1-star rating for an UNRELEASED ALBUM
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Topic: 1-star rating for an UNRELEASED ALBUM
Posted By: The T
Subject: 1-star rating for an UNRELEASED ALBUM
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 18:35
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How can somebody have rated Threshold's Dead reckoing with a 1 if the album is not out yet and no music is available???? And most of all, how can that rating COUNT???? It's very easy to act like a child and go submit a rating against a band you hate without actually facing the music, without giving your name... i could submit ratings for a lot of bands I don't like just to see their ratings go down, but I care as to say WHY. This is unacceptable. Can somebody explain this to me??/ ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 18:39
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I just checked... there's no option for downloading anything neither from thresh.net nor from nuclearblast.de, so whoever submitted that rating has either an illegal download or is just a musical-brat. -------------
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 18:48
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Let it trouble you no more........ Well spotted Theo, thanks. The Politburo has acted..   |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 18:52
Well done, that's what I like about a ruling-party: the decissions get done IMMEDIATELY, no matter whose heads have to be cut. 
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Tony R wrote:Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 19:02
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and this other album that is also not out and has a 1 star rating, T which is it? |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 19:05
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aah, found it-surprise,surprise it was the same person!!! [email protected] A little searching revealed 16 RWR's by him, 15 x 1 star and 1x 5 star. I have deleted all of them. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 19:06
???? No, I haven't seen any other one. Think a misunderstandment has taken place.
But now that you mention this, how come some album with just ONE review have much different scores that that lone review? I didn't know (until now) that you could submit just a rating with no review. -------------
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 18 2007 at 19:11
Anyway sorted...you posted in that thread that mentioned 2 unreleased albums so i presumed you knew. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 11:28
What about this young abuser?
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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=9064&listreviews=alpha#reviews - http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=9064&listreviews=alpha#reviews
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 11:42
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Yikes! There's something up with that! ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 11:43
^ i agree with the Electric Light Orchestra, and DT is well overrated 
...but not the others - also someone needs to read the reviews submission guidelines...?
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Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 11:49
talk about early reviews... how about Scarsick ? ------------- The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 11:54
| To get back on topic: This is why I don't like the idea of adding albums before they are released. |
Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 11:59
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well IMO adding the album is like to tell you that the artist will release that album. it's actually fine as long as people submit the reviews after the album released, regardless they already heard the album ------------- The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 13:21
It would be good if the coming album is added to the archives, but reviewing be not possible until it's finally released. That way we get rid of these "reviews" that consist of a rating and nothing else (and usually an extreme rating: either a 5 or a 1, which shows the amount of thinking the "reviewer" put into it). Yes, the case with Scarsick is the worst. At least we have now ONE collaborator review. I don't know why but I tend to trust these more. But anyway, it's not good that the album isn't even out yet and we have more than 10 reviews, and many of them more than 2 months old! Well, this topic was discussed somewhere else and there's no hope for a change in policy, so I guess there isn't any point to continue the analysis. -------------
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 13:43
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I still believe that you should not be allowed to rate an album unless you review it. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 13:54
Indeed but especially Prog Reviwers....surely a Prog Reviewer should have NO ratings-without-reviews in his portfolio?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 13:57
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wow.... somebody missed one on that promotion hahahhahah
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 13:58
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 14:13
Who are you referring to? I have never rated an album without a review. 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 21 2007 at 14:14
| Ah, but that was Liquid Len, the one who wrote that Rush only released a good album... their first. I shouted for Tony in that thread, and had to threaten to close it when he got aggressive towards another member - not that he took any notice, of course. If he is a PR and behaves in such a way, I think he should probably be noticed that this will only lead to a demotion. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: January 22 2007 at 12:19
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Wait a second, so the user the link to whose profile I posted is one of the collabs? That's mind-boggling! ------------- sig |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 11:51
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I've just noticed that Neal Morse's still unheard 2007 release has a one star rating and no review. Wassup wid dat? ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 12:03
It's a prognose rather than a rating i presume, maybe one of the band mates thinks it's a dud and wanted to give us distant early warning. Or the reason it isn't heard is because Morse doesn't think it's good enough to be released (or leaked), so that could account for the fact it hasn't leaked yet, and some reviewer understood that possibility and considered a pre-emptive strike to be in order. Anyway,can be deleted if you asked me. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 12:05
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Ill agree that reviewing material before it's released is a big no-no. I can tolerate a few, but 50 reviews, come on... ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 12:12
Ahh good times in that thread
But anyways, how can somebody be a prog reviewer and still be posting ratings without reviews? Shuldnt prog reviwers be the ones to write reviews, seeing as how they have the honor of getting their reviews placed at the top of the page to be read by everyone? Seems to me like somebody got a wrongful promotion... ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 12:12
Well last time this debate had happened four out of five albums had been added by the owners themselves. So we obviously cannot do much about this!! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 13:31
 .... you weren't around when Octavarium was released were you? We had upwards of 50 reviews (with more than its fair share of both 1 & 5 stars) before its official release date... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 14:20
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 16:00
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^^^ not entirely, i can understand why some do it, time puts constraints on all of us I have (at least not yet) rated anything without a review, but it's definitely possible. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 16:43
Yikes. I think we've come across this Beatle one-starrer before, but he's given Kate Bush one star as well. I'm sorry, but he must be taken out and shot immediately! He can't honestly say a lot of thought went into those reviews. Is there an ELO fan here who thinks all those albums honestly deserve 5 stars? |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 16:45
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^^^ giving the Beatles all 1 stars is much, much worse ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: January 23 2007 at 16:47
I happen to like his Rush ratings.   
