Rank your Genesis Albums...
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Topic: Rank your Genesis Albums...
Posted By: The T
Subject: Rank your Genesis Albums...
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 22:54
Just want to know how people here would rank Genesis' albums, and I want to see if tastes differ from the "norm" as much as mine do. I don't include the very first and the very last because they are special, and I have to say, though I own them, I haven't heard the three last ones yet....
My rank:
1. Foxtrot
2. Selling England by the Pound
3. A trick of the tail
4. And then there were three
5. The lamb lies down on Broadway
6. Wind and Wuthering
7. Duke
8. Nursery Cryme
9. Abacab
10. Tresspass
11. (invisible touch, genesis, we can't dance - not heard yet)
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 23:03
Foxtrot
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Nursery Cryme
Trespass
Selling England by the Pound
Wind and Wuthering
A Trick of the Tail
And Then There Were Three
From Genesis to Revelation
Duke
Abacab
Genesis
The list stops there, because those are the only ones worth listing.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 23:06
Foxtrot(my favorite album ever)          Nyrsety Cryme     Trespass     SEBTP     A Trick Of The Tail    The Lamb    Wind And Wuthering  .5 FGTR   Duke  Shapes Invisible Touch
Haven't heard the rest and don't really want to.
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 23:57
Selling England Foxtrot The Lamb Nursery Cryme Wind and the Wuthering Trick of the Tail Tresspass .... The rest
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Posted By: Solids2k
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 00:04
Foxtrot
Selling England By The Pound
A Trick of the Tail
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Nursery Cryme
Duke
Trespass
Wind And Wuthering
Genesis
Abacab
And Then There Were Three
Invisible Touch
We Can't Dance
From Genesis To Revelation
Calling All Stations
Wow, this was tougher than I thought.
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Posted By: polyrythmic
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 00:12
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Selling England By The Pound
Foxtrot
Wind And Wuthering
Nursery Cryme
A Trick of the Tail
Duke
And Then There Were Three
The Genesis albums in order that I own.
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Posted By: Bastille Dude
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 00:28
This is tough, But I'll give it a shot.
Selling England Nursery Cryme Foxtrot Lamb Trespass Live ATOTT Wind And Wuthering Duke Genesis Abacab And Then There Were Three Invisible Touch From Genesis To Revelation Seconds Out Three Sides Live We Can't Dance
#3 thru #6 are actually interchangeable, #1 and #2 is not.
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Posted By: ryba
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 02:38
trespass
wind and wuthering
selling...
duke
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Posted By: krapulax
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 02:43
1. foxtrot, nursery, wind & wuthering 2. selling england, the lamb 3. trespass, trick, duke, then there were 3 4. abacab, from genesis.. 5. the others
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Posted By: N Ellingworth
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 02:44
1) SEBTP 2) Nursery Cryme 3) Foxtrot 4) The Lamb...
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 02:45
1. Nursery Cryme
2. Foxtrot
3. Trespass
4. Selling England
5. Trick of The Tail
6. We Can't Dance
7. Invisible touch
8. The Lamb Lies Down
9. From Genesis to revelation
can't remember the other albums very well.
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 03:11
1.Selling England By the Pound 2.Trick of the Tail 3.Wind and Wuthering 4. Foxtrot 5. And Then There Were Three 6. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 7. Duke 8. Trespass 9. Genesis 10. Abacab 11. Invisible Touch 12. Calling All Stations 13. We Can't Dance 14. Nursery Cryme(Great Songs, Horrible Production)
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 04:05
1 - A Trick of the Tail
2 - The Lamb Lies down on Broadway
3 - Foxtrot
4 - Wind & Wuthering
5 - SEBTP
6 - Trespass
7 - And then there were three
8 - Nursery Cryme
9 - Duke
10 - Genesis
11 - Abacab
12 - We Cant Dance
13 Invisible Touch
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Posted By: theBox
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 04:45
1.Foxtrot
2.Selling England....
