Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 06:26
| We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart? |
Posted By: headboy
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 06:43
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i'm with sigod on this...can't really compare these two but i prefer The Nice to ELP --------------------------- we are the knights who say nih! |
Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 06:48
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To be honest, I dont think its fair to compare since its two diferent concepts. Yes had this more elaborate concept concerning lyrics-complex music melted into a more classic harmonic structure. ELP with fewer musicians had a more jazz approach inspite of a very heavy classical iinfluence. ELP's harmonic structure is a bit simple but the performing was done with far more passion. There are days when you want to listen to Yes, and other days you'll prefer ELP, all according to your mood. Thus the Yes or ELP is unfair, the correct answer is BOTH... Have a Great Christmas all, and lets pray for the soon return of Velvetclown, as his snapps hangover must have subsided.... _________ Lunar ------------- Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . . |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 07:16
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Coming soon -
What's best? Cheese or Coffee? Blue or Red?  ------------- 
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Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 07:17
Blue Coffee, please 
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 07:20
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Cheese Obviously and A 75% of mancunians will say RED obviously !!!! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 07:48
But is Blue Coffee prog? -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 07:57
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I'm so with you on this!! ELP is my favorite band.. .ever!! But I love Yes also. There is no comparison, but I would want to hear and see ELP live mor than any other band... They were just 3 musicians... 3 musicians that could make all that energy and talent come alive... TRUE GENIUS, I tell ya!! ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 08:23
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This is a truly disadvantaged question as Yes have always been the best band in the business(I'm speaking of the great era 69' to 79') As much as I loved ELP's first three albums there 1st being my favourite; they cannot hope to be compared to the collective brilliance of Anderson, Bruford, Howe, Squire and Wakeman.(and others Alan White etc) That said 'Knife edge' holds great memories for me from schooldays playing it on a juke box in Blankenburg Belgium in 1971 with everyone singing at the top of their voices. |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 08:26
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90% of prog fans (voted thus far) have rightly that Yes are BETTER than ELP, i think this is possibly right - ELP had some high points (Tarkus and PAAE and BSS) but these are seen and raised by the Yes-meisters...... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 09:16
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But is Blue Coffee prog? Perhaps not, but Red Cheese surely is. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 09:18
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I haven't voted that Yes are better than ELP, I've voted that ELP are not better than Yes - that is a completely different statement. As others have stated, you may as well compare orange juice to cake. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 09:44
DJ: LOL! threefates: I agree! I'm not at all an ELP fan, but everytime I hear the band recorded live I am amazed at how 'big' they sound for just three guys- especially in the days before automation, sequencing and pre-produced backing tracks. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 09:52
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Of course not! Define "better," please.
Is egg nog better than ginger ale? Rice better than potatoes? Depends on my mood! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 10:07
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Or even apples and oranges. Is that 'Mood For A Day', Peter?
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:18
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Every thread on this forum is based on a point of view, thus in that context we are determining those of us in the Yes corner V's those in the ELP corner (Obviously sat in TF's lap)....My preference is "Yes" because they have been my favourite band for long periods, whereas ELP have only been as high as No 3 or 4 in my pecking order....Simple is it, Skywalker !!! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Wrath_of_Ninian
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:29
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Lets put it another way: WHICH IS WORSE: Love Beach or Owner Of A Lonely Heart?
