Ignored bands on here
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Topic: Ignored bands on here
Posted By: Hercules
Subject: Ignored bands on here
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 17:44
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Why do some bands which were huge in the 70s seem to be almost never mentioned on here? Barclay James Harvest were described recently in a review by one of the more knowledgeable reviewers as " a pop act" which they never were - they were considered one of the archetypal prog bands. Ineed, in a poll by radio Caroline listeners (who were very discerning!) of the best 100 albums up to 1977, they had much higher placings than Yes; indeed their best album, Everyone is Everybody Else, was placed at 13, above Close to the Edge and Selling England. http://www.timepieces.nl/Top100%27s/1977RadioCaroline.html Yet I've never ever seen a single thread on them or seen them included in any poll, nor is a single album in the top 100. Mannfred Mann's Earthband, Strawbs and Uriah Heep (amongst others) also seem to get very little attention considering their former importance and none feature in the top 100. Yet Van der Graaf Generator, who were almost insignificant in the 70s, seem to feature strongly on this site. Is it just tastes changing or are many reviewers unaware of these major bands? ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 18:00
Maybe because the best bands in the PA world are not the most popular bands commercially. And i am glad it is like that!
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Posted By: caretaker
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 18:08
| Check the search engine. I just joined this year and I'm sure I've seen the bands you mentioned cited in polls and lists on the forum,especially BJH. And I know they're all listed on the site. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 18:18
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Procol Harum and Traffic is less discussed/popular on this archives then their soulbrother the Moody Blue. especially on the top 10 popular crossover list -------------  
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 18:25
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Ignored bands, no. Maybe not getting the attention you think they deserve is a different matter. Here's how you fix it: do some reviews and make your case.
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: September 13 2010 at 18:27
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I would say Jade Warrior; any poll here about them will only get several votes. ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 04:32
Strawbs I do not know (I'll check them out), Uriah Heep is not my cup of tea, but for BJH and MMEB I would not say that they are ignored here. My favourites, BJH live 1974, Solar Fire, Nightingales and Bombers have PA ratings over 4, only the good The Good Earth has a fairly low rating ( maybe, if I have time, I write a review, but I do not have time...). In the second half of the 70ies both bands develop in a more 'poppy' direction, became commercially successful, winning the masses of pop listeners, at the same time disappoint the prog/art rock listener (and me, too), which is reflected in the lower PA ratings of their later albums. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 06:51
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I've not seen much about Manfred Mann but I've seen a fair few threads on the other bands. I guess they get overrun by the DT threads. PS - surely your sig is wrong. More bread doesn't mean less sh*t, you would still have the same amount but it might not seem like it. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 08:19
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I'm going to hazard a guess on this. Groups like Strawbs, BJH, and Manfred Mann have audiences, to this day, that extend far beyond prog circles into pop, rock, and folk. So you might hear more about Strawbs than VDGG or Gentle Giant in a general rock discussion group than in a rarefied progressive discussion group.
I too was taken aback by the review remark about BJH being a pop group that implied they didn't even belong here, but one must know that in some parts of Europe BJH was hugely popular, especially Germany, right through the 80s, so I could understand gthe perception that they were a pop group, especially if you tend to the more complex side of prog in your tastes . Still, they are here because of their 70s output, which was quintessentially progresive in attitude while incorporating aspects of American and English folk and pop. Woolly Woldstenholme was one of the biggest mellotron users and John Lees' lead style is much emulated.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 08:19
You'd fill up quicker though, so maybe you wouldn't eat so many sandwich's. I'd noticed this error in his sig before but was too afraid to comment. Thaanks Alan!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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chopper wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 08:22
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Anyway. Manfred Mann....never was into him in the seventies and still aren't, ditto The Strawbs.....BJH I kind of missed due to not knowing anyone who was into them. Uriah Heep are constantly talked of here though even though they are rrrrrrrrrrrubbish.....imo....  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 08:33
Prog was very popular in the seventies (isn't DSOTM one of the best prog albums but also one of the most-selling albums in the history of rock music ?)
And Dream Theater are very popular as well. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 08:45
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I've started a few threads on Manfred Manns Earth Band, in the past. They may last one page, if that..
People don't seem to like them as much as me. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 08:47
Even I like Manfred Mann more than you!
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 10:07
^^^ Blimey, they really count for nothing around here..  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 10:16
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 15:54
Ive mentioned BJH a few times who were fantstic up until Woolly left- their music did become much more mainstream and a bit MOR after '79. John Lees' BJH with Woolly are playing again and are really great!! i think they are a bit of an aquired taste (and none the worst for that)
A band i like to Champion are Family.. Music in a dolls house and Family Entertainment are 2 of the best and most influential (along with King Crimson they were one of the chief influences on early Genesis). What about Stackeridge, Comus, Man, Fruup, Help yourself, Mellow Candle, Audience, Rare Bird etc etc.. I guess it shows my age and i maybe our more youthful brethren are more interested in DT (personally i cant see it myself...Astra and Diagonal are more my taste in the more modern prog stakes..)  ------------- |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 16:37
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In my opinion these bands are very underrated here by the members: Acid Mothers temple
Agitation free]bearfish ( quiet fantastic band)
big Elf Another quiet awesome new band.
Black Bonzo
Bubu they only made 0ne album (Quiet awesome band from Argentina)
Crusis,Espiritu, Fabrica de hacer pajaros, others great Argentinian bands
tempano quiet awesome Venezuelan band.
Can ( nobody talks about them here
Chick Corea ( he is a jazz man but RTF is quiet prog)
Collage another quirt great new band
Colosseum I and II
Djam karet
Ahvak Well I think they only had one album
(many pretty awesome Italian bands like:
Alphataurus, Ardo Dombec, Area, banco,Cervello,Crote Dei miracoli, delirum, Dolce Acqua, Dzyan,goblin, II Balleto Di bronzo, JET,l'ouvo di colombo, Museo Rosenbach
fate Warning deverse more attention in general.
Eberhard Weber Another jazz man but his albums are quiet fantastically prog/jazz.
The Canterbury EGG and Arzachel, Khan,
Edgar frose Solo albums are as good as TD.
Embryo
Enchant
Flasket Brinner . I dont think I ever heard anyone mentioned not even once this band here. quiet fantastic from germany.
frumpy
gazpacho
happy Family quiet amazing Japanese Rio/fusion/prog band. only 2 albums.
Hidria Spacefolks Quiet like Ozric but worthed to be check it out.
Lucifer Was ( black sabbath meets Jethro Tull. that what JT would sound if Tony did stay in the band.)
Morte Macabre, Aknedoten, Aglangard. I haven't anyone that like them here.
Oregon Jazz but good for the prog fands.
Paatos
Phideaux
Pure Reason Revolution great band.
rare Bird
Seiges Even new quiet awesome band .One of the best of today prog.
Supernova
tentragron
Thinking Plague
Trettioariga kriget
Winds Progmetal band very unknown and quiet awesome as many other progmetal bands that are pretty popular in the progworld.
Give them a chance to these bands and musicians let start creating polls and topics...
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Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 16:53
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Comus and Strawbs among others mentioned above do get a fairly decent amount of attention. However numerous Prog Folk bands are criminally overlooked, like Loudest Whisper, Sindelfingen or Tir Na nOg. But then again there's a whole subgenre that is almost totally ignored around these parts, which is quite a shame. Besides Shakti & John McLaughlin there's not much interest in Indo/Raga artists. Edit - and speaking of Oregon, I have Out of the Woods planned for tomorrow. Looking foreward to it. |
Posted By: GY!BE
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 17:18
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I've heard about these major bands but I don't think they left their mark on the prog scene like Yes and Genesis did....SALISBUTY by Huriah Heep is listed among the best rated heavy prog albums tough...
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 14 2010 at 17:55
It is one of the bands that I enjoy listening to a lot. I always thought that they were not totally pop music, but had a side that came from it ... and if there was a problem it was (and is still) that rock music critics and reviewers are not capable of talking about music without saying that someone is better and is the standard, and everyone else is crap! The same still takes place with "progressive" reviews. BJH was often compared with The Moody Blues, and in fact they got so tired of that they they put together a song about it ... "Poor Man's Moody Blues" ... and if it were me I would had put on the single cover the Mad Magazine ... finger ... and say ... not interested in your number one!
MM's Earth Band deserves a mention here and there. What takes them down is ... yet another Bob Dylan song done ... is that progressive? ... ohhh wait ... let's do Bruce this time ... and I think that we're too damaged and sometimes jaded, in order to appreciate the musicianship involved in this band and the very nice albums they put together. I am particular to "Glorified Magnified", "Solar Fire" and "The Rare Earth" ... but I have to tell you that the other day I put all these on the CD and was driving down the road and by the time it got to "The Rare Earth" I was getting a bit tired of it and had to switch out. That doesn't happen to me in most of the great bands. That said, there is an incredible amount of material in this band that is very good ... and deserves some credit. Uriah Heep, I don't think it was that great or important. They did have a couple of nice covers. I really thought that by this time there were a lot of bands out there that came out and every one had their trip and whatever, but many were just rock bands that were not really any more special than any other out there, but they happened to be noticed. There are a lot of bands in the lands of the British that had better work and tried a lot harder and deserve the mention a lot more ... specially in a progressive board. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 11:23
Maybe not every day but a great deal of the artists you mentioned are known and discussed here. ------------- omri |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 12:07
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One band never gets mention in here and are NOT even in the Archives are The Sensational Alex Harvey Band why are they NOT in the Archives here ? to me they were damn fine Prog band who where around in the classic prog era of the 70s , damn site more Prog some the bands in the archives here that for shore.. Maybe its because they weren't from North America Cough cough ------------- 
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 12:08
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And yes i to love a bit of BJH
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 12:51
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Posted By: thechrisl
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 13:35
I love these bands! See also Dungen.......... Wow, just realized I have a man-crush on Reine Fiske. ...And a woman-crush on Anna Sofi Dahlberg.  |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 16:43
Sensational Alex Harvey Band!! Fantastic!! He was such a great Character, a real raconteur, and that showed in his music! Great showman backed by some superb musicians. i only got to see him on 'the mafia stole my guitar' tour and he had a different band then.. still fantastic but there were serious health problems by then. Much missed!! ------------- |
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 17:11
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Anekdoten! Wonderful band but they don't get a lot of attention on the site. -------------  
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 21:02
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Cardiacs ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 21:14
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I love the Cardiacs.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 21:21
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So do I. Not enough people know about them, though. Now that their albums are available to download on iTunes, they have NO EXCUSE.
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 21:32
Due to the expensiveness of their albums, I'm strongly considering purchasing Sing to God off of iTunes. But not until I bike to my local used record shops and see if some fool sold their Cardiac CDs first, would love to own the actual discs, it's a strange aspect of me that I rarely remember my digital copies exist after the first few listens.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 21:34
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