Was Genesis the best prog band ever?
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Topic: Was Genesis the best prog band ever?
Posted By: The Lost Chord
Subject: Was Genesis the best prog band ever?
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 12:38
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After a long hard thought process, and upon viewing all of their lives videos countless times, and listening to these amazing albums...it really only takes one listen to all of Nursery Cryme for me to solidify my answer.
YES! absolutely! -------------  "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 12:44
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At one time they were contenders @ 70-78 but after that, sorry.
The crown goes to VdGG IMHO ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 12:48
Not just your opinion  |
Man Erg wrote:Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 12:53
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A very good, top-rated and hugely influential band indeed, but I can't say the best. ------------- 
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 12:54
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I believe there is no such thing as 'best' prog band... Only 'favorite' prog band...
It's all about taste...
------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 12:58
| Before Gabriel left I think you could have made a strong case for that. At that time (with Gabriel) I thought they were. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 14:42
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Almost... there is one better... maybe two... ------------- 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 15:06
I agree. It is about taste. Lost Chord, if your question was 'are they your favourite?' then I would answer, yes! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 15:14
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too girly. Magma, Henry Cow, King Crimson and VDGG were all better during that time span anyway. =P
------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 15:21
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The most overrated, yes. Best, no. ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: cyberiancygnus
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 15:21
| I voted No , because of Yes , so no and Yes!! ?*::) |
Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 15:56
Yup, I agree. VdGG is the best, but all three of the other bands took way more chances (making for a better payoff) than Genesis... who, still, I quite liked when I was younger (the Gabriel/Hackett era). ------------- jc |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 16:03
I was never able to get into Genesis. Their music has never appealed to me, though it's difficult to say exactly why. (I mean by this that athough I could specify things about Genesis that turn me off, equally there are other bands I do like about whom one could say pretty much the same things  ). ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 16:05
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I hate to vote against one of my all time favorite bands but when you talk about the best I have to say that Yes takes that trophy. Starting with the Yes Album they achieved a level of popularity with songs that were uncompromisingly progressive that Genesis wouldn't achieve until the early 80s. Yes blazed the trail, in other words. ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Mind Drive
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 16:15
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They are one of my favorites and I listen to them often, but for me number one is YES by far. ------------- Senior Member |
Posted By: Radar Love
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 16:18
| Defineatly not but a great band! |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 16:20
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I love Genesis of that period of time, but "best of the best" - there's no such thing.
And it's not only depending on personal taste. I remember listening to Maneige Les Porches the second time in a row and thinking - bloody hell it's even better than Genesis....-just as an example... ------------- carefulwiththataxe |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 16:29
Is VdGG some anagram of Rush or what? You're confusing me here...  ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 16:35
Absolutely.
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 16:37
No  ( ) Its just that Van Der Graaf Generator never swayed or dabbled in pop. Always stayed magnificently amazing!  |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 16:56
YES! Absulutely Prog GENESIS is not greater/ better than Prog YES even though I like more Genesis albums than Yes. There are bands who have albums I prefer to Genesis' best albums on the whole (Gentle Giant, Focus, PFM, Gryphon, Le Orme, Magma, Maneige, Sloche, Univers Zero, Banco del... etc.) but I do consider Genesis to be one of the best -- no more, no less. That they've had a very significant impact on Prog is undeniable, as is the fact that they're widely recognised as one of the key Prog great classic bands (but bigger and better known does not equal better music). I still think Genesis is very good, and music like Firth of Fifth, The Cinema Show, The Lamia, The Carpet Crawlers, In the Cage, The Music Box, Supper's Ready, Ripples, Entangled, One for the Vine, and Blood on the Rooftops rank amongst my favourite songs of all. And Gentle Giant has eight great, essential albums, as I see it, which beats Genesis or any of the other big Prog bands for me. As I explore more music, this may change. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 17:42
Ditto that
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 17:44
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Definitely NOT! They're cute
King Crimson takes tha crown.