PFM wipe the floor with the pair of them.... |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:32
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Love Beach atleast had a side that was a prog concept piece. I don't think Owner of a Lonely Heart had a track over 4 mintues did it??.... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:32
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I have only heard "Live in America" and Celebration is a marvellous track but I can't see them as a top-tier prog band contender, and Love beach is definately worse !!! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:36
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Your right, all these opinions are based on point of view... and ELP are not your everyday easy to take rock band... nor did they want to be. Yes were a little more digestable... even with the untranslatable lyrics... it was just mellower music. To me Yes was more "Wuss" music... altho sometimes that was just appropriate for a situation.... Thats why I preferred ELP most time. I guess I'm just a woman that prefers my prog edgy and hard.... Sort of how I like my men!!! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:36
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I cannot concur with your "Mellower" premise - Gates of delerium middle section and most of Howes solos are wonderfully "power/clanky" - Wuss music is Nat King Cole/Ratpack...... in my opinion !!!! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:37
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Hmm, that's kind of a scary thought. I guess if I was gay I'd rather have a Yes man than an ELP man. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:37
Nope anything with Jon Anderson's voice was mellow... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:38
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Your so right... That would make you gay ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:45
Not that I'm saying there's anything intrinsically gay about Yes...I'm a much bigger fan of Yes than ELP...just that if I were looking for a gay partner, I'd rather...ah, never mind, I don't think there's any way this train of thought could end well. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: Wrath_of_Ninian
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:47
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Agreed - I actually have a soft spot for Owner Of A LH as it reminds me of my school days. We used to laugh at the 'orchestra' hits even then. Though the Rabin chord solo in the middle is really good - especially when the drums come back in....WHAT AM I SAYING????? Enough. Sorry Swinton, I dont really want to drag PFM into this feisty scrap, safe to say that your experience of them is EXTREMELY limited. Their studio albums are eminently superior to the live stuff, which often suffered from poor sound, excessive jamming, and a tendency to improvise rather than play album tracks. I have nearly every bootleg made during the 1970s (some of which are better quality than Live In The USA) and can testify to this. Storia Di Un Minuto , Per Un Amico, L'Isola Di Niente, and Chocolate Kings are by some stretch, their finest studio works, and are MUST-HAVES for fans of the two aforementioned prog behemoths. There are several PFM downloads on this site (4 I think), but I cant remember what they are - pretty sure its all studio stuff though. Merry Xmas |
Posted By: Petra
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:48
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Oooh I can't really vote I only have one Yes album and one ELP album both are good but not good enough to make me want to buy any other albums of theirs though... ------------- Don't hate me I'm not special like you |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:57
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And another thing... Yes changed members over the years quite often... from Tony Kaye to Rick Wakeman to Patrick Moraz to Geoff Downes to Rick Wakeman; from Bill Bruford to Alan White; from Peter Banks to Steve Howe to Trevor Rabin to Steve Howe; to...etc, etc.... ELP was just always... ELP (ELPowell...different name...just the same logo) ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 12:35
I think I know what you mean here. I remember back in the 70's Yes was much more appreciated by women than ELP. (You are an exception to the rule.) It was "pretty" music in a sense compared to what ELP was doing. I always preferred ELP to Yes as far as the intensity of the music went even to this day. It doesn't mean I don't appreciate Yes or what they did it is just my preference. I do agree comparing bands is stupid and pointless as to who is better because it comes down to one statement "In My Opinion" and that being the scales of judgment can deliver no true statement except to ones self. ------------- 
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 12:56
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It is impossible to compare the two bands. It is almost like comparing apples to viscosity...it can't be done. |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 12:56
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let us compare oranges with oranges. elp and yes are the rare bands who have some overall less performant cousins: triumvirat and starcastle. elp > triumvirat and yes > starcastle BUT, triumvirat - spartacus > any ELP record!
