Do foreign vocalists ruin your prog experience?
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Topic: Do foreign vocalists ruin your prog experience?
Posted By: profanatio
Subject: Do foreign vocalists ruin your prog experience?
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:11
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Hey guys, I've been reading a lot of reviews on this site and a lot of CD's are getting 4 and 5 stars that have female vocalists, german vocals, italian vocals, Spanish vocals etc... I sincerely wish I could be that accepting and get beyond it but I really seem to need my Prog sung in english. No matter how good the music is, as soon as the non english vocals come in it drops the whole vibe for me. Perhaps I haven't heard the right stuff? How do you guys feel about it? Do you actually seek out foreign vocals or do you just endure it in order to have good music? ------------- Mike |
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:14
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Hummmm... "English" is foreign for me... what about "non-English"? ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:17
| Well, perhaps I'm not the right person to ask... Even though I don't like Italians who sing in English if they have a thick accent, I do think you speakers of English should try to be a bit more open-minded. I don't mean to sound judgmental or even confrontational, but as a speaker of five languages, and one who has met people from all over the world throughout her life, this attitude (though I am quite sure it is not conscious) smacks just a little bit of chauvinism. |
Posted By: ES335
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:19
The level of ignorance evident in this post is just appaling. Have you even noticed that a sizeable percentage of the posters on this site are not from the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland or Australia? Given the demographics of the site, one would think that by "foreign" you mean "alien" as in from another planet.
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profanatio wrote:Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:20
| Why did you include women? Is it because they are from Venus? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:22
Well, this is how us foreigners are called by the US authorities when we seek to immigrate there... The spouse of a US citizen is called an 'alien relative'.... Which means that, in a way, we really are from another planet. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:24
English is foreign to me too.. I was educated in the south.... *cymbal crash* ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: ES335
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:28
That's why I defined alien as from another planet. Here in the US we called illegal immigrants illegal aliens (I can't remeber if it is 80's Genesis or solo Phil Collins with the song of that title) so I extended the definition to avoid confusion.
Why would you want to move here? I've been to Italy, it's better in almost every way.
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:30
Seconded (and  to Micky - cymbal crashes are so unprog  ).On topic: in general, vocals to me are just part of the music - of the melodic mix. I hardly ever listen to the lyrics in prog (unless I have the lyric sheet available) - which is probably a shame for all the great symbolism and the story behind epics, but it's the way it works for me. Two exceptions: first, I get annoyed by singers who clearly have not mastered English language and still try to sing in it. Second, Premiata Forneria Marconi should never have re-released their early works in English on Photos of Ghosts - it simply didn't work out. Still - I see your point here, and it's food for a good discussion. Keep it coming! ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:30
Life in Italy is not good as it seems from outside - and then, I have a reason called love. You're new here, so you are forgiven for not knowing  ... I suppose my other half is going to post here quite soon. |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:30
I believe that's a contradiction.  So was I.  |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:30
I don't suppose you've read any of my reviews... for the foreign language lyrics... I just treat the vocals as another instrument... as many english speaking groups could be as well. Jon Anderson's.. even Geddy's singing is ESSENTIAL to the music. Could give a sh*t about what kind of mumbo jumbo Yes were singing about .. or the crappy sci-fi sh*t Rush did. It is all about the music.. . if I want to know what they are singing about.. I'll get someone to translate it for me. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:33
That goes for yours as well - I'm sorry to say. Language is a difficult thing and a big issue for some people. It may very well be that the poster did not even recognise the flaw in the thread title when posting. There are other ways and words to get your message across here, Mr. ES335.... ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:33
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I actually prefer Kobaian vocalists to English ones.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:34
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Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:36
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Whats the language sigur ros sing in? Cause it rocks! French vocals arent bad either. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:39
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Personally, I am not big on lyrics. Thus, I really don't care what language the singer sings in, though I am partial to whatever the vocalists native tongue is. For instance, PFM. The vocals sound natural and full when sung in Italian. On their English sung songs, they sound thin, silly and cartoonish. When it comes to singing in English as a second language, I think the Swedish and German do it the best. But, again, I am partial to native tongues.
I particularly like the vocals used on the first 2 Bondage Fruit albums, which are sung with no words at all. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:40
I often wish I knew Italian so I could understand my PFM and Banco records, but the vocals on both are so sublime I doubt I'd ever focus on the lyrics even if I knew them. I don't understand the words in opera, but I'm always up for beautiful singing. I don't see how it could ruin the whole thing for you, unless you don't like the singer's voice.
What's this? A kind word for Rush. Oh dear, she's broken him.
Well, not quite. |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:40
As far as I know, they sing in their native language, Icelandic. @Rileydog: only one answer to that statement Da Zeuhl Wortz Mekanďk! ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:43
| I guess you don't like opera then, since Italian or German may be a problem. While English is definitely the preferred form for Rock , the main point of prog is to be open-minded.I remember seeing Gentle Giant in Montreal playing to 4,000 fans , the majority speaking only French? Gentle Giant.......hmmmm . I am fortunate to have learned 7 languages very young , so I have no problem with Ange, Novalis, East, Cast, Via Lumini , Tantra etc... It's better to have them sing in their native language than having to suffer through thickly accented (hence wildly distorted) English, nicht war? |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:45
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Don't mind vocals in whatever language, whatever accent, whatever gender...it just tends to be that the most bands I listen to are English speaking males
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Posted By: profanatio
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:55
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Well first of all, I didn't intend on offending anyone with the topic of this thread. I've got absolutely nothing against non english speaking (or singing) people.