3.Nursery Cryme
4.A Trick of the Tail
5.Wind and Wuthering
6.The lamb Lies Down on Broadway
7.Tresspass
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 04:47
Foxtrot
Selling
Nursery
WaW
ATotT
Trespass
Lamb
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 04:59
let's do it again...
without any lives
1. Foxtrot
2. Selling England By The Pound
3. Trespass
4. Nursery Cryme
5. A Trick Of The Tail
6. Wind &Wuthering
7. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
8. Duke
9. From Genesis To Revelation
10. Invisible Touch
11. ...and then there were three
12. We Can't Dance
13. Genesis
14. Abacab
15. ...Calling All Stations...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 05:10
Lamb
Selling
Foxtrot
Trick
Nursery
Abacab
Trespass
Three Sides Live
Wind
Don't much care for 'Live' or 'And Then..' Can't stand 'Duke'.
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 05:27
Selling England By The Pound 5/5
A Trick Of The Tail 5/5
Nursery Cryme 5/5
Foxtrot 5/5
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 5/5
Trespass 4/5
Wind and Wuthering 4/5
And Then There Were Three 4/5
Duke 4/5
We Can't Dance 3/5
From Genesis To Revelation 2.5/5
The others are way down...
Genesis 2.5/5
Abacab 2.5/5
Invisible Touch 2.5/5
Calling All Stations (the one true duffer) 1.5/5
As for live albums:
Seconds Out 5/5
Live 3/5
Three Sides Live 3/5
TWWW- The Longs 3/5
TWWW- The Shorts 2/5
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Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 05:34
Foxtrot
The Lamb
Selling England
Nursery Cryme
Trespass
W&W
Trick
Duke
ATTWT
Genesis
FGTR
Abacab
IT (scared me off for good. Never tried WCD or CAS after this)
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Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 07:16
Studio albums:
- The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (5/5)
- Foxtrot (5/5)
- Selling England by the Pound (5/5)
- A Trick of the Tail (5/5)
- Nursery Cryme (4.5/5)
- Duke (4.5/5)
- Genesis (4+/5)
- Trespass (4+/5)
- Wind and Wuthering (4/5)
- Abacab (4/5)
- And Then There Were Three (4/5)
- Invisible Touch (4/5)
- Calling all Stations (4-/5)
- From Genesis to Revelation (3.5/5)
- We Can't Dance (3.5/5)
Live albums:
- The Way We Walk vol.2 - The Longs (4.5/5)
- Genesis Live (4.5/5)
- Seconds Out (4.5/5)
- Three Sides Live (4.5/5)
- The Way We Walk vol.1 - The Shorts (not yet heard)
Box sets:
- Archive '67-'75 (5/5)
- Archive # 2 (4+/5)
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 07:28
Foxtrot 5/5
The Lamb 5/5
Selling England 5/5
A Trick of the Tail 4/5
Nursery Cryme 4/5
Trespass 4/5
W&W 3/5
That's it.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 07:31
Foxtrot
Nursery Cryme
Trespass
Selling England By The Pound
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Genesis Live (1st)
Wind And Wuthering
A Trick of the Tail
Abacab
Calling All Stations
We Can't Dance
Invisible Touch
Genesis
Duke
From Genesis To Revelation
And Then There Were Three
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Posted By: Liquid Len
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 07:51
1 SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND
2 LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY (THE)
3 FOXTROT
4 NURSERY CRYME
5 TRESPASS
6 ARCHIVES 1969 - 1975
7 LIVE
8 A TRICK OF THE TAIL
9 SECONDS OUT
10 FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION
11 AND THEN THERE WERE THREE
12 THREE SIDES LIVE
13 WIND AND WUTHERING
14 DUKE
15 LIVE THE WAY WE WALK…………VOLUME 2………THE LONGS
16 WE CAN'T DANCE
17 ARCHIVES 1976 - 1992
18 ABACAB
19 GENESIS
20 INVISIBLE TOUCH
21 LIVE THE WAY WE WALK…………VOLUME 1………THE SHORTS
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 08:13
Notice the names of the users who responded to this thread... theBox, salmacis, Sir Hogweed, Liquid Len... 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 08:20
Not a Genesis fan by any means, but I quite like those albums I own...
