your ranked prog subgenres
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Topic: your ranked prog subgenres
Posted By: greenback
Subject: your ranked prog subgenres
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 13:19
sorted in order of preference:
1 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#4 - Symphonic Prog
2 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#6 - Prog Folk
3 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#18 - Neo Progressive
4 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#28 - Italian Prog
5 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#12 - Canterbury Scene
6 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#30 - Fusion
7 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#11 - Zeuhl
8 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#15 - Space/Experimental
9 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#19 - Progressive Metal
10 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#31 - Rock-in-Opposition http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#17 -
11 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#3 - Art Rock
12 http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp#17 - Kraut Rock
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 14:10
1. Neo progressive Arena, Marillion, Pendragon, IQ
2. Symphonic prog Yes, Genesis, Camel
3. Art rock Supertramp, Rush, Peter Gabriel
4. Space experimental Pink Floyd, Eloy, Gong
5. Prog metal Symphony X, Angra, Threshold, Ayreon, Uriah Heep
6. Prog Folk Jethro Tull, Moody Blues (not really folk, but I always labelled them as such)
7. Zeuhl Magma, only Zeuhl band I really know
8. Italian prog Banco, PFM, know to little from them, still under evaluation
9. Canterbury Caravan
10. Fusion Know to little about
11. krautrock Don't know it
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Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 14:15
I try not to pay attention to the subgenres
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Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 16:19
Symphonic, Folk, Canterbury, Kraut, Space, Italian, RIO, Fusion, Art Rock, Prog Metal, Zeuhl, Neo Prog
something like that
Aaron
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 17:21
Sub-genders are very taboo.they get very mis used.
Ifind bands like ELP,GENESIS,King Crimson,YES etc to be true prog.
I mainly listern to bands such as Ian Carr/Nucleus,Ben,Keith Tippett band.I class these as progressive jazz.
I also bash a lot of Spring,Cressida etc which i class as pastorial prog.
It's actually impossible to place a style to a certain band.


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Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 17:43
The subgenres are indeed misleading and IMO pretty stupid. It started in the US since most kids over there had no idea about progressive rock anyway. Unfortunately the press in GB took the lead up and copied the subgenres. So now we have kids talking about Neo-Prog and Italian Prog against Metal Prog. For Christs sake...dont use this subgenre classification as a guide, you'll end up knowing less than before..
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 18:23
I don't have a preference for one subgenre or another but my favourite bands according to their subgenre are :
fusion (jazz-rock or metal) : Bruford, Brand X, Dixie Dregs, Spastic Ink, Planet X, Borne, Gotic, SBB, Deus ex Machina
Symphonic prog : Genesis, Yes, Camel, Sebastian Hardie/Windchase/Mario Millo, Klaatu, Gordon Giltrap, Gryphon, Spock's beard, Shaun Guerin
Neo-Prog : Marillion, IQ/Martin Orford, Colin Bass, Clepsydra, It bites, Big big train, Saga, Echolyn, IZZ, Tony Banks
Folk-prog : Jethro Tull, Clannad, Renaissance, Rebekka, Harmonium, Vermilion sand, Magdalena (the spanish band, not the japanese), Haizea, Maddy Prior, Iona, Sally Oldfield
Hard-prog : King Crimson, a little bit of VDGG
Continental prog (South America, Spain, Italy, Cuba) : Cai, Triana, Pablo el Enterrador, Bacamarte, Tempano, Los Jaivas, Le Orme, Celeste, Banco, PFM, Cuarto Menguante, Crack, Sagrado, Locanda delle fate, Som nosso de cada dia, Sintesis
Art-rock/pop : Supertramp, 10CC, Manfred Mann's earthband, Kate Bush, David Bowie, Peter Gabriel
Classical prog : ELP, The Enid
Electronic/ambient/New Age : Mike Oldfield, Synergy, Patrick Forgas, Kit Watkins, Eddie Jobson, Marcus Viana
Metal-prog : DT, Queensryche, Fates Warning, PoS, A piedi nudi, Aghora, Threshold, Enchant
Canterbury : Happy The Man, National health
RIO : Hardscore (at least the only track I have heard from them)
Zeuhl : Magma
Pomp-prog : Rush, Kansas
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 18:25
I should point out that the difference between the first six of these is infinitesimally small…
1. Canterbury Scene
2. Italian Prog
3. Symphonic Prog
4. Rock-in-Opposition
5. Zeuhl
6. Kraut Rock
7. Prog Folk
8. Fusion
9. Space/Experimental
10. Art Rock
11. Progressive Metal
12. Neo Progressive
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 18:25
Sorry, I forgot the space-rock area :
Pink Floyd/Rick Wright, Gong, Eloy, Riverside
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 18:25
Lunarscape wrote:
The subgenres are indeed misleading and IMO pretty stupid. It started in the US since most kids over there had no idea about progressive rock anyway. Unfortunately the press in GB took the lead up and copied the subgenres. So now we have kids talking about Neo-Prog and Italian Prog against Metal Prog. For Christs sake...dont use this subgenre classification as a guide, you'll end up knowing less than before..
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I am American and i was in high school in the 70's and as far as I remember it was all Rock music here in the states. I didn't hear the word progressive till about 1975. I didn't even hear of half of these terms till I started logging into forums such as these. 
Do you mean Americans didn't know about the Beatles and Moody Blues and King Crimson and the Nice? I have a poster from the Filmore West in Aug 1969 Which has The Nice and King Crimson on the same bill so that can't be right. The reason people don't think the United States had or knew about progressive rock was because American bands are far under represented in the 1970's. I counted in Jerry Lucky's book over 100 american progressive music bands to the year 2000. Only 15 were pre 1980. Now I asked in a few forums sites who could remember local progressive bands from the 70's and I now have a list of almost 100 bands that never were signed. These answers to that question are 30 years after the fact and I am sure there were a lot more than that. (There were 15 bands in the area from Los Angeles to San Diego alone. Not one ever received a contract) That being the case progressive rock was very well known and represented in the US just not signed and produced by the powers that be.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 18:47
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 18:58
I don't usually go by subgenres but ill put the ones that seem to be my favorite
Symph prog, art rock, fusion.
(neo prog is the same as symph prog to me.)
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 19:09
- Symphonic Prog: Genesis, Yes
- Space: Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, Amon Duul
- Italian Synphonic: PFM, Le Orme, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso
- Classical Prog: ELP, The Nice
- Psychedelia: Arthur Brown, Pink Floyd
- Folk Prog: Renaissance, Jethro Tull, Strawbs
- French Theatrical Symphonic: Ange, Mona Lisa
- Canterbury: Caravan, Soft Machine, Hathfield and the Noth
- Prog Metal: Uriah Heep, Fantomas
- Dutch Euro Prog: Focus, Supersister, Finch
Also some Fusion and a bit of Art Rock, the only sub genre I don't like is Neo Prog (Except Pendragon).
Iván
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Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 19:33
i dont see how subgenres are a bad thing
Aaron
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 12 2005 at 22:26
Aaron wrote:
dont see how subgenres are a bad thing |
Agree 100% with you Aaron, nothing that can help us understand the similarities and differences of different bands, sounds, styles, influences can't make any harm, this helped me to understand better some bands and sounds.
Iván
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 14 2005 at 11:23
Reed Lover wrote:
This is the most boring poll in existence!
And Garion stop taking offence for a whole nation!
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We get a bad rap I tell ya!!!!!
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Posted By: arkitek
Date Posted: March 14 2005 at 12:59
main ones: (not in order)
Progressive Metal
Neo Prog
Folk Prog
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 14 2005 at 13:04
Garion81 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
This is the most boring poll in existence!
And Garion stop taking offence for a whole nation!
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We get a bad rap I tell ya!!!!!
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yeh,rap,country&western,and MTV!

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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 14 2005 at 13:47
Reed Lover wrote:
Garion81
And Garion stop taking offence for a whole nation!
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We get a bad rap I tell ya!!!!!
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yeh,rap,country&western,and MTV!

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yeh,rap,country&western,and MTV!

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How about Rappin' C&W on MTV?

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