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Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 17:53
| No |
Posted By: CaptainWafflos
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 18:30
| You create the worst threads ever. |
Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 18:53
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 19:24
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^That was random
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 20:40
| There are many styles of prog, the question ought to be .Is Genesis the best in symphonic rock? because I cant compare groups if the styles are too differents. |
Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:03
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not for me, yes and pink floyd were better bands in my opinion, also ELP ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: polyrythmic
Date Posted: February 28 2007 at 22:32
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SEBTP is the best album ever in my opinion, so yes! |
Posted By: raindance2007
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 05:22
| I find Nursery Cryme to be a bit boring |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 06:29
| One of the best, I think, but THE best is a purely subjective statement. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 07:33
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Some great music but no, in part because of the music they ended up doing - which was good pop with a twist. King Crimson really ought to get the title because they were/are forever moving forwards...progressing....! |
Posted By: Alibongo
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 10:03
Agreed. There are loads of GREAT prog bands; Rush (obviously), Pink Floyd, Camel, VdGG, Caravan, Marillion, King Crimson, ELP, PFM.
All of these are tremendous bands, and i'm sure i've missed some other awesome bands out (sorry any people who've fave band i missed
 )But why do we need to decide on the BEST prog band when we can enjoy a large number of GREAT ones?
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 10:05
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Along with Supertramp, GG and Zappa; yes. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: MattiR
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 10:09
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No, but they are a great band
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Posted By: Mlaen
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 11:24
| They were the best from Trespass to Selling England. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 13:46
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In my mind, yes. Up to "Wind and Wuthering" (heck I'll even throw in ATTWT), they were the best prog band. I am biased since they were the ones that opened the genre up to me. Nostalgia goes a long way. There are many other great bands as well. If I had heard KC first, my choice may have been different. Yes, Pink Floyd, VDGG, PFM, Le Orme, and Marillion (Fish) are way up there too. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: herring
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 14:29
| The Early Years of Genesis before Hackett and Gabriel left were awesome but from trick of the tail and on they got a lot worse... but still the are the greatest allong with yes and floyd |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 14:38
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I rate TotT and W&W as my top two favorite Genesis albums. Even over The Lamb. Nothing against Gabriel, but I thought the music on those two was much more melodic than anything they created to date. -------------
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Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 14:42
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I voted yes, but, to be honest, you can't really say they were the best, anymore than you can say any other band were, or are, the best.
It's all down, as usual, to personal taste. They were, and are, my favourite prog band. But favourite is a different thing to best.
To me they were the best. To many others, they weren't.
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Posted By: Tales
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 16:21
By an overwhelming majority......NO they weren't the best prog band
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 17:00
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Good indeed, but not the best. I prefer the works by Yes, VdGG and Gentle Giant from that period. |
Posted By: tony63
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 17:01
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Genesis is THE BAND who created the word prog-rock IMHO they are magic. ------------- one is the loneliest number |
Posted By: Tales
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 17:28
I can reccomend a few good books & albums that will blow your statement right out of the water.
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Posted By: Freak
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 18:24
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I'm certain you can't disprove the magic theory! That band is pure magic.
I voted, "Yes!" I couldn't help it. It's just such good stuff. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 19:31
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Among the best, no doubt, they are among the groups that can be called part of the top tier of prog, along with Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Yes, & King Crimson, although this list is arbritary. All the above groups have or had lengthy careers filled with outstanding albums, critical & commercial success (subjective & objective measures). The best, impossible to determine, as the basis would be determined by ???? Alas, my faves - Gentle Giant & Ange, I've had to admit that my admiration & opinion do not suffice as a force against the objective measures the above groups can amass.  |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: March 01 2007 at 19:37
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In a word "NO" - ELP, Yes and King Crimson I find more appealing. Genesis are certainly among the top prog groups but certainly not the best ever! ------------- 
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Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 06:35
I would assume that most fans of Prog rock cannot deny their impact and influence on Prog during the time from Trespass to The Lamb, or Wind & Wuthering. Whether you like them or not, is another story. It's no accident there are so many Genesis tribute bands today, "The Music Box" probably leading the pack.
Five or six very well crafted albums, and each one breaking Prog ground, defintely put them a league of their own. Maybe even calling them "the best prog band ever." might be too subjective.
Obviously with my avatar & sig pics, Genesis is my favorite and best prog band, which doesn't mean I don't have other favorites.
Yes, Nursery Cryme stands the test of time.
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Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 13:08
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theres just something entirely different about them, i mean, if your like me its just incredible...look:
Peter Gabriel: One of if not the best, unique vocalist of the time, incredible vocal style and amazing melodies
Tony Banks: My favorite keyboardist EVER. period. His choice of notes is unbelieveable, and he wrote a beatiful piano peice that doesnt even get considered as such because its just ANOTHER great Genesis song: Firth of Fifth
Mike Rutherford: Simple, good basist, a nice guuy and perfect for the band!