SEbtP - 5/5 AToT - 4/5 W&W - 4.5/5 Seconds Out - 4/5
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 08:42
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 08:43
1. Nursery Cryme
2. Foxtrot
3. Selling England by the Pound
4. A Trick of the Tail
5. Trespass
6. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
7. Wind and Wuthering
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 08:43
Ghost Rider wrote:
Not a Genesis fan by any means, but I quite like those albums I own...
SEbtP - 5/5 AToT - 4/5 W&W - 4.5/5 Seconds Out - 4/5
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Well if you own only that and that's your purest impression, you're pretty much a...don't gasp...Genesis fan.  (fan = you appreciate Genesis pretty well)
(though an almost Collins Genesis fan  )
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 08:56
foxtrot nursery cryme selling england (the genesis live album I haven't bought yet but I'm sure is better than lamb) lamb being kicked in the ear all other genesis studio albums
Unapologetic about this harsh rating. I don't waste my time with subpar material from excellent bands. Of course, those three albums are glorious and I'll never tire of them.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 09:04
Ghost Rider wrote:
Not a Genesis fan by any means, but I quite like those albums I own...SEbtP - 5/5AToT - 4/5W&W - 4.5/5Seconds Out - 4/5
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they're good ones...if you own more than one album you're a fan!
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 09:07
Yes... Only a Genesis fan would give SEBTP 5 out of 5.
Why OpethG, Rico?
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 09:10
because Opeth has a special grunge for Genesis.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 09:16
Trickster F. wrote:
Yes... Only a Genesis fan would give SEBTP 5 out of 5.
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Ivan, if you check my SEbtP review, you'll see I call it a 'flawed masterpiece'. I know very well it's far from perfect, but - unlike the probably superior "Foxtrot" - it really does something for me, and has been for years one of my favourite prog albums. Strange indeed, as I've never really been a fan of the band - especially not in the Italian sense, since here there are people who literally worship Genesis and all its members.
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 09:23
I think SEBTP has only one flaw- More Fool Me. It's not even THAT bad either, but it's weak compared to the rest. I love the rest- yes, even The Battle Of Epping Forest. Before I came here I had no idea it wasn't too popular, and I loved it as much as most anything else there. Tony Banks incidentally considers 'After The Ordeal' to be the worst thing they ever recorded. I could think of at least 10 worse songs, and I love After The Ordeal too- gorgeous music on that.
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 09:38
Posted By: TerLJack
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 09:53
1. Foxtrot - best album ever 2. Nursery Cryme 3. Lamb 4. Selling England 5. Duke - a new sound!
6. Trick of the Tail - more accessible than the Gabriel albums, yet the same style 7. Trespass - severly underated
8. Genesis 9. Three Sides Live - the studio cuts here warrant its inclusion though live albums were not listed 10. Wind And Wuthering - "One for the Vine" is one of my favorite songs
11. And Then There Were Three 12. Abacab
13. Invisible Touch 14. We Can't Dance
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Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 09:57
This is an easy one!
1. The Lamb
2. Trick of the Tail
3. Nursery Cryme
4. Wind and Wuthering
5. And Then There Were Three
6. Foxtrot
7. Trespass
8. Selling England
9. Seconds Out
10. Duke
11. Genesis Live
12. Genesis (shapes)
13. Invisible Touch
14. From Genesis to Revelation
15. Abacab
16. We Can't Dance (don't have it, but the title track...ugh)
Honourable Mention: Archive 1
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Posted By: Father Tiresias
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 10:03
1. Selling England By The Pound 2. Wind And Wuthering 3.Trespass 4. Foxtrot 5. A trick Of The Tail 6. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 7. Nursery Cryme 8. And Then There Were Three 9. Duke 10. We Can't Dance 11. From Genesis To revelation 12. Abacab 13. Invisible Touch 14. Calling All Stations 15. Genesis
That's a wrap!
-Peace
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 10:16
TerLJack wrote:
7. Trespass - severly underated
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severly underrated, but it's number 7, last from the Genesis classics to you as well.  
even Duke's better!  
that's pretty much the level of "underrated". 
