Dream Theater QUICK!
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Topic: Dream Theater QUICK!
Posted By: The Quiet One
Subject: Dream Theater QUICK!
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:20
Today I went at midday with some friends to a nearby CD shop, to see if Images & Words was there, but it wasn't 
In the other hand, there were Awake, Octavarium and Train of something.. From the poll I made before, none of these are quite recomendable for beginners. Awake from what I heard is much heavier and Train.. wasn't even mentioned I think. While Octavarium, I heard Octavarium(song) on Guitar Pro 4(a music program). It isn't exactly with the real instruments sounds, but it really gives you an idea. It is AMAZING, a mix of Shine On at the begining and then gets excellent! Though there are 8 tracks there, I heard one of the short ones on PA and it was too metalish and quite simple by the way. So any to have? Or do I wait to go to the "general" CD shop and get Images & Words? |
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:21
| Don't get Train. Awake is quite metal and Octavarium is hit/miss but has the wicked title cut |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:22
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Awake has a lot of good tracks on it. Would be worth picking up. I'm not as big a fan of Octavarium, but your mileage may vary. Unless you're really into speed or thrash I'd skip Train of Thought for now (although I like it as well). If I had to vote for one of the three I'd say Awake. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:23
I suppose you're saying to wait to go to the "General Cd Shop", right? |
King By-Tor wrote:Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:25
Yes  read my reviews if you have time, just ignore the star ratings for now. Awake is heavier in general and you're not a metal guy. It's such a hard recommendation  |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:26
Hmm. Maybe Octavarium would be better then. Hard to recommend to "not a metal guy" when we're discussing a metal band.  |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:27
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^haha ok.
BTW: I saw your new pics from Facebook today at school, freakin' sh*t! YOUR FACE SEEMS SOOoooOOOoooOOOOooooOOOooooOOOOO00ooo( )
Wicked use of Photoshop, hehe. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:28
Maybe not a metal, but a Heavy guy I'm sure am 
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:32
who, me? Yes, I get bored sometimes |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:38
...Well I'm going to have dinner, so cya later. KEEP POSTING!! KEEP RECOMENDING! KEEP IT COMING! |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 17:49
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 18:17
Same here. It's their finest album, IMO. And even if it's quite heavy, I think our fellow cacho would enjoy it!
Don't forget I&W, though.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 18:44
Hmm, it's between Octavarium(read reviews) and Awake(you guys are temting me  )
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 19:06
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Awake was one of the first albums I bought and remains one of my top 5 all-time favorites. But I'm a different breed of progger than you . You might get a kick out of it though!
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 19:13
You're very right, you started as a metal fan, I went with a variation through Pop/Alt/Prog(just Floyd)/70's stuff/HATIN' METAL!: though having as my fave genre alongside Prog, Hard Rock or Heavy Rock or whatever, which I went to some really heavy "paths", well at least for my ears, and finally reaching the "path" I always wanted to avoid, though at least it's PROG metal
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 19:53
Hey Pablo, did you catch my hardcore picture with the grim-reaper? I'm thinking of turning that into a metal album cover-art or something |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 20:06
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Get Awake! Their best after I&W! Then when you're into DT, get the rest! |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 21:04
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I'd go for Awake, a brilliant album and Voices remains one of the best songs written in quite some time, though I'm none too fond of Innocence Faded. Octavarium is an unusual one as some people love it and soem hate it. I'm in the latter as I find the bass almost inaudible for most of the album (others will say thats the case with most DT, but I think they're just not paying attenchion, as it plainly is on their first 5 albums), the influences are obvious and feel to be just a "cut-and-paste" job and Petrucci's guitar is so restrained that its almos anonamous. IMO, of course. ToT is a dreadful place to start as its very similar to Metallca and not very prog. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 21:13
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Goddamn, who keeps say ToT is thrash/speed? It's pretty much thrash/groove metal, there is a lot of emphasis on the "Groove", hence, groove metal. But yeah, I love the album because I'm an extreme metal fan and well, I think it's a really awesome extreme metal album with prog in it, rather than the other way around (which didn't affect how much I enjoyed the album, but for others it might) ... I honestly wouldn't recommend the album to someone that is not into extreme metal. ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 21:19
apologies, I'm not an expert on metal categories - thrash/speed vs. thrash/groove, but i wanted to get the "thrash" part across to cacho. And yes it is an awesome extreme metal album, and people who were expecting different were disappointed - the key is to recognize the album for what it is (a kick-ass metal album) and you'll realize it's very good at that. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 21:20
And in case none of the options work, there is still Deep Purple In Rock
 so you're safe! |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 21:23
You took a wrong turn, Antoine, the Soft Machine and Bossa Nova rooms are down the hall. |
Posted By: cobb2
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 21:24
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I still think Six Degrees id their best work, but if you are interested in the songs from Octavarium, then try our cover version of Sacrified Sons here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52692 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52692 This is a slightly smaller version (only 8 mins) than the original, we cut out a whole keyboard section in the middle. But, if you can listen to a guitarPro version of a song and be able to appreciate the compositional structure, a cover version should be able to give you an idea as well. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 21:28
Yes, sometimes i get lost in all those dark PA corridors.......was mistaking Robert Wyatt with Portnoy!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 04:07
ToT is Thrash. Speed Metal ... I never cared much for that label. Groove Metal ... sorry, but that's even worse. When I hear it, Mötley Crüe - Dr. Feelgood comes to my mind. "Groove" can mean anything, from Earth Wind and Fire to Pantera. So, I tend to stick by "Thrash", which is well established. It's also a coined phrase, but less ambigous ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 05:59
"Earth Wind and Fire to Pantera. "metal Yes, but Groove metal, not groovy funk like Earth Wind and Fire Groove metal can be defined as a genre with many similar musical characteristics as thrash (like, the lack of extreme melodicism present in power metal for eg.) but being based around medium tempos and rhythmically more "Grooving" than "Thrashing". Like when Meshuggah went from fast paced thrash to slower, mid tempo stuff i.e from Chaosphere to Nothing. That mid tempo sound of Nothing, is a prime and well known example of the Groove Metal feel, distinctly different to thrash rhythmically but not melodically. And plus, the term has been used all the way back into the 90s, that is very well established in my mind and is very much accepted among the metal community. -------------
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 18:27
A question: What label to do you put on Sabbath's Eternal Idol? Just curious what type of metal is it. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 18:56
A good hard rock album as we'd say back then
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 14:27
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Awake from these 3. A great album. Instead of ToT I'd rather suggest the original "Master" or a Gojira album. That's heavy.. |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 17:09
Agreed mostly. I'd say that Awake is a pretty uneven album, all considered, but Voices (and the entire Mind Beside Itself suite) is the highlight of Dream Theater's career in my mind. The album itself is kind of like DT's own, one-album version of Pink Floyd's pre-DSOTM phase. Big transitional stage, a fair bit of experimentation, results are a mixed bag. Some songs would out-shine almost anything else the band would ever release, others can be completely written off, never to be spoken of again (e.g. the aforementioned Innocence Faded).
But I would certainly pick up Awake over the other two. ToT was my first DT album (a band I was in at the time wanted to play Stream of Conciousness) and I was a little underwhelmed. I enjoyed the two final songs, but the rest of the album I could take or leave. Octavarium I've never heard, but I've heard mostly negative comments about it.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 18:01
| It's done guys! I bought Octavarium today! Listening to the 'epic' already for the 2nd time, it's just amazing! Though the rest of the tracks could have been a bit more melodic or better crafted. Anyways I'll give them time. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 16:12
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......Well, I thought that the obvious follow-up purchase would be Systematic Chaos, but I've asked Mike what about it, and from his point of view and Youtube video, it's not a good idea. Neither is Train of Thought(?), since it's the lowest rated and it's said to be their heaviest and less proggy, so another crossed option.
While from reviews the most suitable should be Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, since it's quite symphonic for it's epic the same as Octavarium, which by the way I just dislike Panic Attack and Never Enough, the rest I enjoy quite a lot. Of course then is Images & Words, but I still have to find that one, the same for A Change of Season. Recomendations? Comments? |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 16:20
Well, the only must have that hasnt been mentioned here is Scenes from a Memory, definitely their masterpiece and the peak of the "traditional" style of Prog Metal IMO. The other two albums are Falling Inot Infinity, which is far too AOR for my tastes and some of the song writting is atrotious, and the debut When Dream and Day Unite. That ones musically just as strong as Images and Words IMO, but Dominici isnt as good a singer as La Brie and the production is pretty terrible. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 16:21
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Get Awake , you won't regret it. Besides , its cheaper than Systematic chaos. Go to Musimundo and get it for $ 26
why don't you download the whole DT ouput and compare first?
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 16:23
Scenes from a Memory was mentioned on my poll and took most votes as well as I&W. I'm not so keen about it because: 1st Cover and 2nd read some Reviews, and no thanks, I also heard the sample |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 16:24
I said I wasn't going to get Systematic Chaos, and the sample of Awake really turns me off. Still I may buy it after I&W. Do you know if Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is in Musimundo? |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 20:55
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of course it is ,$40. still , I think CD2 it's good , the other one is pretty uninspired. exept for the live albums and the first one , the whole DT catalogue is there. Musimundo has most stuff from the basic prog bands like Yes , Genesis , (SOME) Tull , DT some prog related , some jazz and that's it.
Don't expect getting "Third" there.
The Awake sample is "Lie" isn't it? It's the heaviest song of the album. Probably you'll dig the rest like the suite "A man beside itself"
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 21:10
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Train Of Thought is by far their heaviest. Out of these, I'd go with Awake. Very good disc, IMO. E ------------- 
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 21:21
Oh! A Dream Theater thread developping into a Soft Machine one??
..I like that...........i always have found a resemblance between Portnoy and Robert Wyatt anyway
So where Pablo can get THIRD??
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: November 09 2008 at 21:25
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In a record shop called "Abraxas" If he hurries enough. That's the only SM record I left them
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 10 2008 at 16:09
Yeah I know, I go every 2 weeks more or less. But you're talking about Unicenter's Musimundo, right? Anyways thanks, I'll probably get Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence and I&W. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 10 2008 at 16:11
Oh Abraxas, my uncle bought me Book of Taliesyn there, but not sure where it is, if it's in Capital I really can't go. Thanks again. Though not in a mood of Soft Machine, sorry, unless you're telling me there's Bundles 3  (Softs is Bundles 2)
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 10 2008 at 16:20
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My review on Octavarium, if anyone interested on my thoughts on the album/band:
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=188716 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=188716 |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: November 10 2008 at 19:48
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Yeah abraxas is in Capital. And all the musimundos have more or less the same stuff.
That review was very good. You can tell that Octavarium is an uninspired record just by reading it.
The thing is , if you hear DT albums in it's proper order you can see how they run out of ideas by their fifth release.From 2000 up to the present DT is more of the same , a little bit heavier but less progressive.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 11 2008 at 14:36
Thanks, and yeah, that happens to many bands. I'll check then Musimundo from Unicenter for Images & Words and surely Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 17 2009 at 10:32
| Sorry to bump this, but I wanted to make you know I bought FII, and here's my opinion on it, if anyone interested: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=203395 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=203395 |
Posted By: Lev
Date Posted: February 17 2009 at 14:45
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Get every album. Simples.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 17 2009 at 14:47
| ^ha, no thanks.... |
Posted By: Lev
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:04
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Your loss.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:06
| ^man I don't like metal, please read my first post. I don't want to listen to Systematic Chaos nor Train of Thought since I heard they use a lot of thrash elements plus some nasty vocals... |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:10
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^ maybe you shouldn't listen to Dream Theater then ... that element is present on all their albums, it's part of their identity.
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Posted By: Lev
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:22
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As is their quieter side. Don't shun the albums you mentioned, they have all sorts of styles on them. -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:28
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Sorry to bump in here... ...but am I the only one here who would rather listen to nothing than Images & Words?  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:03
I'm afraid Mike you're wrong. Did you read the thread first 2 pages, or at least my comments on the album? I already have Octavarium, Images & Words and Falling into Infinity. I LOVE Images & Words and Falling into Infinity, while I enjoy Octavarium quite a bit, not tracks like Panic Attack and Never Enough which are seriously heavy for my taste, and I'm afraid that style is what carries Train of Thought and Systematic Chaos the most. I may have exagerrated with the previous post, but I was telling Henry(I know it's not his real name) why not. After all, I do love Deep Purple, Atomic Rooster, Rush, Black Sabbath, Budgie and all of the kind |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:04
Well you're close almost like me. Have you heard Falling into Infinity? |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:07
| A Change Of Seasons is the only DT I can stand and only about once a year at that. The rest is like fingernails on a chalk board. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:21
Incidentally, "Hollow Years" is one of my favorite Dream Theater song. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 11:24
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^yay! Good for you Robert! I personally enjoy it very much, read my review if you want more about my thoughts of it
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Posted By: peart_lee_lifeson
Date Posted: February 28 2009 at 18:53
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Any of those albums or any other Dream Theater is fine. They are an incredible and in my opinion the best band out there! Don't wait to buy a certain album; just buy them all and listen to them. Trust me. You will enjoy. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 28 2009 at 19:32
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I have to admit... I have enjoyed... or at least been able to make it half way through ..their last couple of albums. Maybe I am just mellowing out... or they are getting better. hmmm..
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