Phil Collins: Fantastic drummer! Even if you dislike his later taking over of genesis, his early days were brilliant!
Anthony Phillips: Trespass guy, his solo albums are mind blowingly good and he was so down to earth and into spirituality and just a true master of melodic guitar and power.
Steve Hackett: Come on! This guy tore everyone face off when he blasted forth on Ginat Hogweed and Musical Box...Jesus that gives me chills EVERY DAMN TIME! ------------- "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 13:16
OK, calm down. It will wear off.
I am not taking away from the band's importance to the genre, but you speak like they wrote the book. Any level headed Prog fan will say they have a piece of the pie, but they are not the champions of Progressive Rock.
No one is the best of anything in music because it is art thus it is subjective. Everyone's tastes are different. If you disagree, then I counter with RUSH IS THE BEST BAND OF ALL TIME. -------------
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Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 14:01
Well, if you like them that's cool... I certainly used to in the 70s, and I don't hate them now. But, in order to be truly "progressive", you have to evolve a bit. Until they started on their pop path with Duke (some would say And Then...) they were pretty much doing albums that were just refinements of what they'd already done. Even Tony Banks has said that Wind & Wuthering ('77) is really Foxtrot just five years on. Personally, though, I don't think that's a positive statement. For a truly "progressing" trajectory, compare Crimson's 'Red' to 'Court' or 'Lizard.' Compare VdGG's 'World Record' or 'Quiet Zone' to 'H to He.' Same time frame as the lag between Foxtrot and W&W, but a much different (and more contemporary) vibe compared to the earlier albums.
Also, Genesis were a little safe for me. My parents could like them. But Crimson, VdGG, & Magma could have the faint-of-heart running from the room. Maybe that doesn't mean they're 'better', but that's the way I like it (and, in a way, it's more the spirit of 'rock & roll'). ------------- jc |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 14:05
King Crimson. They are truly progressive in the sense of moving forward. A great band indeed. I think few bands are like them and I hope in the future they (Fripp mostly) are recognized like Zappa has been. They are innovators. -------------
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Posted By: raindance2007
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 17:13
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Gabriels voice was a bit rough and screechy at times and some of his
lyrics were a bit strange or depressing. I think that's why Genesis
were not the greatest prog band imo, but they were one of the best
still. I don't think Crimson were among the top 5 because when Lake
left, they didn't have a great song writer for the rest of the 70s.
They were experimental, but their music didn't excite me enough, but
they came good again in the 80s. Pink Floyd were not in the top 10
because they just didn't have the talent to play complex or exciting
prog. I think Tull were the most complete band with a great amount of
progressive songs and a really good mix of heavy rock and folk. TAAB,
APP, SFTW, Heavy horses and A are complete prog gems. The 8 bonus
tracks on the remaster of Warchild are quality prog songs. MITG is
quality prog and lots of the other remasters have plenty of quality
prog. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 17:17
| Assuming that ANge & gentle Giant never existed, then Yes, you could ask if Genesis was the greatest prog band ever. |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 17:18
| Not the best, Jethro Tull was! erm... IS! |
Posted By: OGTL
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 18:14
| Average band, nothing more, nothing less. For me they had maybe 3 good songs and the rest was average rock. |
Posted By: White Duck
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 18:20
| One of the best with Tull, Gentle Giant and King Crimson |
Posted By: raindance2007
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 18:23
take out Crimson and add Camel, Yes and VDGG |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 02 2007 at 23:31
Average band, NO, I must insist; they were at the very least - above average ! Actually, just checked out the poster's profile, .. could be that he's ... goshn by golly - wrong ... |
Posted By: Prog-man
Date Posted: March 03 2007 at 03:00
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YES. ------------- Arriving somewhere but not here |
Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: March 03 2007 at 17:09
I kinda overlooked this remark when scanning through this thread, but I'd have to say I agree 100%. PC gets bashed because of his pop career, but his drumming is just phenomenal (early days). Maybe the best in prog. ------------- jc |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 06 2007 at 20:17
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I don't like Genesis very much.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 06 2007 at 20:21
hahahhah... who needs books or albums .... just a basic knowledge of prog would suffice ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: March 06 2007 at 20:21
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I'd give the honor to Yes before Genesis, and I even doubt they are the best ever. -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Prayermad
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 11:01
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There's no 'dunno' option up there, so i voted for no. There are so many stunning prog bands out there, Genesis was one of them, but i'm just not sure if they were really the most stunning? |
Posted By: seamus
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 14:31
I agree!  |
Posted By: keith_emerson
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 15:09
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I voted "yes"...but certainly i must say that GENESIS/YES (I mean both bands) are kings of original and pure prog... LONG LIVE GENESIS AND YES! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 15:35
Are they an overrated symphonic Prog band? Hmm, I'll choose the top three albums of the top listed band in Italian Symph Prog for analysis. In symphonic Prog, PFM at its best, for instance, blows Genesis at its
best right out of the water... Better musicianship and more mature, I
feel, compositionally.