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Posted By: plodder
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 12:56
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Yes ELP are better.  |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 13:31
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I'm getting Spartacus for Chrimble....I hope it lives up to the Hype !!!! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 13:41
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Well, if we're going start comparing ELP and TRIUMVIRAT, I'd say that "Spartacus", whilst an excellent album (love those synths), is not as good as ELP's finest. However, "Illusions On A Double Dimple" *is* as good as ELP's finest, both from the musical point of view - melody, complexity, orchestration, backing - and from the point of view of concept and lyrical content. OK, Hans Paps' German accent is sometimes a little bit too evident in his singing in English, but that's only a minor quibble. A Prog Rock masterpiece, in my opinion.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 13:42
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------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Tis quite good, and the band is top-notch (especially the keys & drums) but you'll have to get past the fact that Triumvirat are HIGHLY ELP-derivitive. (Those who maintain otherwise are deluding themselves, IMO.)Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 13:42
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 13:56
Geez, I thought Spartacus was just horrible... it was like watered down ELP.. ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Jim Prog Wizard
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 14:04
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ELP are superb for the most part, but still don't touch Yes. ------------- "Progressive Rock is the ultimate form of music" (Mikael Akerfeldt, 2003) |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 14:05
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I saw Triumvirat in 1975 with Fleetwood Mac(pre Stevie Nicks) and Jefferson Starship (Pre- crappy pop verison). They played about a 45 minute set and I was unimpressed. They had all the tech parts of ELP with none of the passion. I heard Spartacus later and I agree with 3 Fates. I think that Jürgen FRITZ copied Emerson right down to the leather pants. -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 14:09
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ELP without a doubt is lightyears ahead of Yes! I have some old crusty underwear I like better than Yes. |
Posted By: benny bouncer
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 17:03
| Well, i like both bands because they are in complete contrast to each other...Both are inventive....but ELP are the fast loud group....and Yes are the 'mature' slower rock....they are both different. I love ELP because each note keeps you interested...some of Yes i feel isn't that brilliant but majority is fantastic....at the moment, i listen to more Yes than ELP...but ELP overall are the best |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 17:41
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Hard to say for me, I consider both of them intermediate prog bands which I both like to listen to. But I don't really get why you guys all love them, especially Yes.... I'd really like to get into it and i love songs like "close to the edge", but it's just more boring than most of my other favourite stuff ..... What am I doing wrong??? What albums should i get??? btw, I don't know which one's better.... |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 18:21
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Bebe.. if you want to see a little of what ELP looked like when I first fell in love with them... go here http://www.greglake.com/forum/theater.asp - http://www.greglake.com/forum/theater.asp and click on the first one (Pictures at an Exhibition) and the 4th one down (Take a Pebble).. and the next one from the bottom (The Sage from PAAE) ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 18:23
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BebieM, If you want to get to know ELP, bearing in mind your current avatar I'd recommend starting with "Trilogy" - see the reviews here: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1871 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=1871 And then, if you like that and want to experience their harder edge, try "Brain Salad Surgery" - see the reviews here: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=1872 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=1872
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 18:58
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alright, thanks, you guys! I'll try those albums.... Any suggestion for A YES album? what would be the one I can get into easily? |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 19:27
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I like them in this order
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Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 22:02
| what about going for the one! whats qrong with you 3fates! |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 22:25
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I listed them in order as I like them.. and as easy digestable... its not like I started with Tormato... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 22:40
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BebieM
Go for the gusto, did I lead you wrong on Clearlight - Symphony? ELP - Brain Salad Surgery or Very Best of is a good place to start. YES - Relayer or 90125 The young bull and the old bull stood on the hill overlooking the herd. The young bull said" Hurry! hurry! lets run down there and get us one! The old bull replied " Lets walk down there and have 'em all !!! |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 23:04