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Posted By: White Shadow
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 10:33
Selliing England A+
Foxtrot A+
Nursery Cryme A+
Lamb A+
Trick A+
Wind and Wuthering A+
Trespass A
Live A
Seconds Out A
...And Then There Were Three... A-
Duke A-
Three Sides Live A-
Abacab B
The Way We Walk the Longs B
From Genesis to Revelation B-
Mama Album/Shapes Album/Genesis C
We Cant Dance C-
Invisible Touch D
The Way WE Walk the Shorts F
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 11:17
Selling England
Wind and Wuthering
Archives I (for The Lamb & Suppers Ready alone)
Duke
Trick of the Tail
The Lamb Lies Down
Seconds Out
Three Sides Live
Foxtrot
Nursery Cryme
And that's all I've got to say about that....
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Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 11:42
A very difficult one this. As my favourite band, the order changes all the time (except for my number one, which is always the same), and the list I give now is in no way set in stone.
For today though:
1) The Lamb (fave album of all time)
2) Nursery Cryme
3) A Trick Of The Tail
4) Selling England By The Pound
5) Foxtrot
6) Trespass
7) Wind And Wuthering
8) Duke
9) And Then There Were Three
And the rest - nowhere! 
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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 13:09
Tough one for me...
1. Foxtrot
And that's my list of all of their albums I have....
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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 13:28
Selling England By The Pound 5/5
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 4.6/5
Foxtrot 4.5/5
Nursery Cryme 4.2/5
A Trick Of The Tail 4.1/5
Trespass 3.7/5
Wind and Wuthering 2.9/5
And Then There Were Three 2.8/5
Genesis 2.2/5
We Can't Dance 2.1/5
Duke 1.6/5
Abacab 1.5/5
From Genesis To Revelation 1.4/5
Invisible Touch 1.3/5
Calling All Stations 1/5
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 13:32
salmacis wrote:
I think SEBTP has only one flaw- More Fool Me. It's not even THAT bad either, but it's weak compared to the rest. I love the rest- yes, even The Battle Of Epping Forest. Before I came here I had no idea it wasn't too popular, and I loved it as much as most anything else there. Tony Banks incidentally considers 'After The Ordeal' to be the worst thing they ever recorded. I could think of at least 10 worse songs, and I love After The Ordeal too- gorgeous music on that. |
I will only say about SEBTP that "Firth of fifth"'s instrumental section has some of the most BEAUTIFUL music ever this side of classical music, the way Hackett plays the same melody as Gabriel did on flute, that moment gives me the chills....spectacular.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 13:49
I am sorry but I am moving this to Prog Recommendations.
It would be more interesting if you guys (and gals) actually stated how and why you came to your conclusions......
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 13:52
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 14:22
- Selling England By The Pound Because I like it the most
- The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway I like it second best
- Nursery Cryme Third favourite to me, I like it third best
- A Trick Of The Tail I like this one just behind number 3!
- Wind And Wuthering Hacketts last....I like it!
- Foxtrot I don't like this as much as many other people., but I like it.
- Invisible Touch My Fave non Hackett album!!!!!!
- Abacab My second fave non Hackett.
- Genesis I'm sure you get it by now.
- Duke Trees........and grassland.
- Trespass You're not even reading this anymore are you
- And Then There Were Three Big 'uns!!!!!

- Calling All Stations Beam me up, Scotty.

- We can't Dance Not impressed.
- From Genesis To Relevation They were young.......aww.
Have I missed any?
There you go Tony...Ive added reasons.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 14:49
1.Foxtrot 5/5
2.A Trick Of The Tail 5/5
3.Selling England By The Pound 5/5
4.Wind And Wuthering 4/5
5.And Then There Were Three 4/5
6.Seconds Out 4/5
7.The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 4/5
8.Nursery Chryme 4/5
9.Duke 3/5
10.Genesis Live 3/5
11.Three Sides Live 3/5
12.The Way We Walk - The Longs 3/5
13.Trespass 3/5
14. FGTR 2/5
15. Calling All Stations 2/5
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: January 14 2007 at 14:50
SEBTP- 4 stars
I recently sold Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme- couldnt stand them.
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Posted By: bundy
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 08:10
The albums I have in order:
Trick of the Tail
Selling England by the Pound
Nursery Chryme
Foxtrot
Live
From Genesis to Revelations - massively underrated album IMO
Wind and Wuthering
And Then There Were Three
Trespass - Vastly overrated IMO. I love White Mountain, really enjoy Visions of Angels and The Knife, but find the rest of the album pretty bland.
Only other album I'm interested in obtaining is Lamb.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 09:25
Ricochet wrote:
Tony R wrote:
I am sorry but I am moving this to Prog Recommendations.It would be more interesting if you guys (and gals) actually stated how and why you came to your conclusions......[IMG]alt=Wink src="smileys/smiley2.gif" align=absMiddle> |
what arguments should we actually say to a most simple (and repeated a lot, hint) rank? [IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
I agree. For the core albums, the reasons are subtle. There are just some I like to listen to more than others. "From Genesis to Revelation" just has a charming quality to it, and makes me like it more than some others.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 09:36
Duke
Wind & Wuthering
Selling England By The Pound
Trick Of The Tail
Foxtrot
Genesis
Abacab
Trespass
Nursery Cryme
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
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Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 18:59
Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 19:26
From those I have heard my ranking is thus:
TRESPASS  
ABACAB 
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 19:34
salmacis wrote:
I think SEBTP has only one flaw- More Fool Me. It's not even THAT bad either, but it's weak compared to the rest. I love the rest- yes, even The Battle Of Epping Forest. Before I came here I had no idea it wasn't too popular, and I loved it as much as most anything else there. Tony Banks incidentally considers 'After The Ordeal' to be the worst thing they ever recorded. I could think of at least 10 worse songs, and I love After The Ordeal too- gorgeous music on that. |
I disagree. SEBTP is the one album that IMO dosn't belong in a graetest prog top 10. Gabriel's phoney accents is a put off for starters. Banks's solo on Cinema Show is overlong and meandering & apart from Hackett's solo on Firth Of Fifth his guitar playing is not impressive.
Just my oppinion.
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Posted By: Floydian42
Date Posted: January 15 2007 at 20:31
1- Selling England 2- The Lamb 3- Wind and Wuthering 4- A Trick of the Tail 5- Foxtrot 6- Nursery Cryme 7- Live 1973 8- Seconds Out
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Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 00:59
-A Trick of the Tail
-Wind & Wuthering
-Archives 1967-75 (great "Supper`s Ready "and "Lamb" live)
-Seconds Out
-...and then there were three...
-Foxtrot
-Nursery Cryme
-Genesis Live
-The Lamb...
-Trespass
-From Genesis to Revelation
-Three Sides Live
-We Can`t Dance
-The Way We Walk-the Longs
-Duke
-Selling England by the Pound
-The way we walk-the shorts
-abacab
-Invisible Touch (an album that I have not listened since late 2000)
-Calling all stations
-Genesis (an album that I have not listened since late 2000)
I still don`t have the "Archives 1976-92" Box Set. I`m not going to buy the "Turn it on again the hits" and the recent three CD compilation which name I don`t remember now.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 01:10
[QUOTE=raindance] SEBTP is the one album that IMO dosn't belong in a graetest prog top 10. Gabriel's phoney accents is a put off for starters.[QUOTE]
I like his theatrics, it was a natural extension of what the Beatles started and influenced Roger Water's pomp showmanship on the Wall.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 01:25
Lets see:
- Foxtrot: 10/10
- Nursery Cryme 10/10
- Trespass 9.5/10
- The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 9.5/10
- Archives I - The Gabriel Years 9.5/10
- Live 9/10
- SEBTP 9/10
- W&W 8.5/10
- ATOTT 7/10
- Seconds Out 6/10
- From Genesis toi the Revelation 5/10
- Duke 2/10
- The Sides Live 2/10 (Only one side is worth)
- ATTW3 2/10
- Archives II 1/10 (Only two or three songs worth)
- Invisible Touch 1/10 (Only because of The Brazilian)
- CAS 0/10
- ABACAB 0/10
- We Can't Dance 0/10
- Shapes -1

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Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 02:07
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Lets see:
Shapes -1 
Iván
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I agree with you. "Shapes" (aka the self-titled album) is their worst. It sounds like a "contract obligation album", IMO. It also brings me sad memories, so due to the connection to those sad memories my rating for this album is maybe not very fair, but...most of the songs in this album are boring anyway. Even "Calling All Stations" is better!
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Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 04:31
Guillermo wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Lets see:
Shapes -1 
Iván
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I agree with you. "Shapes" (aka the self-titled album) is their worst. It sounds like a "contract obligation album", IMO. It also brings me sad memories, so due to the connection to those sad memories my rating for this album is maybe not very fair, but...most of the songs in this album are boring anyway. Even "Calling All Stations" is better! |
I disagree with both of you. The self-titled album (aka "Shapes") is still 3-man-era-Genesis at their creative peak. I have always (since 1983) found it more interesting than "ATTWT", slightly better than "Abacab", but not as good as "Duke". On the following albums "Invisible Touch" and "We Can't Dance" it's obvious that Banks/Collins/Rutherford began to run out of steam (as song-writers). It's perhaps a good thing that they made only two studio albums together the last ten years before Collins left.
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 09:28
I feel the second half of 'Shapes' is very weak indeed. The first half is fine to excellent- Mama and Home By The Sea I think were reasonably successful updates of their 70s sound into the 80s, while That's All is reasonable AOR.
The second half though I think was rushed. 'Illegal Alien' is simply embarassingly dreadful, 'Just A Job To Do' and 'Taking It All Too Hard' are unmemorable imho, 'It's Gonna Get Better' I find quite dull- 'Silver Rainbow' is the best track of that half.
When asked about the album I think Mike Rutherford praised how consistently good the first side was but never even mentioned the second. Hmm... But that's just my opinion, of course.
I think all of the post Duke albums of the 80s had half a good album at best. Too many ballads and rather lacklustre R & B attempts gummed them up a lot of the time. I simply don't blame Phil Collins alone for that though- there were three members in the band. Two of them weren't Phil Collins. And Tony Banks 80s solo output and Mike and The Mechanics are scarcely better than Phil's solo stuff.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 12:06
Mategra wrote:
It's perhaps a good thing that they made only two studio albums together the last ten years before Collins left.
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It would have ben much better if they did no more albums after Seconds Out or at least change their name. 
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Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 12:28
First - The six albums with Hackett chronologically
Seventh - The album just before Hackett joined
Eighth - Archive 1
Ninth - The other two live albums with Hackett, again chronologically
Eleventh - The first album after Hackett left
Thirteenth - The first Genesis album
Fourteenth - the remaining Genesis albums
Can you tell I like Hackett?! 
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 12:39
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Mategra wrote:
It's perhaps a good thing that they made only two studio albums together the last ten years before Collins left.
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It would have ben much better if they did no more albums after Seconds Out or at least change their name. [IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
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I think ATTWT (and even "Duke" to some extent) was still in line with the natural evolution of the Genesis sound. Abacab was where they truly turned the corner.
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Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 13:21
Mategra wrote:
Guillermo wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Lets see:
Shapes -1 
Iván
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I agree with you. "Shapes" (aka the self-titled album) is their worst. It sounds like a "contract obligation album", IMO. It also brings me sad memories, so due to the connection to those sad memories my rating for this album is maybe not very fair, but...most of the songs in this album are boring anyway. Even "Calling All Stations" is better! |
I disagree with both of you. The self-titled album (aka "Shapes") is still 3-man-era-Genesis at their creative peak. I have always (since 1983) found it more interesting than "ATTWT", slightly better than "Abacab", but not as good as "Duke". On the following albums "Invisible Touch" and "We Can't Dance" it's obvious that Banks/Collins/Rutherford began to run out of steam (as song-writers). It's perhaps a good thing that they made only two studio albums together the last ten years before Collins left.
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As Salmacis also wrote, Rutherford said in one interview done in 2003, I think (still included in their official website) that he thinks that "shapes" was their best album! (incredible, but true!). Banks and him agreed that the second side wasn`t as good as the first, and the three of them didn`t like "ATTWT" anymore! Collins said that for him "The Lamb" was their best!