Yes, hard evidence that Genesis is overrated (or that PFM is underrated? No the former is true because there's so much great stuff out there). Now where does Genesis stand in the top 100 list? 2, 6, 9, [and 10 for Nursery Cryme]. What about the mega Itialian symph band PFM? 26, 45, [205 for Stati] and a mere 209 for L'isola di niente. More importantly, Genesis is overreviewed with too many ratings (some might argue that PFM is too). Now how do they rate compared to the obscure stuff commonly regarded as masterpieces by those in the know? TO be honest, I feel that almost all of the popular Prog is overrated to some extent (ie really meaning that I wish fewer people would rate the stuff). Much as I like Genesis, I honestly don't believe that Genesis deserves such a strong showing in the top ten. I understand why it works that way (though I'd rather it be set so only one album per band was listed). It's an album popularity list, not a best list. Think I'd better start heavily reviewing stuff like Arachnoid and Jacula albums under multiple nicks to get them into the top ten. Hahaha. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 15:40
I think all of this shows that Genesis simply has more appeal to the masses. Or maybe they are more accessible. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 16:29
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Well yeah, I'd say they have more appeal to the masses because they are more accessible -- better-known, so more people will hear of the band and so it's easier to get the band's albums. And easier to get into than many others which require more Prog priming to appreciate). Not one of the more complex bands, nor do I find the same virtuosity as in others (very capable though, and much better than most rock bands) I truly enjoy Genesis, but for me they were a primer (or a gateway) band -- a band that helped open the doors of Prog for me. While Genesis played a significant part in helping me to develop an appreciation for Prog, it's being exposed to other stuff that is likely to have much less mass-appeal and is much less popular that keeps me progging. On the other hand, I know there are many seasoned progheads who continue to hold Genesis (at least their classic Prog albums) in the highest esteem -- and not just for sentimental value. I still value Genesis' contribution to Prog even though I hardly consider them to be at the peak instrumentally (yes Firth of Fifth is very good); nor do I find Genesis to be one of the more exciting, adventurous bands out there from their period. Okay, I still get the occasional goosebump when I listen to the Lamia and the Cinema Show. It's no surprise that several of the most bland bands modelled themselves after (or were so influenced by) Genesis. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 16:38
I agree. I like Genesis, and have for years. Just listened to SEBTP yesterday. I don't consider them to be the best Prog band ever. Yes, ELP, and KC are much closer to that title, IMO. The only thing that set Genesis apart was Gabriel's theatrics, singing and on stage. His dry humor didn't hurt their march to Prog God status.