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: January 24 2007 at 03:40
This REALLY gets my goat,There were LOADS before the last Pendragon album was released these fold fall into one of three categories 1. An internet album thief (downloaded it illegally from some scuzzy site) 2.An out & out liar (not heard it but want to either be first to hate it or first to love it 3.A band member (Why not have "Band Member Reviews" so this is possible and stand out fromt the trolls? If some one has an advance copy for another reason, then they should say so in their review. It screws up the overall ratings for ever. Grrrrrr P-C |
Posted By: LeInsomniac
Date Posted: July 29 2007 at 12:33
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I find inconceivable to give star reviews without reviewing them, essentially when the majority of persons that do that probably never will review it, after all whats the point of giving a star rating and not had the review with his/her opinion? Really darn stupid if you ask me, its like a monkey throwing up his feces and not getting any person in the process, its not funny if the monkey doesnt hit anyone!!!
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: July 29 2007 at 14:39
| It's usually because the person concerned feels their command of English is not sufficient to allow them to compose a review. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:21
I agree 100%. But for those of us who have reviewed albums and hope to achieve PR status and had a couple reviews axed and ratings left, can we re-submit as to not have any portfolio blanks? ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:32
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I've made the mistake a rating a few before I did the review and then I found out that if I go back later and review, it doesn't show up the latest reviews sections, which sucks if you're trying to let people know about an obscure album.
I am reformed and will never rate without a review. It wouldn't bother me if that was official site policy. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:37
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Wanting to delete an old inadequate review, feel free to PM me (or Eay Livin') and we can do the job.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:40
Can I get my ratings without reviews whacked as well? There's not too many.
 You can always revise an inadequate one. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:43
Thanks, I will do that, when I think of something more adequate to say.
 Apparently somebody was not impressed with my story about 'Wish you were here' frightening deer. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 15:16
| No problem Slarty, drop us a PM with the details of the reviews to be zapped. |
Posted By: MonkeyphoneAlex
Date Posted: November 13 2007 at 22:49
He gave Argus a 1/5?!? He can't possibly have heard it! Destroy this fool! ------------- "Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST." -FZ |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 09 2007 at 20:31
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I think we should add some sort of coding that states (up until the release date of the album, after which the page will return to the normal reviewing process):
If you would like the review this album before its release date, send a PM to ______ stating your legitimacy as a promotional reviewer.
Unitl the release date, no one but the approved people should be able to review or rate albums. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 21:34
I agree. Then you won't end up with stuff like this: http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=6701 How likely is it that a single person has listened to over FIVE THOUSAND prog albums even once? If this person listened to each of the albums s/he reviewed only ONCE, it would still take two and a half years at eight hours a day! Perhaps the person is a DJ - that's the only conceivable way they might have racked up that many albums. And you'd hope s/he'd listened to them many more times than once. And not one single review! Perhaps the worst case or rating abuse I've seen. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:46
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Re : collab ID 6701 - 1) 5000 albums is not that out of reach. I own some 2000 CDs. Many are compilations made up of 2 albums per CD, in some cases 1 or a few songs left off the album(s) that I didn't like; while others are basically anthologies. I've bought,sold, traded, borrowed, lent, burnt & had copies burnt. The "best of" ones in my collection were time consuming and sometimes costly (Tull & Crimson's out put being rather large), but I did give each album more than one good listen before deciding which songs I kept. On top of that, over the 30 years that I have been buying music, I've disposed of a good 500 albums. Some were sold/traded because of the above process, some I simply didn't want anymore. Example - Purple's gig with the Philharmonic, the Rush live albums after The whole worlds a stage, and some that I eventually did not like that I transferred to mix cassettes/CDs the songs I liked. I do hope that any review is based on more than a single passing listen. I do wonder though how some of the 1000 album plus reviewers (not just raters) are able to give appropriate time to ensure each album gets a decent listen. Reason - I am at a point, or rather have been for a while, where I cannot honestly claim to know ALL or MOST of my albums inside out. The older or more popular ones I can. More recent purchases, though, while enjoying regular play, I can only state that I love the music, but could not from memory name most songs individually. Heck, even a few Gentle Giant, Ange, and Motorhead albums form part of this group. And yes, s few of those are among my favourites (GG's first, Ange' Seve QUi Peut, Mo'head's INferno) So, I would question not just this particular person, but some others here who manage prodigious amounts of reviews. But then, hey, who knows, maybe they have put in that much time. But maybe not, eh. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:58
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what? that's not abuse ;P drain-o's ratings have been useful to me before. and just because you review in a way that takes up a lot of time doesn't mean that everyone else should.