But if I dont like non english vocals in my music that is my right personal taste and cannot be argued with nor does that make me some kind of "ugly American" or a closed minded person because I only speak one language and prefer to hear music in that language. The prog I grew up with in the 70's was sung all in english and not only does it sound better to me but I actually do place an importance on the lyrics and want to know what is being sung about. Those of you posting here from other non english speaking countries have it nice. You can understand english vocals as well as those in your native tongue. Most of us Americans cannot speak French, German or Italian. ------------- Mike |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:58
exactly.... that is something that I do shake my head in wonder about around here. Prog is the music form that demands the listener TO be open-minded. Raff and I were just talking today in relation to the hate and venom some have towards Prog Metal .. that some here who claim to be fans or prog rock.. are really as close minded as the fools who heap abuse on prog for all kinds of perceived excesses and effronteries to common musical decency. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:05
OK, your first post wasn't really offensive, just a little silly and kind of badly worded. THIS post is offensive. Did you ever consider that the people here from non-English countries maybe had to work hard to learn another language, and that we Americans are lazy (the best I can do is stumble through a conversation in French)? Also, there is no need to get defensive because people don't agree with you. You DO come off as close minded when you say you can't listen to "foreign" singers (or women, still trying to figure that one out). And how is a German better equipped to listen to Italian prog, or vice-versa? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:07
^ all very true Mike.. but read your iniital post.... what is said between the lines.. especially here.. is taken more for what you actually say... mentioning that albums are rated 4 or 5 stars... then going into the problems you have with foreign lyrics and styles of singing COULD be interpreted as you saying that unless they are easier understood.. then they should not be rated so high. Ie. That english album with pleasing vocals are the only ones worthy of being rated so high. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:08
The main point of prog is to be a musical genre. I think there are quite a lot of open-minded music fans who hate prog. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:08
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We should take the question at face value here, and not get tied down in politics. The person starting the thread's first language is English, but he did not ask "do you prefer English?" His question is equally valid no matter what your first language is. Indeed, given that the language of many (but by no means all) of our top bands here is English, do those whose first language is not English have a preference between hearing prog in their own language or in English?
Also, can we talk specifically about preferences as they relate to prog here.
I must admit, personally it frustrates me not to understand what the words mean when I hear a song. Some vocalist can be very emotional, as can some lyrics, and I feel I am missing out by not appreciating the message.
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Posted By: cynthiasmallet
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:11
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Only Thijs Van Leer.... ------------- Would you like to watch TV, or get between the sheets, or contemplate the silent freeway, would you like something to eat? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:14
I think the real good foreign ones Bob.. like YS... hahahah... the message is in the emotion. You don't need a translation.. the message is in the tortured nature of the singing and the music. lyrics are nice.. but prog was about musical exploration. Prog is not exactly known for stellar lyricism.. if you want that.. try pop music. IMO to quote the average Rush fan.... .who listens to Rush for the lyrics anyway.. we just want to hear them boys play them geetars and drums ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: profanatio
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:25
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Posted By: Easy Livin
We should take the question at face value here, and not get tied down in politics THANK YOU!! I meant no offense and am not being critical or judgmentel of anyone in any way. Maybe I worded it wrong but you certainly could read between the lines to know what I was getting at in my original post. ES335, you seem intent on being offended by anything I say even when I'm trying to clarify my postion. What can I say? If all of King Crimson and ELP's songs were sung in another language it would drop my listening expereince down a notch or two because I like to know whats being sung about. As far as women go, they can sing whatever they please. I prefer (prefer being the operative word) my prog music to be sung by male singers. I'll assume that most guys feel the same way since prog (especially the more complex and dark) does seem to be a mans territory. Am I being politically incorrect? Sorry! I'll end by saying that I am aware that there are prog bands out there with female singers and I'm quite sure some of them are very good. I just prefer a man to do the singing. ------------- Mike |
Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:26
Well said, Ghost Rider!! There is literally a whole world of prog music out there for those who are prepared to open their mind to music sung in other languages other than English. Many of my favourite bands, for example, Phoenix, don't necessarily sing in English, nor should they be obliged to do so. In fact I would prefer it if non - English bands didn't because I think that one can express oneself better emotionally in one's mother tongue and this is transfered to the quality of the vocals.
My native tongue is English, I just happen to live in Greece, and I also speak 5 languages. Often I am affected emotionally by the music and the vocals in a different language to my own, and will make an effort to understand it better: lyrics in many different languages are available over the internet. This is no different to what many people for whom English is a foreign language do all the time.
Here in Greece the attitude prevails that one can only listen to rock or prog in English. Other languages sound harsh or strange to their ears. How sad!! They are closing the doors to great music. Recently I have been trying to introduce new prog to friends but they don't want to know if it's not in English. I don't really understand this because English is also a foreign language to them.
To all those who only want to listen to English: When you listen to vocals in other languages, don't you hear the music? ------------- http://www.last.fm/group/Progressive+Folk |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:28
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i prefer foreign vocalists because almost every lyric writer in the world sucks that and I prefer cute japanese voices in particular ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:29
sure it is your preference to prefer male singing... but when you edge into the shades of 'man's territory' vs. 'a woman's place' It will be the peference of others to a) tear you a new one.. b) lose respect for you. Or both. It won't be me but can't speak for others. You got off to a good start here.... whether you care or not to keep that ... is up to you. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: profanatio
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:35
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To all those who only want to listen to English: When you listen to vocals in other languages, don't you hear the music?
Yes but a band spends just as much time or at least A LOT of time working on lyrics in order to make that particular piece of music complete. Should the piece not be appreciated for that? Why would bands like ELP and Crimson have hired Pete Sinfield to write lyrics for them if the lyrical content was not important in conveying the message of the song? Lyrics conjure imagery. Very important in prog music! Otherwise why not just sing Dee dee doo doo dah dah dee throughout the songs since its just the music thats important? ------------- Mike |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:35
I agree with Micky that by saying you believe that prog is "man's territory" is why people aren't responding happily to your thread. Sure most of my favorite singers are men, but that's only because of the limited number of women in rock. I love me some Heart, Billie Holiday, Janis Joplin, Aretha Franklin, and many others, but the sheer number of guys means I listen to more male vocalists. I prefer neither; I just look for good voices. I don't think you're trying to start anything (and if I did, you've said you aren't), but you can't say things like prog is man's territory and expect positive feedback. |
Posted By: profanatio
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:45
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Easy livin says..
sure it is your preference to prefer male singing... but when you edge into the shades of 'man's territory' vs. 'a woman's place' It will be the peference of others to a) tear you a new one.. b) lose respect for you. Or both. It won't be me but can't speak for others. You got off to a good start here.... whether you care or not to keep that ... is up to you. Ok, first off all I said nothing about "A womans place". The statement that I did make is based upon not only my own feeling but what has been conveyed to me by many female friends over the years that know my preference for prog. Over the years they have all said the same thing.. "Oh that stuff is just for guys" or " Stop trying to get me in to your music!! Chicks dont like that kind of music" and many other variations on those themes. My apologies to any females here who may have been tweaked by my remark. But now ask your self.. would you prefer that the vocals to all of your favorite prog CD's be wiped out and replaced by female vocalists? ------------- Mike |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:45
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I guess I've come to actually like certain foreign lyrics... in fact, since I don't require lyrics (though i like good ones), I don't usually mind not understanding the language |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:46
| Ah, back in anti-spam zone. Foreign vocals can be good. Harmonium makes it work very well. If it's too heavily accented then it's kind of annoying. Banco gets kind of like that sometimes. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:51
I really hope I won't offend you by this (and if you take offense, please accept my sincere apologies), but your statement seems very anglocentric, perhaps bordering on a kind of "imperialism", to me. The English language should not have "monopoly" on rock music, let alone progressive rock music. Other languages have other poetic/lyrical traditions as well as "exotic" linguistic features (like syntax or phonology), which can be very rewarding to get insights into. i can imagine that prog sung in Mandarin would be very interesting, for instance, and I know that prog sung in Portuguese, French and Danish is interesting to listen to. It's really a shame that the English language is so dominant in (prog) rock that listening to other languages has to be described as having to "endure". I hope I didn't offend you, and if I did, then I'm sorry. ------------- This user has left the PA fora, but will occasionally post reviews so as to support artists. |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:54
Of course not. However, that's not a valid point because I don't want my CDs wiped and replaced with any vocalists, male or female. You attribute the band with that singer, so you identify the lyrics with that voice. Even when vocalists change, they bring a new sound to older material when played live. Rarely, it sounds as good as the OG version and it sounds better even less. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:54
Mike.. my point is... from having seen it time and time again.. is people will put words in you mouth if you are not clear and as you note.. .your posts are not clear. What I have posted twice now is how the first came across.. and how the second would have.. if you speak of a 'man's terittory... then it stands to mean.. even if you don't come and and directly say it.. that there is a place for women. As I said... with all the different language, cultures, and yadda ya around this forum.. if you are not clear in your posts.. most likely you WILL be misunderstood. as far as your question.... could give a sh*t.. .as long as it matches the music.. have heard female vocalist that match the music from the light to the heavy.. to the spacey. It doesn't really matter to me. I listen to prog for the music.. if a 'singer's' singing fits the music.. .it could be a goddamned transvestite for all I care. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 17:54
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constructive advice re: semantics
"prog is a man's territory"
= (translated by Jimmy Row at the Institute for misunderstood American White Men) most of the prog I have heard over the years is sung by male vocalists, so I have grown to prefer them...but I would be glad to give female singers a chance to grow on me, it's just that I'm not used to them. ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:00
quite |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:05
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Now about the OT (had to think for a minute about my experience): When you come from a position of unfamiliarity with the expanses of culture and languages throughout the world (eg. me and probably you) it takes a good deal of time and effort to understand and appreciate such things that permeate the music...especially the singing. I have a hard time listening to Skandanavian and German vocals because I've never even heard the languages spoken before, and they sound much different than my native English. But if I began listening to a lot of German music, I would soon become familiar with the sounds, dialects, and pronounciations...and following it would be easier. Music is like food - the more repititions/opportunities you give something, the more appealing you start to see it. So I would say to just give it time....I'll go back to one of my favorite bands: Le Orme...the first time I heard them I thought the vocals sounded like Sting with constipation and I was frustrated that I didn't know what the heck was going on. As Micky said, you begin to focus more on the instrumentation and see the vocals as instruments in themselves...I also think it helps if you can search for translations and reviews that talk about the subject matter to particular albums. I know there are many out there specifically for Italian groups. ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: profanatio
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:06
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I agree with Micky that by saying you believe that prog is "man's territory" is why people aren't responding happily to your thread
No offense to anyone on this board because I really like you all, you've all been very gracious and helpful to me and I LOVE it here but why should I have to post to get people to "respond happily" to my threads? Is it not ok on this forum to toss around what might be politically incorrect ideas or opinions that might offend others as long as its not done in a mean spirited way? I will NEVER say anything on this board in a rude, crude or disrespectful manner but isnt prog music in many ways about putting forth musical ideas that shake people up and create intense emotional reaction? Why should conversation be any different? I have realized in writing this post that I wimped out in a previous post and backed down on something I feel strongly about so that people wouldnt be pissed at me and I want to correct that by saying ........ face melting Hammond B-3 solos, blazing "end of the world" mellotrons underneath dark distorted angular guitar riffs with rhythm sections pounding out incomprehensible time signatures within the context of a 30 minute apocolyptic epic is a MANS world. Will I now lose the respect of this board for my opinion? ------------- Mike |
Posted By: ES335
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:08
I do apologize if I worded this perhaps a bit strongly. That said, not recognizing the obvious is more or less the nature of ignorance. It seems pretty obvious this is an international environment.
As to the misogyny issue some have brought up. The reality is, prog is predominatly if not exclusively a male domain. I wonder what it is about this music that turns women away? Sometimes it's easy to tell, there virtuousity does seem to get into "mine is bigger than your" ego trip territory. On the other hand, Jon Anderson seems like he should be a chick magnet, Marrilion seems very sensitive, Tangerine Dream and other electroic bands have some truly gorgeous music. Something to think about...
And for the women who are here, what is it about prog you lie? And why don't your sisters or friends like it?
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Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:10
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Mike: I'll say one more thing and then go away... you must ask yourself WHY this makes it a "man's world"....why can't it be a world for everyone? There shouldn't be constrictive gender roles where men aren't accepted into certain places and women aren't accepted into others. ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:18
| No, not really. If it is like operatic and crap...I can't stand it. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:18
to cut to the chase... I hope not, there have been more thought provoking discussion in your threads recently that most the recycled sh*t floating around here.. but that is the risk of bringing such delicate subjects like this up... you don't know how people will react. Whether you chose to accept it or not.. it is a politically correct world.. you can live safely within it.. or risk offending people or losing said respect ... or gaining it... by living outside of it by bringing such topics up. Male singers are the vast majority of prog singers.. we all know it on some level.... and accept it... where problems happen is my making issues of it. That is what you did here. After the genie has been let out... who is to say where it goes. That is the danger of overanalzing things... some thing are just best alone. Some people perfer male vocals.. most don't care and have never given it a second thought. It is all personal preference.. .same as the notion of foreign vocals in you original post. Not sure if I am making any sense.. trying to burn my dinner in the oven here. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:26
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maybe the 'man's world' statement was meant to be like James Brown's; a sad observation... but Mike, it simply may not be true, I've known many women who absolutely love Tull, Yes, Floyd, King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, etc..., so it hurts when you suggest women don't appreciate these things besides, it really is in the wording.. some humble respect goes a long, long way  |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:30
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For me, it usually depends on the singer, not on the language they sing in. I quite enjoy PFM's early albums for example, but I believe the singing style (in the original Italian versions) is their weak point, not because my Italian is hopeless (I listen to a lot of opera which I can follow quite a bit) but because the vocalists sound terribly lazy and (in my view) rather undistinguished. On the other hand, I don't understand a word of Indonesian, and I can only guess at the real meaning of Discus's best songs, but these sound incredibly exciting because the vocalists (especially Nonni, their female singer) are thrilling!
By the way, I don't know if many people will agree, but I've always thought German was a really cool language for rock! I adore Can, and Novalis' "Wer Schmetterlinge lachen hört" just KILLS me. (Not to mention Bap, Nena or even Udo Lindenberg! )
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:31
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Well I can like lyrics in other languages if the music is good, or when lyrics arn't as important for example Krautrock. However I have tried to get into Itallian Symphonic and can't because as great as the voices are (some of the nicest I have heard) I feel that I am missing somthing, especially when the music quiets down and simples up obviosly so I can pay attention to the words, and I dont understand them. Oh, and I don't feel that prog is "mans territory" I for one almost always perfer a womans voice to a mans voice, it has that feminine quality that just draws me in, Infact this is one of the reasons why I like Curved Air and Mostly Autemn and Renaisance so much. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: profanatio
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 18:34
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I've known many women who absolutely love Tull, Yes, Floyd, King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, etc..., so it hurts when you suggest women don't appreciate these things
Sorry, I keep forgetting to say that when I make a blanket statement, its a given that there are ALWAYs exceptions to the rule. ------------- Mike |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 19:10
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Last sunday I was at a Marillion concert and there were (at least in my perception) more women, or at least as many women as men in the audience which was >1000 people... Then again, I went to a lot of prog metal concerts, and there always the men are dominant... Maybe women (generally speaking) don't like the more brutal and/or extreme technical music, but "kick" more on melody and harmony... ------------- To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica) |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 20:39
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To listen to english/male vocal bands only is to be missing out on a ton of incredible music. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 20:43
| I might be an odd man out here, but when I listen to prog in a different language, I think it would ruin it if I knew what they were saying. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 21:03
I'm with you there! Sure the lyris are important in music but someone also mentioned how lyrics conjure up images. For me, I think they conjure up more images when I don't know what they are saying, or only have a vague idea. If I knew the substance of it, it might actually be more constricting. The voice is primarily an instrument for my listening pleasure. I wouldn't want them to always sing doo doo da da because I can tell that is not lyrics in any language! I also don't have much problem withj accented vocals in English if that is the language a singer chooses to use. As far as male and female vocals, my answer to that would be, yes. Meaning that I like it best when they are together in the same song |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 22:00
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Hmmm... In a word: Nope!
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 22:23
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No, not at all. In fact most of my music has lyrics sung in English. And I don't see as a real problem not knowing clearly what the song talks about; I'm just accustommed to it, and like it very much. AND YOU GOT TO SEE THIS (which is, btw, very on topic)!!!!!!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOPKMeCeO58 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOPKMeCeO58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mac_dD_1DEA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mac_dD_1DEA ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">  
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 23:09
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For what it is worth Profanatio I feel your pain. I have posted the same comment multiple times in my time here on PA regarding non-English vocals. I realize that it is my loss that I don't enjoy prog music with vocals in a non-English language, but I am an odd duck in that I feel that it is important that I understand what is being sung. Which means that I agree with your comment regarding the lyrics being part of the entire listening experience.
And to Micky, I used to think you were a good guy, after all you are a Tigers fan, but with your comments regarding Rush you might as well be a Yankees fan.
I am not sure why Profanatio is being crucified for stating a fact that prog fans are predominantly men, and prog musicians and singers are predominantly men. For me, I find the voices of Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Barbara Streisand and Celine Dion (none prog) to be excruciatingly painful, and yet they are widely regarded as being some of the best singers in the world. However, as few as they might be, there are some pretty good female singers in prog. I like the female vocals in bands like Ayreon, Mostly Autumn, Paatos, and Stream of Passion (plus others, but none coming to mind at the moment). ------------- 
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Posted By: profanatio
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 23:33
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Rushfan4 says: but I am an odd duck in that I feel that it is important that I understand what is being sung. Which means that I agree with your comment regarding the lyrics being part of the entire listening experience
Yes. I'll go back to my original point about Pete Sinfield. He was hired to help ELP and Crimson to write some of the greatest surrealisitc lyrics in prog history. Doesnt that tell you how much importance these bands placed on what was being sung as well as what was being played? ------------- Mike |
Posted By: Flucktrot
Date Posted: December 16 2007 at 23:37
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I used to have an English-only criteria too...growing up in the US, including buying music from Wal-Mart and listening to your parents' classic rock stations will have that effect. Then I heard Harmonium, PFM, and Area, and the English-only criteria was a thing of the past. I guess you can't blame people too much for what they don't know...and I have to say that ProgArchives does a great job of educating and opening minds. ------------- Thank you, God of Rock, for this chance to kick ass |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 00:06
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Admittedly, there are some very bad prog lyrics that are in English that can ruin the listening experience also (including some of those Peter Sinfield lyrics, which I am not overly fond of). I haven't listened to too many bands that sing in non-English vocals, and those that I have listened to have been pretty good. I wouldn't say that the listening experience was "ruined" but it certainly wasn't as good as it might have been if I understood what was being sung (grant it, it is possible that if the lyrics were in English and were bad it would have lessened the listening experience also).
I can't speak for all US schools (private or public) and students but we are an English speaking nation, it is considered one of, if not the most, difficult languages to learn, and quite frankly too many US citizens don't even learn that correctly, let alone a foreign language. I hate to say this, but for the most part there has been no reason in the past for US citizens to learn another language for that reason. Not always, but it has been my experience that most multi-lingual speakers in the US, speak the other language that they were raised in in their home. In these cases there is a need that if you are going to speak to your parents or grandparents you need to speak the language that they speak. The more generations that have lived in the US however, the less likely that you will speak another language. Whereas, living in Europe, there is probably more of a likelihood that you are going to interrelate with neighboring countries and thus have a need to speak those languages also, and in most instances it is my understanding that English is generally taught to all students along with the native language. (I live in Michigan, which is on the border of a foreign country, Canada, but at least in that area of Canada the official language is English so other than ending sentences with "eh?" there is no need to learn a foreign language)
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 00:12
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To add to my previous post, I suppose that there is something to be said about "ignorance is bliss". Listening to something when I don't know what is being sung is kind of odd. I mean for all I know a band could be singing "I wanna be a terrorist because terrorism is great and I am so happy that those planes crashed into the Twin Towers". Or "dog poop, dog poop tastes so great, dog poop, dog poop, I just can't wait". Probably best that I don't know what is being sung, but I would feel awfully silly on the day that I find out that is what is being sung. Along with, of course, the typical "Stupid Americans". -------------
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Posted By: sean
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 00:14
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Though English is the only language I am proficient in, I prefer vocalists that sing in other languages. I just enjoy being able to take my own meaning from the sound of the words themselves. However, such artists are hard to find in these parts, so most of the albums I own are sung in English, though the internet is helping to change that. With English lyrics, I still do what I do with non-English ones though and disregard the words and pay attention to how they sound. |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 00:21
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This thread reminded me that I do listen to some non English speakers (or singers): Harmonium's vocalist may be the best part about that band, Serge or something (I feel stupid for not knowing this) Boredoms' vocals: I'm not sure these are Japanese, English, or any language at all sometimes (I hear "Vision Creation Newsun" chanted though) but the vocals SOUND Japanese, and it works perfectly for them for non prog: Boris' vocals aren't anything to call home about, but they get the job done, and are quite fitting and sometimes relaxing, like on Rainbow (I'm not 100% sure all the lyrics are in Japanese but it sure sounds like it) Rammstein....admittedly don't really listen to them that often, but the German edge adds something sinister to their music that would fall completely flat if it were just plain English...apparently one should not desire to know what their songs are about -------------
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 00:22
Serge Fiori.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 00:25
This is not the first time i read a similar comment and it bothers me a bit.
The whole world has to listen their Prog in English, some of us have the luck to understand it others not, but those who really care take their time, research and find translations.
I don't understand a word of Swedish, but I took my time to find English (not my native language either) translations, most of the world doesn't speak English, almost 25% of USA speaks Spanish, so it's time for English speakers to do at least a fraction of the effort we've done for years.
Please, even the question Do foreign vocalists ruin your prog experience? Is rude, foreign vocalists are singing in their language as British or USA vocalists sing in their language, they are not doing it to ruin your Prog experience, they are doing it because it's the language in which they can express better, if you don't understand them, it's not the fault of the vocalist as it's not the fault of Jon Anderson or Peter Gabriel if Latin Americans, Germans or Japanese don't understand them, you are ruining your prog experience for not understanding them or at least not doing a small effort to search for a translation.
What I hate is to listen an album like Photos of Ghosts, where amazing lyrics were butchered by Pete Sinfield in order to be accepted by the English speaking world.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 00:27
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When I was in Toronto this summer I tried finding something from Harmonium (thinking it would be easier since they are a Canadian band) however to no avail. I have never had the pleasure of visiting Montreal, where I think they might be easier to find. I have always heard that the natives are quite rude to those who don't speak French. Probably only a partial truth, but intimidating enough to keep me away. -------------
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Posted By: dedalus
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 00:46
i totally second ghost rider.
and even though i do not speak german, i find grobschnitt's german versions quite touching. as for the italian counterparts, i can't imagine banco or pfm any other way.
it's like saying magma's not worthy, because literally no one understands what they say.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 00:59
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It basically boils down to treating the vocals you don't understand not as lyrics (unless you care enough to research them for translations) as just another instrument. The music then becomes basically instrumental, whether it is or not. I don't know what the heck PFM are singing about (though I assume Italian is rather close to Spanish as a language because I hear similarities every now and then.)
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 01:05
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I'd like to change my answer. If I'm listening to a prog cd in my car and somebody pulls up next to me playing a Shakira CD louder than mine; then yes, a foreign vocalist would be ruining my prog experience.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 01:14
I agree, and if I'm listening Los Jaivas, Frágil, Flor de Loto or La Maquina de Hacer pájaros in my car and somebody pulls up next to me playing a Eminem, MC Hammer, Celine Dion or N'Sync CD louder than mine, then yes a foreign vocalist will also be ruining my Prog experience.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 01:41
 I meant to specify: unless I was driving through Colombia, In which case a domestic vocalist would be ruining my prog experience.
My experience in Germany was that most radio in public areas had UK or US pop playing. I guess that meant foreign vocalists were ruining my experience as a foreigner.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 01:48
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We are all citizens of the world! Foreignness is a foreign concept!
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 01:49
Bondage Fruit does exactly this...
and I love it
Very well put
And this post was just awesome
Personally, lyrics offer nothing to me in comparison to the actual musical compositions in progressive music. I treat even english vocals as another instrument. I find knowing lyrics ruins my listening more often than enhancing it (many cases of cheesy lyrics). I suppose then it's a personal taste thing, and personally, I enjoy not being restriced by the nationality (or sex
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 03:01
I am a woman, and the other half of the Heavy Prog team. The kind of music Mike described in one of his posts by saying it was a man's world is what appeals to me most. I am very likely an exception to a rule, but we shouldn't forget that kind of music doesn't appeal to most men either. My brother, who is a few years younger than me, has definitely mainstream tastes in music, and so have his friends, or many of my own friends (I only have one who is really into prog, though he likes the softer end of the spectrum). As I was one of the first people to respond to your post, I would like to apologise to you, Mike, if it was in any way strongly worded. Being a linguist by background, I know how essential the right wording can be, especially in situations such as a discussion board like this one - when all we can rely upon is the written word, and everything is open to misunderstanding. Even though your opinions could be seen as somewhat controversial, they have provided us with a wonderful opportunity for discussion, and thank heavens for that! |
Posted By: anthamatten
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 03:04
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I'm a native german speaker living in Switzerzland. I do talk to people also in French, Spanish and English. I once tried to learn Russian, but failed. The whole thread is very interesting because I can understand the thread starter quite well. When I listen to a german rock group singing in English I feel mostly bad. It gives me some weird feeling. If they sing in German it's ok. The same I feel with other languages. When Italian sing English I got problems to like it. When they sing in their native language, I like it. It's crazy: I'm not a native English speaker. I think this is due to the fact that a person that cannot pronounce and use a certain language properly is identified as an "alien". It is a person that wants to intrude into a cultural domain that this person is not belonging to. And this is supposed to raise such a strange (!) perception of the music as a whole. It is difficult to accept someone beforehand who is not speaking a language properly. This may cause the feeling of somebody who wants to creep in our own culture. This is what a foreigner would do in the first place when starting to speak to us. It has always that tinge of being suspect. We can call that "xenophobia" , the fear of the stranger. It's - I guess - a pretty normal behaviour of us all. But this rule is out of work for me when listening to the Beatles or Peter Gabriel. When they sing in English - I accept it immediately. English has always been a language with high prestige. For a German it comes from the post war trauma. We hated ourselves, but we liked everything coming from America or England, because they were winners and helped us getting on our feet again. The Beatles recorded 2 songs in German ("She loves you" (Sie liebt dich) and "I wanna hold your hand" (Komm gib mir deine Hand). Though it sounds not completely German (the translation is slightly odd and the voices have English accent) we all liked it very much. It was a good feeling that someone had chosen our language. Ok, they wanted to make money. But it also was a friendly statement. And this is what raised the sympathy in our ears. For me it sounded positive. - Peter Gabriel recorded at least 2 albums completely in German. It sounded well to my ears despite the somehow awkward accent. But I liked Gabriel beforehand as a magic singer of Genesis. So it didn't bother me at all to listen to his German accent. He was accepted because he was successful earlier. And he got sympathy therefore. And this might be a clue to understand this thread: there must be sympathy to accept someone's vocals, especially when not native. And: you need a lot of time to get acquainted to many languages. For us Germans all the eastern idioms are hard to digest, because of the different language familiy. Russian sounds very strange to us. But the more I keep touch with people from there the more I find the sound of the language appealing to me (I got to know a female russion opera singer recently). The personal link makes the sense. This process has to be continued. Of course I actually know that any other culture is as good as my own. The problem is only to accept it. And perhaps there music can be a link between different nations and cultures. We have to get to know them ! The faster the better. Since my English has grown better I also enjoy more the lyrics of Rock songs. It gives me a richer understanding of the music. "Eleanor Rigby" by the Beatles has always been a song that I didn't appreciate very much. But now - thanks to the new release on "Love" with the chamber orchestra from the very start - I follow the phrases much better than before. And I love this song now. Very strange. Just my two cents to the old prejudice, that woman don't like Prog: it seems to be true. But I can't find the reason for that. There is a kind of wall for women that separates music in to two parts: the agreeable and the unagreeable. It is sometimes a special sound (Moog Synthy or guitar sound) that pushes them out of the field, or a heavy rythm. Of course this would change if they would be accustomed to that stuff earlier in life. But my observation is that they tend more to melodic and harmonic music. Perhaps it is due to the genes. But I suppose it's due to the education. Even if it is due to the genes: why should we all be the same? The difference is appealing. Do you men like buying shoes every day? A. ------------- Be the one of my dreams |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 03:10
Stonie, please don't take it as a personal attack, but the statement I have bolded is proof of that typical American attitude that gets so much on European people's nerves. Italian and Spanish are both Romance languages, derived from Latin (as are French, Portuguese and Romanian, together with many other, less widespread languages) - which means they are very closely related, and to a certain extent mutually intelligible. Since Spanish is well on its way to becoming the US's second language (and in some parts of the country it definitely has), I think it would be important for you to know something about its roots. In the eyes of the average European, this lack of knowledge can amount to disregarding anything that goes on beyond your borders - hence the strong reactions to Mike's original post. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 03:45
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As I said earlier, please do not make this a political thread.
The original poster said that he preferred his prog in English because that was his first language. The question he asked though was "Do foreign vocalists ruin your experience."
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 03:46
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^ I knew of the "Romance Language" situation but was unsure of exactly which languages came from Latin. There is much speak of American ignorance (re: the "Ugly American" term) but what of European ignorance? I wouldn't expect a highly educated person like you, Raf, to be ignorant of past American history (which is EXCEEDINGLY less than that of European history, for obvious reasons) but I don't doubt the typical European teenager does not know some very basic things about American culture. There exists another term, a counterpart for the "Ugly American;" "Euro Trash." Neither are compliments, and we should recognize, in the context of this broad discussion, that all cultures are centered around themselves, and only recently (mainly with the internet, but it's a cumulative thing) non-cultural centeredness the norm. We've been thrust into the world, so to speak, and to not expect a few very minor foul-ups, such as the only I apparently just made and that of the topic creator, are to be expected and not met with scorn, or else your standards are simply too high. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 05:01
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I like the way thread is developing so far: even the replies touching politics are worth and full of understanding. Well done Raff. I am afraid it's almost imposible to have some in-depth discussion about the topic without getting a bit political.
@athamatten: That was one of the best posts I ever had a pleasure to read on forum. Sir (or madam), I salute You and your kind and wise words.
 My case:
I'm a native Croatian speaker (a language or dialect of a South Salvic diasystem often called Serbocroatian) and all the Slavic languages from Macedonian to Polish to Russian) are mutually intelligeble to some extent, in spoken or written (if one is familiar with both Cyrilic and Latin script) form, so we are able to have at least a simple conversation.
Lyrics in my native language (including prog) sound natural, watery, neutral and non-melodic (I'm talking about language accent, not music here) and I'm often focusing on lyrics. However, music always come first.