But you mentioned bland bands modeling themselves after Genesis. Amen to that! I've heard a few Genesis wannabes and they didn't impress me much. (Ugh...I just sounded like Shania Twain). -------------
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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 17:05
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I really love that Genesis period, one of the best of the prog music history... But I sincerely don't think that fact makes Genesis the "best prog band ever". There are a lot of prog bands that deserves that appreciation besides Genesis... ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 17:58
I agree! Me too! Good band, very important historically, and that's all! ------------- Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 09 2007 at 18:25
I concur. Yes, ELP, and King Crimson are heavier hitters. Genesis may be the most obviously modelled after band in PA (Gabriels theatrics, Banks keyboards etc.), but when bands have modelled themselves after Genesis, it's often been so superficially theatrical -- style over substance. Rather than improving on the formula and advancing it (technically, harmonically), it's diluted; bland. Poseurs aplenty. Since Genesis isn't the most obviously virtuosic of bands, and are very theatrical, they provide an easier template to follow. I like expertise when it comes to musicianship and always hope that an inspiree will go beyond that which he or she is drawing inspiration from both technically and artistically -- the music will be more sophisticated, requiring more instrumental skill and greater compositional expertise/ knowlege as well as interesting experimentation for others to draw inspiration from and improve on. Now King Crimson, ELP, and Yes have also been incredibly influential, and using those bands for inspiration has led to much more inspirational music in my opinion (okay, Starcastle must be mentioned, but I rather like Starcastle - erm). For instance, King Crimson was a very innovative band, and those MANY bands that draw on KC tend to also be very innovative and exciting. Emerson is a masterful musician of rock who brought the classical influence to the forefront of rock (lifted and utilised many classical compositions). Ultimately, I suspect that the musicians in the bands you mentioned are more musicians musicians, and the bands are more talented bands' bands.. That's not to say that Hackett, for instance, isn't very good, but... If I were a talented musician in a band that wanted to make innovative/ Proggy music, I'd be looking more to King Crimson, Yes, and ELP for inspiration (especially KC for me). If spectacle and drama was more important to me (if I was more of a stagey person), well, I'd dress up as a flower and emote. Then I might do Emerson theatrics too -- stick daggers in my organ -- OWWW! (dude, that's no way to treat your instrument). ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 16:10
| Definitely not the best, but Genesis is way better than Yes, King Crimson, and Pink Floyd, and a bit better than ELP. |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 16:19
Well of course harmonically KC was a monster. But I don't believe Genesis should be underrated harmonically because they are very complex in that matter as well, (which should not be measured by how many atonal, 7ths, tritones or whatever chords you could fit before you put the "release" chord) and the theatrics for me are not the only forte that Genesis had. ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 17:43
Yes, Chus, I quite agree. While I don't find Genesis to be the most 'complex' or adventurous of Prog bands, that they were quite a complex rock band with talented musicians is not in doubt for me. A very capable harmonic band, though I believe the band members lack the structural (and instrumental) versatility of many other bands (harmonics, consonance, dissonance, texture, scales...). Beautiful harmonies, but not the most versatile when it came to employing different harmonic structures, or utilising other compositional techniques. I think they played it too safe -- weren't quite as adventurous or experimental as I would like. But I love classic Genesis just the same, and in the world of rock, their songs offer far more of an adventure than others -- they offer lovely twists and turns. That said, I hadn't intended to dismiss Genesis compositional skills/ techniques with that post, nor do I think in the least that the theatrics is all Genesis had -- even Gabriel had more than that.. What I am denigrating to an extent is the bands that tried to model themselves after Genesis -- and without the same level of talent. It is some of them, I think, who are focusing on the theatrics over much when Genesis was far more than that. It is they that I call diluted and bland. Rather than improving on Genesis groundwork, it is taken to a baser level (regresses in technicality and structural complexity rather than progresses). I must admit that I listen to Genesis more than KC (as I find it much pleasanter on the whole, and well, less challenging), but I far prefer bands that show a Crimsonian influence to those that have a Genesisian bent. KC is more adventurous, so I believe that more adventurous bands would look to KC much more. But just because I don't particularly think Genesis directly inspired the best music doesn't mean that I don't respect Genesis for their contribution to prog. Good band; not the best, but good. Very enjoyable stuff. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: King Zappa
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 19:23
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Nope, they are great. One of the greatest but they are not KC ------------- Good, Better, Best. Never let it rest, Till your Good be Better and your Better, Best |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: March 10 2007 at 19:31
| I voted no, but really mean MAYBE. They were really really really really friggin' good. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 00:15
I don't understand your comparing them to KC & the Sunshine Band ? You must mean KFC, right ? That is really not a fair comparison. I, for one, believe strongly that Genesis were the best prog band ever ... to include 5 guys named Peter, Phil, Tony, Mike, Steve & Mortimer. I might not know much about Art, but I know what I like ( in your wardrobe tonight) |
Posted By: prognose
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 01:04
Genesis were one of the best, but some of the lyrics and the singing can get a bit strange at times. I think Van der graaf were much better at strange vocals. Gabriels voice was becoming quite annoying on TLLDOB and I'm glad he left the band and Collins did a fine job for the rest of the 70s |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 01:14
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you're talking about the best era of prog so it's very difficult to name just one band or artist... plus, it;s a very subjective matter... anyway, i would have to say NO but don't ask me to pick any other band.. oh, alright, maybe Floyd... or Rush.. hmmm... no, no, don't ask... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: raindance2007
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 01:15
did floyd ever play a very complex tune? |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 01:16
does it really matter? ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: raindance2007
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 01:18
well they were too limited to be chosen the greatest prog band. They could only play mellow music because they didn't have the talent to take the next step |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 01:21
are you trying to pursuade me that PF are not prog or that they are not my fav 70's band? ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: raindance2007
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 01:40
Just saying there were several better prog bands |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 03:16
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I am a big Genesis from the second album to I can't dance and I think they are one the best progressive and pop-rock band of all time, but they they aren't the best progband ever.
If I have give to give the honor and privilege to any progressive rock band to best called" the best prog-rock band ever, It will have to be KING CRIMSON this band is the only one scene the very first days of prog that never ever stop making progressive music.This band had done and maybe created all the category of progressive rock that we have these days. If you in doubt revisited theirs full catalog. They Deserve that title ."Fipp is a Mr. prog-man.King Crimson ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 03:28
you see, my friend here lies the 'subjective' thing i mentioned before... what's yours, anyway? ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 13:47
Why, of course Logan. I perfectly understood your point, but reading your post reminded me of thread in a forum similar to this one (I read it about 4 months ago), in which some of the members, comparing Genesis to Yes, dismissed Genesis as "the punk of prog" or something of the like. I personally don't believe Yes is that much more complex than Genesis were (perhaps their style was more versatile, and not to start with their musicians). BTW if you want to check out a band that predominantly borrows from Genesis while still being very challenging, that band is the venezuelan Pig Farm On The Moon (although there's a bit more of early Hackett in there, but it's just the same anyway )------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: razifa
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 19:14
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My answer is a solid yes. Genesis is the best band of the seventies, there is no other band that composed music such way with their complex and defiant style.
Indeed we can listen their influences in many great bands from today... ------------- ********** **razifa** ********** |
Posted By: prognose
Date Posted: March 11 2007 at 19:21
Nursery cryme is a snoozer |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: March 12 2007 at 08:29
So is 'Tresspass'!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 12 2007 at 14:45
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Chus, a great recommendation. I'm actually somewhat familiar with Pigs on the Moon -- when I was particularly into exploring South American Prog after discovering the greatness of various bands from the continent (from Argentina, Brazil, and Chile particularly, I looked into the band (they had songs for download at their now misappropriated band site as I recall), and loved it. I never got around to purchasing an album as..., well, money issues. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I observed before. It can be much like that with music for me; immersed in experiencing the moment. |
Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: March 12 2007 at 19:46
Definitely not the best , but maybe the worst.
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: March 13 2007 at 13:59
You should really get those (as soon as money starts rolling that is )------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 13 2007 at 14:15
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I'll stick my proverbial nose into this & state unequivocally that objectively speaking the "best" prog band ever are Pink Floyd. How can "I" be objective ? Well, objectivitiy should be measurable, i.e. numbers. PF have buried all other prog bands in sales, along with most other "rock" bands & artists. This is just from a numbers viewpoint. Subjectively speaking, John Goaway & the Commebackheres were the best prog group. They were prevented from releasing their symphillitic/espace/sauerkraut/arriere-garde/jazz-confusion/riodejaneiro masterpiece "WHERE?" by the rest of the industry (artists included, there are rumours that a certain Peter G & Phil C did not want J G & C's genius to detract from more important issues such as which is the best Genesis era?). Of course, this lack of an actual existing album, & the fact that they are absolutely as obscure as you can possibly be means that they "are" the undeniably utmost talented & greatest group to have (n)ever existed as their audience can be counted on the fingers of a beluga whale, which is none. P.S. I have heard rumours (not the album, which I have), that John Goaway may be attempting a solo comeback despite pleas not to. The Comebackheres, though, are saying no go & insisting they will stay where they are, which is elswhere until the missing "e" is found . |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: March 13 2007 at 14:17
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One word: Yes. ------------- sig |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: March 13 2007 at 14:19
A "Rock In RIO" masterpiece
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