I wrote about this album before, in my review in Prog Archives: "Mama" is an awful "horror movie" song. "That`s All" is good and has funny lyrics. "Home by the sea" is more or less good, but "Second Home by the Sea" is boring, like they were thinking "How are we going to fill one side of this album?". "Illegal Alien" has offensive lyrics, IMO. "Taking it all too hard" is a ballad a la Collins. "Just a Job to Do" is another Pop song. From "Silver Rainbow" I only like the music from the first verse. "It`s Gonna Get Better" is the best of the album, with good lyrics and music.
Anyway, it is only a matte of taste. Many people likes this album a lot.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 14:18
Guillermo wrote:
Mategra wrote:
Guillermo wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Lets see:
Shapes -1 
Iván
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I agree with you. "Shapes" (aka the self-titled album) is their worst. It sounds like a "contract obligation album", IMO. It also brings me sad memories, so due to the connection to those sad memories my rating for this album is maybe not very fair, but...most of the songs in this album are boring anyway. Even "Calling All Stations" is better! |
I disagree with both of you. The self-titled album (aka "Shapes") is still 3-man-era-Genesis at their creative peak. I have always (since 1983) found it more interesting than "ATTWT", slightly better than "Abacab", but not as good as "Duke". On the following albums "Invisible Touch" and "We Can't Dance" it's obvious that Banks/Collins/Rutherford began to run out of steam (as song-writers). It's perhaps a good thing that they made only two studio albums together the last ten years before Collins left.
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As Salmacis also wrote, Rutherford said in one interview done in 2003, I think (still included in their official website) that he thinks that "shapes" was their best album! (incredible, but true!). Banks and him agreed that the second side wasn`t as good as the first, and the three of them didn`t like "ATTWT" anymore! Collins said that for him "The Lamb" was their best!
I wrote about this album before, in my review in Prog Archives: "Mama" is an awful "horror movie" song. "That`s All" is good and has funny lyrics. "Home by the sea" is more or less good, but "Second Home by the Sea" is boring, like they were thinking "How are we going to fill one side of this album?". "Illegal Alien" has offensive lyrics, IMO. "Taking it all too hard" is a ballad a la Collins. "Just a Job to Do" is another Pop song. From "Silver Rainbow" I only like the music from the first verse. "It`s Gonna Get Better" is the best of the album, with good lyrics and music.
Anyway, it is only a matte of taste. Many people likes this album a lot. |
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 20:22
Atavachron wrote:
[QUOTE=raindance] SEBTP is the one album that IMO dosn't belong in a graetest prog top 10. Gabriel's phoney accents is a put off for starters.[QUOTE]
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Visually I totally agree. No one was better than Gabriel at ating out a story, A very unique performer indeed 
However, his varying takes on English accents are a big turn off for me!
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: January 16 2007 at 20:24
1. Foxtrot 2. Selling England 3. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 4. Trespass 5. A Trick Of The Tail 6. Nursery Cryme 7. Wind And Wuthering
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 17:22
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
20. Shapes -1  |
I finally heard it. I just can't agree more. My review will follow. Abacab wasn't that bad, still haven't heard IT and WCD, but after listening to all-time-worst Genesis song "Illegal alien", I just don't see any way those two albums could be worse than this.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 20:51
The T wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
20. Shapes -1  |
I finally heard it. I just can't agree more. My review will follow. Abacab wasn't that bad, still haven't heard IT and WCD, but after listening to all-time-worst Genesis song "Illegal alien", I just don't see any way those two albums could be worse than this.
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Illegal Alien the worst song?
No way, it's terrible but wait till you listen this deep lyrics:
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Who dunnit?
I didnt, i, I didnt do it....
Oh but we know, we know, we know...
So was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it you or was it me? Who dunnit?
I, i, I didnt, I didnt do it...
But we know, we know, we know... Yeah we dont know, we dont know, we dont know... We all know, we all know, we all know... |
And even worst the music that goes with them.
Honestly, every song in Love Beach is a masterpiece compared with this "thing".