I'd just like to remind everyone that "abuse" is not "using the site in a different way to mine". =P =P =P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 13:01
| he certainly has an eclectic mix of prog "masterpieces" |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 19:35
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Fair play, laplace, I don't have any complaint if other people find this 'rating without review' useful. You're the first to say so. I'm not calling his/her tastes into question. I'm arguing that it must have been difficult to rate 5000+ albums over an 18-month period (the gap between his/her enrolment and last visit) as it would have taken over two years, at eight hours per day, just to listen to 5000 albums once each. I have over 2000 albums, about half of which are prog or related. I try to review one per day, but life gets in the way. If it's an album I'm familiar with I may only listen to it once (while I'm writing the review), but new albums need five or more spins before I feel confident enough to write about them. I can certainly understand other people being much more decisive in their musical tastes and being able to review a new album after one listen. That's not 'abuse'. I can't, though: too many times my opinion of an album has changed after a few listens. However, I could have spent an afternoon rating my entire collection. Does anyone think that would have been of more use? Or do we think it OK to rate albums without listening to them? If this user rated albums without listening to them, that would, to my mind, be 'abuse'. And because there is no accompanying review, surely that suspicion must remain. |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 20:31
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As I can recall Drain-O lives alone in the remote Bouvet Island (South Atlantic)... maybe his only amusement is to hear prog albums, no? ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: June 17 2008 at 21:47
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Indeed! And perhaps he might struggle to express himself to his own satisfaction in English. It's a shame, though. I would like to know the thoughts of someone with such a broad musical palette. 'Abuse' accusation withdrawn. Russell mollified. |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: August 15 2008 at 19:06
Somebody has given Pendragon Pure an early 1 star rating ... maybe these needs to be fixed up 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 04:46
| Looks like the rating has been removed. |
Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: August 17 2008 at 14:58
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For a reference point, I can assure you that NO review copies have gone out, or will indeed go out other than to 2 trusted magazine reviwers. The earliest copies available to people will be 20th/21st Sept at the launch weekend. Any ratings/"reviews" prior to that time (at the earliest) are simply blarney!
Thanks to Yorkie X for spotting that, I'm trying to check it each day now that the album has been listed, but a small matter of production workload means it's not always possible!
Please pass on names for raters or reviewers prior to this time, I am sure the BPI will find their details interesting!
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 12:22
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I don't know why people would do that. If everyone that hated Genesis did that SEBTP would have a 2 star average. Good job pointing that out. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: February 03 2009 at 12:59
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http://www.progarchives.com/album-reviews.asp?id=21412 - http://www.progarchives.com/album-reviews.asp?id=21412
2 extreme ratings for an unreleased album? ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: February 03 2009 at 15:50
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Hehe, I was wondering, after seeing the album review in the weekly PA feed, that the album shouldn't be out yet, at least as far as I know. This seems to explain some of it. |
Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 04:43
| And now Dream Theater's latest has 2 5-star ratings despite no music being available... |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 05:17
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^Which brings up the point, if the album hasn't even been released, surely a Progreviewer would be more responsible to even add an album with the potential for ratings abuse? I would never add an album that isn't legally available and I think that should be the case for all members of the site. ------------- 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: March 16 2009 at 13:56
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mailto:M@x - M@x is keen to ensure that information about albums, especially popular ones, is listed as soon as it is made public.
The info for the album has now been updated making it clear that ratings only and reviews not based on official promo copies will be deleted.
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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 19:00
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New Wobbler that comes out on March 30 has five ratings without reviews?
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 21:19
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^That's the "beauty" of the policy of adding albums that haven't been released yet... I've been the eternal whiner against it... The eternal defeated whiner, that is...
It will never change... so let's better hope for incredibly active and quick admins to delete those ratings... -------------
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: March 17 2009 at 21:26
Well, in this case, it's been available from Termo records (the label) and from onilne vendors (I got mine from Laser's Edge) for more than a week now. I've seen quite a few times that some albums are in fact available for purchase before their release date (Cheer Accident - Fear Draws Misfortune and Nemo - Barbares are two that come to mind from recent times). ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |