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Topic: Female element in Prog RockPosted By: Gandalff
Subject: Female element in Prog Rock
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 12:30
Let look, Prog Rock (and Rock generally, in fact) is a quite masculine matter. And a little bit of women is a lucid exception here. Iīm glad for this fact and I wish more girls and ladies in Prog!
My choice is Annie Haslam of course.
Replies: Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 12:51
Stella Vander
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 13:02
Anna Sofi from the list.Hey she plays mellotron what can i say.And cello too.
Not on the list are singers Aneke Van Giersbergen and Marcela Bovio.Two great vocalists. Have to mention Pascal Son from COS.Wow is all i have for her.
------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 13:12
Miss Haslan from Renaissance, or Kate bush, if you count her. You didn't include her so I don't know. I also have a thing for Bjork.
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 13:15
Annie Haslam from the list. Not on the list is Mariela Gonzalez from Nexus and Atempo. SUPERB vocalist.
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 13:26
Where is Stella Vander and Anna Holmgren?
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 13:41
sinkadotentree wrote:
Anna Sofi from the list.Hey she plays mellotron what can i say.And cello too.
Not on the list are singers Aneke Van Giersbergen and Marcela Bovio.Two great vocalists. Have to mention Pascal Son from COS.Wow is all i have for her.
Thatīs not about vocalist only. Barbara Thompson didnīt ever sings but sheīs excellent sax player (and strong person) for example.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 13:50
PabstRibbon wrote:
Where is Stella Vander and Anna Holmgren?
Stella Vander isnī t too significant for order to this list. The same governs about Miss Holmgren, because Anglagard was mostly instrumental band.
Just remember that there are 25 places here only!
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 13:53
Vashti Bunyan
Meg Baird of Espers Bobbie Watson of Comus Jacqui McShee of The Pentangle
(all my faves seem to be folk singers)
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 13:54
Alitare wrote:
Miss Haslan from Renaissance, or Kate bush, if you count her. You didn't include her so I don't know. I also have a thing for Bjork.
Björk isnīt in PA, I donīt know why. Kate Bush is in Prog Related subgenre, that means not Prog at all...
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 13:54
woops, Vashti isn't in PA either
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 14:08
Like so many others, I am going with Annie Haslam, but I like Maddy Prior from Steeleye Span just as much.
------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 14:38
sinkadotentree wrote:
Anna Sofi from the list.Hey she plays mellotron what can i say.And cello too.
Not on the list are singers Aneke Van Giersbergen and Marcela Bovio.Two great vocalists. Have to mention Pascal Son from COS.Wow is all i have for her.
For example:
From Within:
Line-up / Musicians
- Jan Erik Liljeström / bass, voice - Nicklas Berg / guitar, Mellotron, Wurlitzer, voice - Peter Nordins / percussives, vibraphone - Anna Sofi Dahlberg / Mellotron, piano, Rhodes, cello, voice
A Time Of Day:
Line-up / Musicians
- Nicklas Barker / vocals, guitar, Mellotron, keyboards - Anna Sofi Dahlberg / vocals, Mellotron, violin, synthesizers - Jan Erik Liljeström / vocals, bass guitar
- Peter Nordins / drums, percussion
Besides, sheīs very nice.
Posted By: Rune2000
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 14:42
Dagmar Krause (Art Bears, Slapp Happy, Henry Cow) or Carla Kihlstedt (Sleepytime Gorilla Museum).
Posted By: progman1976
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 14:44
I vote for Leïlindel (UneXpecT) and Eva Spence (Rolo Tomassi)
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 14:47
Rune2000 wrote:
Dagmar Krause
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 14:51
Edit: Kay Garret was replaced by Petronella Nettermalm.
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 15:00
Kate Bush: About as progressive as they come: About as sexy as they come: About as influential as they come: One of the seven wonders...
Oh and Renate whatshername ?
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 15:30
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Kate Bush: About as progressive as they come: About as sexy as they come: About as influential as they come: One of the seven wonders...
Oh and Renate whatshername ?
Oh, did you mean KNAUP?
Sorry, I cannot inflate this list! I must to spare with additions, therefore Iīve eliminated (with some excepts): Proto Prog, Prog Related, Crossover Prog, RIO/Avant, RPI, Krautrock, Experimental/Post/Extreme/Tech Metal, Post/Math Rock, Prog Electronic, Indo/Raga and Zeuhl. I didnīt find any female artist in Neo Prog because thatīs double Dutch for me, sorry.
The rest is pure Art Rock in narrow sense.
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 16:15
Diamanda Galas!Lynda Hoyle next
Posted By: Crawlution
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 16:32
I went with the obvious here Annie Haslam; however, I must admit that the ethereal voice of Rachel Jones (specifically in the Dark Angel release) does cause my blood pressure to both drop and rise at the same time
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 16:42
Gandalff wrote:
PabstRibbon wrote:
Where is Stella Vander and Anna Holmgren?
Stella Vander isnī t too significant for order to this list. The same governs about Miss Holmgren, because Anglagard was mostly instrumental band.
Just remember that there are 25 places here only!
You may be right for Anna but I think that if it was not of Stella, Magma would not sound so good and special.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 16:43
Gandalff wrote:
Alitare wrote:
Miss Haslan from Renaissance, or Kate
bush, if you count her. You didn't include her so I don't know. I also
have a thing for Bjork.
Björk isnīt in PA, I donīt know why. Kate Bush is in Prog Related
subgenre, that means not Prog at all...
Bjork has been suggested but met resistance. I've supported her
inclusion -- particularly based on Medulla, but what is includable is
quite often subjective.
As for an artist's music not being Prog because it's in Prog Related,
that is not accurate. Not only are notions of Prog subjective, but
there are albums in Prog Related that were determined by individuals to
be Prog, but the complete discography issue posed a problem. There's
also lots of proggy music in Prog-Related. As to the degree, that
depends on certain individuals. As I like to say, bands/artists aren't
Prog, music is, but the degree often depends on the behearer 9and in
some cases the category is based on limited listening. Had other music
been listened to, it would be in a different category. Quite a few acts
have been moved from Prog Related to Prog categories upon further
evaluation/ arguments. Opinions vary. People disagree on what is Prog
and what is acceptable and where music should go. I don't think of Kate
Bush as good for a Prog category (and I used to be a big fan), but she
does have proggy music. Prog by degree.
I know you only had so much space, but I think it a shame to exclude so many categories. Most of my favourites are in RIO/ Avant, and quite a few in Zeuhl (The Eskaton singers are terrific as is Yamamoto Kyoko), as well as other categories you omitted; however, there is an other option, so I'm not complaining. Woe be it to someone who leaves off Dagmar Krause, though. :)
Barbara Gaskin is the stand-out from your list. I don't like Haslam's voice. There are various similar folk ones that I much prefer such as Vashti Bunyan (not that she's Prog).
I'm giving a vote to Haco of After Dinner just cause I feel like it.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 16:51
PabstRibbon wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
PabstRibbon wrote:
Where is Stella Vander and Anna Holmgren?
Stella Vander isnī t too significant for order to this list. The same governs about Miss Holmgren, because Anglagard was mostly instrumental band.
Just remember that there are 25 places here only!
You may be right for Anna but I think that if it was not of Stella, Magma would not sound so good and special.
As Iīve written above, Iīve been obliged to eliminate some subgenres because every poll places are limited. Magma is Zeuhl, this is a marginal subgenre here. Iīm sorry...
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 17:29
Interesting, Iīve thought about a list which would be acceptable for a wide spectrum of Prog listeners. Therefore Iīve eliminated some marginal subgenres. However, most of forum members suggest me female artists just from these subgenres now. Isnīt it a paradox?
(Maybe all Symphonic/Folk/Eclectic/Heavy Prog fans are just sleeping, while RIO, Zeuhl and Metal fans are awaken!)
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 17:40
Gandalff wrote:
PabstRibbon wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
PabstRibbon wrote:
Where is Stella Vander and Anna Holmgren?
Stella Vander isnī t too significant for order to this list. The same governs about Miss Holmgren, because Anglagard was mostly instrumental band.
Just remember that there are 25 places here only!
You may be right for Anna but I think that if it was not of Stella, Magma would not sound so good and special.
As Iīve written above, Iīve been obliged to eliminate some subgenres because every poll places are limited. Magma is Zeuhl, this is a marginal subgenre here. Iīm sorry...
Ahah no problem ! By the way I went with Anna Sofi Dahlberg as I think that she is a big part of the Anekdoten sound (If not the most important) and that Anekdoten is one of my favourite band.
Posted By: Noak
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 18:47
Ruth Underwood
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 18:55
How about Julie Slick, the amazing bass player in the Adrian Belew Power Trio. She has to be considered one of the very best bass players alive today and very progressive as well.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 19:03
Sacred 22 wrote:
How about Julie Slick, the amazing bass player in the Adrian Belew Power Trio. She has to be considered one of the very best bass players alive today and very progressive as well.
Bass to bassoon segue:
Lindsay Cooper was great on the bassoon (and oboe), and a talented composer.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 19:54
What about Christina Booth from Magenta and ChimpanA(also new solo album) !!!
------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 24 2010 at 20:06
Stella Vander or Georgie Born or Lindsay Cooper or Ruth Underwood or Gilli Smyth. Since Gilli's on the poll, I'll give her my vote, but she's probably the one I would have put in last out of those five.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 02:11
The Truth wrote:
Annie Haslem definitely, just an amazing vocalist
Thanks for not suggest any (in my opinion) marginal female artists incl. percussionist, bassist etc. By the way, I think youīre only one woman in my forum and one of the few ones in PA, isnīt it?
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 03:49
Hey I'm sorry, but Sacha van Geert of Supersister is a man! I voted for Gilli Smith of Gong.
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 05:44
I agree with Logan that I would have liked to see more of the Avant/RIO crowd here, actually in general they have more great female vocalists than symph/neo prog, imo anyway. I would certainly have rather had Stella Vander, Ann Stewart or who's-that-Koenjikhyaai-singer rather than Jane Duboc or Sonja Kristina who are tbh nothing great (again, this is IMO ). Doesn't really matter, my vote would have gone for Annie Haslam either way, which is where it obviously went here too.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 06:12
friso wrote:
Hey I'm sorry, but Sacha van Geert of Supersister is a man! I voted for Gilli Smith of Gong.
So, youīre right, I apologize! Iīve replaced him by Christina Murphy, sheīs a woman without doubt.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 06:34
Iīm sorry, but her vocal is dissonant for me. Besides, she isnīt nice at all. I donīt mean that Ms. Krause is a good suggestion here.
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 06:56
Mia Matsumiya from Kayo Dot is my personal pick.
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 07:46
Anneke from the Gathering might be the most important from the metal side of things...
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 08:41
There are a lot of talented females in prog, but for me it's still Annie Haslem. After seeing Renaissance live in the gym at college and meeting Annie and the band afterwards, it's easy for me. Amazing singer and very nice person.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 09:05
progkidjoel wrote:
Mia Matsumiya from Kayo Dot is my personal pick.
Why, gosh? Sheīs ordinary member of any weird band.
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 09:28
Gandalff wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Mia Matsumiya from Kayo Dot is my personal pick.
Why, gosh? Sheīs ordinary member of any weird band.
Tarja is also pretty oridinary and Nightwish aren't even all that weird...not even prog to begin with, but that's a different issue. Oh, have never heard Kayo Dot by the way, but my opinion on Tarja stands nevertheless.
Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 09:50
Amanda Parsons!
------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.''
- Albert Camus
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 10:40
Adams Bolero wrote:
Amanda Parsons!
Another kind of wrong suggestion. Sheīs backing vocalist on some Cantenbury albums. Itīs not significant!
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 12:29
Gandalff wrote:
Adams Bolero wrote:
Amanda Parsons!
Another kind of wrong suggestion. Sheīs backing vocalist on some Cantenbury albums. Itīs not significant!
Could you imagine those albums without her? They wouldn't be anywhere near the same. They would lose a lot of the magic that comes from an album with just the right personnel, just the right sound...
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 12:46
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
I find this thread insignificant and refuse to vote in it.
I would've said this if I noticed this sort of attitude earlier, but it is too late as I already voted Haslam.
Yeah, I wonder what it's gonna take to get neo/symph heads to take Avant/RIO artists, er, seriously. Other than Annie, every other of the female prog singers I find interesting at all are from that space. Seriously, Tarja more substantial than Stella Vander, who has contributed more substantially to prog, may I ask?
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 12:46
SaltyJon wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Adams Bolero wrote:
Amanda Parsons!
Another kind of wrong suggestion. Sheīs backing vocalist on some Cantenbury albums. Itīs not significant!
Could you imagine those albums without her? They wouldn't be anywhere near the same. They would lose a lot of the magic that comes from an album with just the right personnel, just the right sound...
I totally agree with you, her voice is simply a delight and a unique element in National Health. She also sang with Hatfield, didn't she?
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 12:47
Wait you have Gilli Smyth is the poll, wouldn't she be considered insignificant in your book being Canterbury and all?
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 12:48
Noak wrote:
Ruth Underwood
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 12:51
The Quiet One wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Adams Bolero wrote:
Amanda Parsons!
Another kind of wrong suggestion. Sheīs backing vocalist on some Cantenbury albums. Itīs not significant!
Could you imagine those albums without her? They wouldn't be anywhere near the same. They would lose a lot of the magic that comes from an album with just the right personnel, just the right sound...
I totally agree with you, her voice is simply a delight and a unique element in National Health. She also sang with Hatfield, didn't she?
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 12:57
Gandalff wrote:
The Truth wrote:
Annie Haslem definitely, just an amazing vocalist
Thanks for not suggest any (in my opinion) marginal female artists incl. percussionist, bassist etc. By the way, I think youīre only one woman in my forum and one of the few ones in PA, isnīt it?
A. I'm not a girl.
B. There a quite a few more on PA.
C. What you consider "marginal female artists" are alot of the time great musicians.
D. I just voted for Haslem because she is the best IMO.
E. Mia Matsumyia is not a "marginal female artist".
F. Zeuhl, RIO, Avant-rock, and Canterbury is all music too.
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 12:59
Gandalff wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Mia Matsumiya from Kayo Dot is my personal pick.
Why, gosh? Sheīs ordinary member of any weird band.
I don't consider Mia to be an "ordinary" member of Kayo Dot. Although you might not enjoy Kayo Dot, it's a bit unfair to say such things I think. Without Mia's violin Kayo Dot simply would not be complete. The violin adds another, very important layer of emotion to the music, which I don't think could be called ordinary.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:02
It also needs to be pointed out here that arguing that Renaissance is more significant as a prog rock band than Magma to begin with is treading on thin ice, Nightwish can be left well alone.
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:09
Gandalff wrote:
Adams Bolero wrote:
Amanda Parsons!
Another kind of wrong suggestion. Sheīs backing vocalist on some Cantenbury albums. Itīs not significant!
She's the lead vocalist on the first National Health album, essential to the character of that album.
Anna Sofi Dahlberg gets my vote, love that Tron!!!
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:09
Gandalff wrote:
Iīm sorry, but her vocal is dissonant for me. Besides, she isnīt nice at all. I donīt mean that Ms. Krause is a good suggestion here.
I'd vote for her if she were here...
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:15
How about Billie Holiday?
Posted By: Mr. Maestro
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:20
Chloe Alper from Pure Reason Revolution and Rachel Cohen from The Reasoning each deserve a mention.
------------- "I am the one who crossed through space...or stayed where I was...or didn't exist in the first place...."
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:22
Has anyone mentioned Frida and Agnetha from ABBA?
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:23
Nope. We've also not mentioned the various female members from Koenjihyakkei.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:30
The Truth wrote:
Wait you have Gilli Smyth is the poll, wouldn't she be considered insignificant in your book being Canterbury and all?
As Iīve written above, Iīve eliminated some subgenres with a few excepts. One of this ones is e.g. Gilli...
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:32
Gandalff you make me laugh
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:35
I didn't like the comment of the marginal female artists suggestions either. I understand that the job of creating a poll and think about all the different options takes its time and it NEVER EVER satisfies everyone here, and that can piss someone off. No matter what options you include, you will ALWAYS receive some complaints. Some people may complain because they truly believe that the option they are suggesting deserves to be on the list, and some others just for the sake of complaining. Anyway, these are just different opinions, and we should try to respect all of them. In my case, I voted for Haslam, and suggested Mariela Gonzalez from Nexus (only because one of the options on the poll read: "Whom have I forgotten, gosh?"). If you didn't want the people to express their different thoughts you could have posted "just stick to the artists on the list", or something like that. I don't know if my suggestion fits in your "marginal female artists" label (maybe because she's not so well known, I don't know). I hope not, because she really is a very talented vocalist. And I'm sure that plenty of us who expressed our different points of view towards your list didn't do it just to bring your poll down. As I said before, these are just opinions.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:41
SaltyJon wrote:
Nope. We've also not mentioned the various female members from Koenjihyakkei.
Well, I mentioned Kyoko Yamamoto in a long post. Yay for me.
And speaking of Abba, the Mellow Candle singers remind me of them.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:42
Mr. Maestro wrote:
Chloe Alper from Pure Reason Revolution and Rachel Cohen from The Reasoning each deserve a mention.
PRR second album dissapointed me very much. Itīs Pop (maybe Prog Pop?). Thatīs a reason. The Reasoning is Crossover, therefore it havenīt included here. (And I didnīt know Rachel before, Iīm not a weisenheim...)
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:48
Logan wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Nope. We've also not mentioned the various female members from Koenjihyakkei.
Well, I mentioned Kyoko Yamamoto in a long post. Yay for me.
And speaking of Abba, the Mellow Candle singers remind me of them.
Ahh, I missed that. So we've mentioned one of the female members from Koenjihyakkei.
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:50
Gandalff wrote:
Mr. Maestro wrote:
Chloe Alper from Pure Reason Revolution and Rachel Cohen from The Reasoning each deserve a mention.
PRR second album dissapointed me very much. Itīs Pop (maybe Prog Pop?). Thatīs a reason. The Reasoning is Crossover, therefore it havenīt included here. (And I didnīt know Rachel before, Iīm not a weisenheim...)
Several comments on this thread from me.
First off, it's nice to know that you're the expert on influential/important female vocalists on this site and most other people are not. It's all subjective anyway, so calm down a bit. It's just a matter of opinion.
Secondly, you say you don't like Krause's voice because it's too dissonant. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but just because an instrument (or in this case a voice) is dissonant and lacks melody doesn't mean it's inferior by any means. Some of my favorite bands (Meshuggah for example) are incredibly dissonant or have a completely different take on traditional definitions of "melody" and "rhythm" in rock music.
As for Chloe Alper, while she isn't one of my favorite female vocalists, I find it very hard to refer to Amor Vincit Omnia as merely pop music. While definitely not as much in the vein of "traditional prog" as The Dark Third is, I hear influences from many influential electronic groups, such as New Order, Depeche Mode, and Kraftwerk (who I believe are on this site under Progressive Electronic ). So it's certainly "progressive", but ultimately probably not "prog".
As for my vote, I'd go for Anneke van Giersbergen as well. She's one of the best overall rock vocalists I've ever heard. And while she has worked mostly in metal, she has the kind of voice that can cut through heavy music and still make it sound really beautiful. I can't think of another female vocalist that is any better at it than her.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:50
Anyway, all discussion aside, I still stand by my statement that Meg Baird is my favourite woman in prog. It's a shame nobody has ever heard of Espers
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:52
I was listening to Loudest Whisper's The Children of Lir yesterday and quite liked the female vocals, I don't know who they belong to though.
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:54
Oh! I got one!
The female vocalist of The Decemberists! (sorry forgot the name)
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 13:56
The Quiet One wrote:
Oh! I got one!
The female vocalist of The Decemberists! (sorry forgot the name)
Jenny Conlee.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 14:06
SaltyJon wrote:
Logan wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Nope. We've also not mentioned the various female members from Koenjihyakkei.
Well, I mentioned Kyoko Yamamoto in a long post. Yay for me.
And speaking of Abba, the Mellow Candle singers remind me of them.
Ahh, I missed that. So we've mentioned one of the female members from Koenjihyakkei.
Yes, we still have not mentioned the various female members. But wait a second.... Here's some more: Keiko Komori, Nami Sagara, Aki Kubota.
Oh, and I have to share some love for the female members of Aranis. They rock!
EDIT: I prefer this "Mythra" performance recording:
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 14:46
Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard. I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 14:57
Morningrise wrote:
I didn't like the comment of the marginal female artists suggestions either. I understand that the job of creating a poll and think about all the different options takes its time and it NEVER EVER satisfies everyone here, and that can piss someone off. No matter what options you include, you will ALWAYS receive some complaints. Some people may complain because they truly believe that the option they are suggesting deserves to be on the list, and some others just for the sake of complaining. Anyway, these are just different opinions, and we should try to respect all of them. In my case, I voted for Haslam, and suggested Mariela Gonzalez from Nexus (only because one of the options on the poll read: "Whom have I forgotten, gosh?"). If you didn't want the people to express their different thoughts you could have posted "just stick to the artists on the list", or something like that. I don't know if my suggestion fits in your "marginal female artists" label (maybe because she's not so well known, I don't know). I hope not, because she really is a very talented vocalist. And I'm sure that plenty of us who expressed our different points of view towards your list didn't do it just to bring your poll down. As I said before, these are just opinions.
Thanks for your opinion. Just understand me, Iīve tried only to choose 25 female artists (not only singers). The list isnīt inflatable...Thatīs a difficult thing, trust me! How can I make it? I picked a happy medium, that means main stream of Prog.
I have a suspicion that most of forum members didīnt read my poll question properly. So, once again: "Which woman in PA is the most remarkable, influential or likeable?" Iīve thought about female artist with significant importance for a WHOLE SPECTRUM of Prog. Thus, why did they suggest me any violinists, percussionists, backing vocalists, bassists, etc. of relative unknown bands? Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me...
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 14:57
SaltyJon wrote:
Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard. I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.
Songs from Mirage is my least favourite from Aranis (I don't include the Basta one), but it rather grew on me. I still haven't spun it much. Aranis II, and then I, I loved from first listen.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 14:58
Logan wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard. I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.
Songs from Mirage is my least favourite from Aranis (I don't include the Basta one), but it rather grew on me. I still haven't spun it much. Aranis II, and then I, I loved from first listen.
Yeah, I plan on getting their first two soon as well, plus I'm looking forward to their new one with Dave Kerman.
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:04
Marcela Bovio goddamnit! She's the one that made The Human Equation the great album that it is (well Arjen helped out a bit ). She's also the only reason to listen to Stream Of Passion. Every time I listen to her magnificent voice I have goose bumps. I only pray that she will finally find a band that wolud fit her talent.
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:04
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me...
May I ask why you say they are marginal?
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:11
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me...
They should be laughing. You are treating RIO, Canterbury, Zeuhl, Krautrock, and Post Metal as if they are mean nothing. They are still prog subgenres, therefore mean just as much as the other ones. The reason everyone is getting so mad is not because you left some out, but your attitude towards all those subgenres.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:16
The Truth wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
The Truth wrote:
Annie Haslem definitely, just an amazing vocalist
Thanks for not suggest any (in my opinion) marginal female artists incl. percussionist, bassist etc. By the way, I think youīre only one woman in my forum and one of the few ones in PA, isnīt it?
A. I'm not a girl.
B. There a quite a few more on PA.
C. What you consider "marginal female artists" are alot of the time great musicians.
D. I just voted for Haslem because she is the best IMO.
E. Mia Matsumyia is not a "marginal female artist".
F. Zeuhl, RIO, Avant-rock, and Canterbury is all music too.
A. Thatīs a pity! Your avatar is pretty!
B. Itīs not supervisible, because most of members donīt indicate their sex here.
C. It is true, but my poll question is about another.
D. Thatīs allright.
E. Is RIO/Avant the biggest subgenre in PA possibly?
F. OK, but Iīve been obliged to eliminate them just for saving the place in the poll.
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:24
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:25
SaltyJon wrote:
Logan wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard. I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.
Songs from Mirage is my least favourite from Aranis (I don't include the Basta one), but it rather grew on me. I still haven't spun it much. Aranis II, and then I, I loved from first listen.
Yeah, I plan on getting their first two soon as well, plus I'm looking forward to their new one with Dave Kerman.
Have you checked out any DAAU? Also excellent.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:31
Gandalff wrote:
The Truth wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
The Truth wrote:
Annie Haslem definitely, just an amazing vocalist
Thanks for not suggest any (in my opinion) marginal female artists incl. percussionist, bassist etc. By the way, I think youīre only one woman in my forum and one of the few ones in PA, isnīt it?
A. I'm not a girl.
B. There a quite a few more on PA.
C. What you consider "marginal female artists" are alot of the time great musicians.
D. I just voted for Haslem because she is the best IMO.
E. Mia Matsumyia is not a "marginal female artist".
F. Zeuhl, RIO, Avant-rock, and Canterbury is all music too.
A. Thatīs a pity! Your avatar is pretty!
B. Itīs not supervisible, because most of members donīt indicate their sex here.
C. It is true, but my poll question is about another.
D. Thatīs allright.
E. Is RIO/Avant the biggest subgenre in PA possibly?
F. OK, but Iīve been obliged to eliminate them just for saving the place in the poll.
RIO/Avant is very popular here with many, and I would say it's one of the "big" PA categories. It also has incredible diversity (eclectic), and of course musically it overlaps with other categories here. Most of my favourites, for instance, in the Eclectic category are avant-oriented.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:33
Gandalff wrote:
E. Is RIO/Avant the biggest subgenre in PA possibly?
What, exactly, does size of the subgenre have to do with how influential
or significant it is? I think it's a safe bet to say that most fans
of, say, Symphonic Prog don't know 97% of the bands in the genre
(apologies to those of you who do somehow know a majority of the countless bands in Symphonic ),
yet most fans of any of the "marginal" genres you mentioned do know
more about their genre as a whole, rather than just a small fraction of
them. Size doesn't matter here. What does matter, in my opinion, is how much any specific subgenre has influenced the life and times of Santa Claus prog, and RIO/Avant especially has been a big influence on it, whether you want to admit it or not.
Also, let's say we drop the fact for now that you're dismissing all of
these genres offhand for whatever reason. What about Bobbie Watson from
Comus? Their first album, First Utterance, is anything but marginal.
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:38
Logan wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Logan wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard. I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.
Songs from Mirage is my least favourite from Aranis (I don't include the Basta one), but it rather grew on me. I still haven't spun it much. Aranis II, and then I, I loved from first listen.
Yeah, I plan on getting their first two soon as well, plus I'm looking forward to their new one with Dave Kerman.
Have you checked out any DAAU? Also excellent.
I saw the name somewhere, maybe Progfreak, but wow.
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:39
SaltyJon wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
A Person wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me...
May I ask why you say they are marginal?
Marginal. Out of the main stream. Underground. Minority music. What else?
Congratulations, you've just described Progressive Rock! Every subgenre listed on this website, in other words.
Summed up my thoughts there...
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:47
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
A Person wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me...
May I ask why you say they are marginal?
Marginal. Out of the main stream. Underground. Minority music. What else?
Congratulations, you've just described Progressive Rock! Every subgenre listed on this website, in other words.
Summed up my thoughts there...
Yep, every category here, at least these days. Of course there are some popular bands listed in PA, but the majority in all of the categories are hardly mainstream. And, though Prog once had it's heyday, I believe that it in the early days it was commonly referred to as underground music.
Of course some Prog is more mainstream than others. And Roger mentioned Nightwish, if you want to talk marginal, why include such a marginally Prog band?
And Jon, just one more recommendation, Doctor Nerve (with the Sirius String Quartet's) Ereia (though not as similar) -- if you don't know it. A superb album, I think.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:50
BTW, Iva Bittova. Quite marginal, I guess...
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:51
Toyah Wilcox from Sunday All Over the World definitely brings a female perspective to the work.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:55
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Toyah Wilcox from Sunday All Over the World definitely brings a female perspective to the work.
So does Geddy Lee.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:55
The singers on National Health's self titled are phenomenal. And sound very sexy....... Annette Peacock for her solo career and work with Bruford. Dagmar Krause, who I'm sure has been mentioned already for Henry Cow and Art Bears.
EDIT: OH MAN! I was about to make the Geddy Lee comment! And we had same time posts too! I'm so regretting not having typed it in!
------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 16:01
himtroy wrote:
The singers on National Health's self titled are phenomenal. And sound very sexy....... Annette Peacock for her solo career and work with Bruford. Dagmar Krause, who I'm sure has been mentioned already for Henry Cow and Art Bears.
I also love Krause in the excellent News From Babel and her work with Slapp Happy (amongst others). I know the OP stated how he found Krause unpleasant, but it's kind of like Wyatt (who also sings with News From Babel). They both bring something that makes the music really special to me without sounding polished. I couldn't imagine, say, Annie Haslam in Art bears or Slapp Happy.
Imagine Haslam singing this:
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 16:03
SaltyJon wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
E. Is RIO/Avant the biggest subgenre in PA possibly?
What, exactly, does size of the subgenre have to do with how influential or significant it is? I think it's a safe bet to say that most fans of, say, Symphonic Prog don't know 97% of the bands in the genre (apologies to those of you who do somehow know a majority of the countless bands in Symphonic ), yet most fans of any of the "marginal" genres you mentioned do know more about their genre as a whole, rather than just a small fraction of them. Size doesn't matter here. What does matter, in my opinion, is how much any specific subgenre has influenced the life and times of Santa Claus prog, and RIO/Avant especially has been a big influence on it, whether you want to admit it or not.
Also, let's say we drop the fact for now that you're dismissing all of these genres offhand for whatever reason. What about Bobbie Watson from Comus? Their first album, First Utterance, is anything but marginal.
OK, your arguments seems to be wise. Maybe my selection of women here isnīt just most providential. Iīd never anticipated how razzle-dazzle I can make here.
Czech proverb: Kicked goose always starts to gaggle!
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: July 25 2010 at 16:20
By the way, Comus is weird too. Seems like pub yell, itīs not my cup of tea...