Unfortunately, I'm not very familiar with other Slavic prog, but in genral, music (some Polish rock, Old Church Slavonic Orthodox monastery chants, Czech prog folk, and Russian & Russian Roma music) sound charming, authentic, old, worm and fairy-tale-ish. They are making my sorrowful Slavic soul merry.
Hungarian and Finnish are beuatiful, unique and melting. Music is tricky and tickley.
Languages of Latin origin:
since I am a native Croatian of Istrian descent, I'm familiar with Italian too: I dare to say it's also my native, since I knew it from my earliest childhood, but it's far from being fluent. I am able to do a simple conversation, but I understand much more than I am able to speak. Needles to say, I'm able to appreciate Italian prog rock (and Italian music in general), catching the beauty, but without prejudices and typical association that some people might have (only a guess, no offence).
Speaking of prejudices, I was not very keen on Spanish language, being convinced that every song in Spanish contains "mi vida" and "corazon" but Los Jaivas helped me to get my head out of my arse and learn to appreciate the music, the value, the beauty (thank you ProgArchives) and willingness to learn more about the cultures of Latin America (again thank you).
Portuguse sound very charming to my ears, and I must confess, sexy, and with discovering A Barca Do Sol appeal is even wider (again thanks to PA!), in the meantime I started discovering bossa nova music for the first time in my life (Torquinho, Gilbertos & co.).
French is a special story. While I have no problems listening to "Photos Of Ghosts" in English (although I prefer it in italian), I could not imagine a substute for French in Atoll or Ange. Or Jacques Brel. It's just...as it should be. It's just...so French!
Romanian: an unique language with slighlty Slavic overtones. The sung language sounds lovely, but in the folk form, it's simply ASTONISHING.
Germanic languages:
German: I admit, I didn't like this language for the most of my life. It is not so long time ago I disoverd how emotional, poetic and, yes, beautiful it could be. The German songs translated to English sound good, perhaps the best of the translated bunch, I prefer it original, it's more powerful.
Scandinavian languages, well, I'm only familar with Anglagard I couldn't imagine it sung in English. It simply won't do justice.
Most of my prog is in English. If it's "foreign" sung in English, I prefer it to be German - I love the accent (Grobschnitt, anyone?).
I prefer BE to AE. However, I won't feel very comfortable with delta blues sung in British or some Elizabetan music sung in American. I might be a bit narrow minded for that. Disregarding my knowledge of English, I'm never really focused on lyrics.
I apologise for not mentioning other language families, but my post is getting to long anyway. In conclusion: you don't need to know how to engine works to drive a car. You don't need to understand the languages to appreciate the beauty. And all the languages ARE the beauty of the cultural heritage of the human kind. If you're missing that, it's your choice, but you're missing an entire world of beauty.
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 05:13
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They don't, but non-native speakers of English singing in English certainly do.
Sing in your own native languages, for feck's sake! |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 05:25
Not necessarily. In my own band http://myspace.com/kwadratnodnoll">  , we don't want to sing in or own language, but we won't sing the entire repertoire in English neither. Each song will be in the different language, which requires lots of collaborations, gathering data, assisting with lyrics and practicing the pronunciation. So far, our lyrics are just gibberish.------------- |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 05:29
If you can get it right, that's fine with me. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 06:37
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I am Spanish, so the post is not adressed, obviously, to me and thefeore I have nothing to say. But I wish you would have expressed your feelings in another way, because "ruin your prog experience" sounds, really too hard.
I hope I don't ruin your ProgArchives experience with my imperfect English.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 06:41
pfff... after 13000 posts ... I hope my imperfect English hasn't ruined the experience for anyone. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 07:30
I think this quoe is relevant here: "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity." Unfortunately. ------------- This user has left the PA fora, but will occasionally post reviews so as to support artists. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 07:39
hahahha... good one ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 07:44
Wow, if you wanted to touch some nerves and rattle some cages, success! I do prefer vocals I can understand, but vocals I can't don't bug me as long as the music is great. And face it, you can't always understand the English vocals by some singers without the lyrics in writing anyway. You didn't go around whacking hornet's nests and stepping in fire ant piles as a kid by any chance? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:02
Sure, though it's not like a prog band can usually get much in the way of 'glittering prizes', whether they sing in English or not. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:11
well some did end up on MTV ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:13
Yeah, like Sigur Ros... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:16
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whoa.... you mean MTV still plays videos.... everytime I blow my
it with the remote... it's usually a bunch of 20 something
year old twits bitching about this or that.... or some guy
showing off his 'crib'
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:19
I'm pretty certain Sigur Ros got some airplay on MTV back when they had their breakthrough in, what, 2000? Or was it on Viva... anyway, same kind of thing, only German. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:33
I still need to listen to something by them... 
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:38
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Here you go:
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1566 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1566 And BTW, as a Kobaian expat in Poland I demand that Vander and co. stop sullying my language with their dreadful pronunciation and piss-poor vocabulary, and sing their stuff in French. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:40
| What I have heard of Sigur Ros left me somewhat cold, though of course I will have to do some more listening - nevertheless, they sing in one of the oldest languages in Europe. Icelandic is practically identical to Old Norse, the language of the Eddas and the sagas... very prog indeed! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:40
no... badly accented English please checking it those samples.. have alwys meant to... but then end up heading down some other path between here and there hahahha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: December 17 2007 at 08:42
Yep, the monastery-burning language of prog, carnage, pillage and rape 
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