The Yes Album and Fragile probably have the best balance between accessibility and quality. If you like those, move on to Relayer and Close to the Edge. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 23:10
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Actually the best place to start is always at the beginning. The ability to chart a band's growth and see their progression thru the years in some ways defines who they are. ELP's first album is quite remarkable if not exactly an easy place to start. Of course the 3 fates in on that album... When I first heard it, the church organ sound was very harsh to me... but that second fate... is just the most beautiful piano piece ever written.. and now I find I really love the first fate... couldn't live without it. Of course Lucky Man is on that album also... and anyone getting into ELP should start with Lucky Man.... Sort of same with Yes... altho I don't like Time and A Word... starting from "The Yes Album" and working your way thru their catalog from there... would be the appropriate way to do it, I think! I certainly would never start to get to know Yes.. by 90125... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: dropForge
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 23:20
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Of course not. I'd suggest Fragile, Close To The Edge, Relayer, or even Drama, which is an ass-kicker. I dunno about telling people to start at the very beginning. That can be frightening, considering some groups (like Tangerine Dream). With ELP I'd much rather suggest Brain Salad Surgery. It's my favorite album of theirs, too. Hell, the ELPowell one, even. And I'd tell them to stay far away from that 3 crud (hey, Linda, that's Emerson & Palmer without the 'L'!) or In The (Not) Hot Seat.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 00:17
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I don't dare to say that, but surely I like Brain Salad Surgery and Trilogy more than any Yes album, mainly because I'm not a fan of Jon Andersons voice. I never cared about the number of musicians a band had or how many members were replaced only about music and those two albums are in a superb level. Iván |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 06:54
I hate that record with a vengeance.Horrible watered down version of ELP.Triumvirate were the 'fake ELP'.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 06:55
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Like the Lady said |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 07:02
| Ivan, not a fan of Jon's voice!! then you won't prefer Yes.Anderson has the best voice in rock and coincidentally sings with the the best band in rock.Haven't heard the washed down bands you mention above, but I''ll take your collected words on that.I'm not a big fan of tribute bands either. |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 07:17
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"ooooooooohhhh" - (Pretends to lift a handbag with two hands in front of chest). Ladies....... Now then, ELP are a fine progressive rock outfit, with Tarkus and Some parts of Karn Evil - Reaching the top-level of prog.... BUT - YES & GENESIS - hit those heights with far more material - thus they are superior in quality output - That argument is irrefutable FACT.....
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 07:18
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So the question is are ELP better than Yes? Now can I take this to be that we are comparing their back catologues etc and not just where they are now as bands which obviously would be a dull question as ELP don't exist in this present moment of time. Anyway back catologues.If we are comparing ELP to Yes then I think it is only fair to compare the bands in their heyday.For Yes that must be the Bruford,Anderson,Squire,Wakeman and Howe line up versus ELP (1972-1973).I think it's actually a tough call.Close To The Edge may well be the perfect 'prog masterpeice' but Brain Salad Surgery is the most inpspired and original IMO.Both great achievments.Neither Fragile and Trilogy are perfect albums.Both are a little disjointed although Fragile has the classic tracks 'Roundabout',South Side Of The Sky' and 'Heart Of The Sunrise'.The peaks on Fragile are higher than on Trilogy which has 'The Endless Enigma' but nothing else that competes with the best of Fragile.I can't help but feel that overall those 2 Yes albums are superior to the 2 ELP ones by a whisker. So what about as live bands? Well I never saw either band live in their heydays so can't really vouch for whether one was better than the other.Howver ELP did pioneer a number of new things within the live arena and put on something of a show to say the least.ELP recorded one of the best live albums of all time 'Pictures at an Exhibition' which well illiustrates their capabilities.The audience are going mad! As for Yes 'Yes Songs' is oft reckoned to be one of the best live albums BUT what you get is faithfull (but not improved) versions of studio tracks.I don't hear a lot of improvisation.I feel that Yes were really trying to hang onto the coat tails of ELP as a live band.ELP were better in the live arena IMO. So looking at the 2 main criteria I'm not sure that I can make a case for ELP being better.It's about a draw.ELP were more exciting as a live band but Yes were a little more creative in the studio. |
Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 07:31
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This is a very silly thread. ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 08:49
Putting ELP & Yes aside....GENESIS WITH MORE QUALITY OUTPUT??? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND ??? Genesis' only qualilty output was with Gabriel.. and theres more quality ELP than that... Now regarding Yes... I like Jon Anderson's voice... heck one of my favorite albums is Olias of Sunhillow... but in no way does his voice compare to Greg's. Greg had the purest sounding, most English voice I've ever heard. It was downright angelic up till 86... then it became forceful, romantic... and the voice of a fallen angel.. I know that you think I'm biased when it comes to Greg. But I swear, long before I met him... his voice could make me quiver... no one else could do that. ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 11:37
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I agree with Threefates about the quality of Greg's voice, even when I prefer Peter Gabriel, but that's only personal taste. Many people like me don't like the high pitched vocals of Jon, but again that's only taste. But disagree about the quantity of quality albums, Yes has more superb albums than ELP (in number) and Genesis also. let's see: Genesis: Trespass, NC, Foxtrot, Live, SEBTP, The Lamb, ATOTT and W&W, that makes 8 superb albums. I'm a fan of early Genesis and believe they were the best prog' band, but again that's an opinion only. ELP: ELP, Pictures, Tarkus, BSS and Trilogy, that makes 5 albums, there are a couple of very good ELP albums, but not in the spectacular level of the previously mentionsd. Iván |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 12:00
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Talk about splitting hairs on the old forum.One sure way to have us all falling out or disagreeing or nearly agreeing or being almost confused is to have us split or pick our faves.Quantity doesn't outway quality.But back to Jon surely his is the clearest, purest emotional voice in rock and is everlasting.But like this thread we coulld argue all week about it.At least it is something well worth disagreeing on unlike other threads involving you know who??????????? My pet hate PC A very merry, peaceful, holy Christmas to all on here. Felices Navidades. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 12:16
But the way I see it, Works 1, Black Moon and even Love Beach and Works 2 was better than Genesis' W&W... so I can't agree with you there... And to Fragile... You found Jon Anderson's voice clear?? I was so glad when they started to print the words on the album insert.. cause I could never make out what he was singing.. and its not like his lyrics followed a logical path, which made them even harder to figure out... Then on CTTE.. they printed them in such a strange font.. i was still having a hard time figuring them out.. Sorry I don't find Jon Anderson's voice clear at all.. Now with Greg.. I can literally hear every word he sings perfectly....
But you have a very happy one also, Frag!!! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 12:25
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You too Three Fates, I' ve got some ear wax remover for you
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Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 12:31
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Are ELP better than Yes? If you vote YES you are not voting for YES? If you vote NO you are voting for YES? ELP for me anyway |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 12:37
| eh no Richard. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 13:00
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Thanks but I don't have an ear wax problem... I play a little Pink Floyd everyday... clears that problem right up... few screams from Roger.. and its all better... You should try it!! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 13:20
| What kind of stupid question is that? |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 13:23
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There is definitely something faintly ridiculous about ELP.I much prefer Yes. However there is a "love of playing" in their music which very few bands can match.The keyboards are awesome and Emerson lets rip in a way that I just wish Mr wakeman would emulate more often. Hoedown, Fanfare & Nutrocker are incredibly bombastic tracks, and I love them for that very reason.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 13:42
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When a friend asked me to describe Progressive Rock I gave him a list of songs, but the first one (Not necessarily my favorite, but very close to be) was Trilogy (The song). This beautiful track has everything that a progressive track must have, excellent keyboards, abrupt changes, killer bass and drums, slow passages that connect to musical explosions. In other word, it describes the genre in a few minutes. But still Genesis is my favorite band and I prefer W&W over Works 1 and of course over the weak Works II, not to mention Love Beach. Wind & Wuthering is even better IMO than A Trick of the Tail. Iván I corrected the text by suggestion of Reed Lover, I read what it seemed I was saying and almost fell from my seat, |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 13:46
Phew,for one minute there Ivan I thought you were saying that Love beach was BETTER than A Trick Of The Tail.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 14:30
Actually I've always thought that about Yes! Dimunitive lead vocalist who does a decent impression of a pixie, a keyboard player who loves wearing a cape... and don't even get me started on Mr Squire
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 16:33
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So true Richard... atleast Greg never wore a suit that looked like this...