Iván
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 20:57
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The T wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
20. Shapes -1  |
I finally heard it. I just can't agree more. My review will follow. Abacab wasn't that bad, still haven't heard IT and WCD, but after listening to all-time-worst Genesis song "Illegal alien", I just don't see any way those two albums could be worse than this.
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Illegal Alien the worst song?
No way, it's terrible but wait till you listen this deep lyrics:
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Who dunnit?
I didnt, i, I didnt do it....
Oh but we know, we know, we know...
So was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it you or was it me? Who dunnit?
I, i, I didnt, I didnt do it...
But we know, we know, we know... Yeah we dont know, we dont know, we dont know... We all know, we all know, we all know... |
And even worst the music that goes with them.
Honestly, every song in Love Beach is a masterpiece compared with this "thing".
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Who Dunnit makes Jethro Tull's "A" seem like another Tarkus or CTTE 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 17 2007 at 23:49
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The T wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
20. Shapes -1  |
I finally heard it. I just can't agree more. My review will follow. Abacab wasn't that bad, still haven't heard IT and WCD, but after listening to all-time-worst Genesis song "Illegal alien", I just don't see any way those two albums could be worse than this.
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Illegal Alien the worst song?
No way, it's terrible but wait till you listen this deep lyrics:
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Who dunnit?
I didnt, i, I didnt do it....
Oh but we know, we know, we know...
So was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it a or was it b? Or was it x or z?
Was it you or was it me? Or was it he or she? Was it you or was it me? Who dunnit?
I, i, I didnt, I didnt do it...
But we know, we know, we know... Yeah we dont know, we dont know, we dont know... We all know, we all know, we all know... |
And even worst the music that goes with them.
Honestly, every song in Love Beach is a masterpiece compared with this "thing".
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The lyrics are incredibly atrocious and the music horrendous, but at least we don't hear that MOST ANNOYING SINCE CAR ALARMS THAT WAKE YOU UP AT SIX O CLOCK ON A SUNDAY "accent" that Collins uses when singing "Illegal Alien".... it's just unbeareble... it's also insulting, devoid of any irony, sarcasm, INTELLIGENCE. And to top that, the stupid photo with all three wearing moustaches....(well, that's not a music-related complaint but anyway, it sucks).... No, I jjust wrote I review when I made my case that that song only catapults SHAPES to the last place not only between Genesis' albums but also between N'Sync ones....  
Really, I could listen "who dunnit" and I'd feel stupid. I hear "Illegal" and suddenly I feel ASHAMED TO BE HEARING GENESIS... now how often can that happen
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 17:25
Difficult thing to do but here it is:
Selling England by the Pound
Foxtrot
And Then There Were three
Nursery Crymes
Wind and Wuthering
The Lamb Lies Down on Brodway
Tresspass
A Trick of the tail
Duke
Calling All Stations
From Genesis to Revelations
We Can't Dance
Genesis
Invisible touch
Abacab
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 18:27
Cristi wrote:
Difficult thing to do but here it is:
Selling England by the Pound
Foxtrot
And Then There Were three
Nursery Crymes
Wind and Wuthering
The Lamb Lies Down on Brodway
Tresspass
A Trick of the tail
Duke
Calling All Stations
From Genesis to Revelations
We Can't Dance
Genesis
Invisible touch
Abacab |
Incredible, at last somebody that likes ATTWT as much as I do. It's not a popular album around here as I see, and I don't understand... it's no FOX nor SEBTP but it has great songs.
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Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 20:26
The T wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Difficult thing to do but here it is:
Selling England by the Pound
Foxtrot
And Then There Were three
Nursery Crymes
Wind and Wuthering
The Lamb Lies Down on Brodway
Tresspass
A Trick of the tail
Duke
Calling All Stations
From Genesis to Revelations
We Can't Dance
Genesis
Invisible touch
Abacab |
Incredible, at last somebody that likes ATTWT as much as I do. It's not a popular album around here as I see, and I don't understand... it's no FOX nor SEBTP but it has great songs. |
Yes. ATTWT is a very good album, maybe the best they recorded as a trio.
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: January 20 2007 at 06:58
Havn't heard too much of them, but here goes:
- Foxtrot
- Nursery Cryme
- Genesis Live
- Duke
- Invisible Touch

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