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Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: December 24 2004 at 18:18
| heheh yes and elp are my favorite bands, both i love. they are both the pinnicle of prog. |
Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 01:32
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Yes are so superior to most prog bands (in terms of musicianship and
quality of their material), it's not even a fair comparison. In my humble opinion, Yes are to prog what the Beatles are to pop. |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 04:49
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Thanks for the Christmas day pic Three Fates of two of the best musicians in the business who are are members of the greatest band in the history of the world.Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee thanks again Yes rules have a great day
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 05:08
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I don't care what Mr Squire wears..It's his bass playing that interests me and it's obvious that Greg Lake DREAMED of playing a bass guitar like Mr Squire !!!! As I always tell my kids "Judge ye a man by his actions not his CLOTHES!" !!! Sermon over almost time to get tut Motherin laws for a Christmas day blow-out of gargantuan proportions. Happy xmas y'aaaallllll................ ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 10:14
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Its funny but did you know that Chris Squire and Greg Lake were roommates in the last 60s.... NOW IF WERE TALKING JUST GREG.....!!! Greg was no slouch on bass... anyone that could keep up with and be heard above Keith Emerson is a genius in my book...and his work with KC was just exceptional for someone who only took up bass a few months before...Greg played all guitars on every ELP album... Lead, acoustic and bass... I don't remember Chris Squire ever doing that....Greg also wrote all the lyrics...something else I don't remember Chris Squire doing a lot of... and also Greg produced the first 5 and best ELP albums.... So add genius producer to his credits.... Greg was a founding member of King Crimson... without his voice on that album... it wouldn't have been the same...Bob Fripp always knew that... thats why he had such a terrible time replacing him... Thats why he and Keith Emerson both refer to Greg as "The Voice". And as I've mentioned before... there's not a voice in the business - prog or not - that could match Greg Lake's voice. And another thing.... Greg Lake was absolutely gorgeous... Chris Squire couldn't say that either.... I JUST LOVE SERMONING ABOUT GREG.... MY FAVORITE SUBJECT !!! However, did I ever tell you that I spent some quality time on the road with Alan White on Yes' TFTO/Relayer Tour?? ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 11:44
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Chris squire has one of the biggest hands in the music history! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: headboy
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 12:24
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what, only one!?
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 12:57
...one of the biggest pair of hands... ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 13:28
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Well as I recall... Chris Squire is no little guy.. around 6'4 I think... And well Greg is just bigger were it really counts... (Sorry, couldn't resist) ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 15:04
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I'm not interested in mens dimensions, At 194 cms and weighing in at 95Kg I'm not exactly small myself and I have never had any complaints from the fairer sex! However - Triumvirat - Spartacus - I was VERY impressed (listened whilst Emmerdale/Corrie was on the tele, so the wife was happy). And any ELP fanatic should surely approve of this music - it's as good as anything that ELP did (That I have heard). Yeah it's very derivative - but It's another prog album in my collection and it's good on first listening (Always a good sign) Now it's time to watch King Arthur with my bin lids !!! See Yawall ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 17:59
| Yes is better than ELP |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 19:19
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Yes wishes they were better than ELP ! Actually most bands wish they were better than ELP... its just not possible! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 19:40
Sigh -------------
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 25 2004 at 20:36
Oh Reed, ELpism is sort of like Buddhism... its not just a religion... its a way of life! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Captain Squib
Date Posted: June 25 2005 at 14:03
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I prefer Yes. ------------- He who stands on toilet must be high on pot! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 25 2005 at 14:32
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God, why did you drag this thread out of the Dark Ages? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: drumsandbass
Date Posted: June 25 2005 at 21:51
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no doubt about it. Yes is by far the better band. If it was between
keyboarders then it would be a much more difficult poll. 
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 02:02
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Yes has many more great albums this is how I look at it, both equally great bands, but one kills the other in terms of great albums: ELP has:
Yes has:
ok its closer than I thought, yes wins 8-5.5 IMO
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 10:00
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This was great at Christmas time and the answer then as it is now is that Yes was,is, are and always will be better than ELP Now where is 3 Fates? on her ELP prayer mat
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