Why isn’t Prog more popular?
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Topic: Why isn’t Prog more popular?
Posted By: xhamasaki
Subject: Why isn’t Prog more popular?
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:44
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Why isn't it more popular? It really is probably the only truly creative, innovative and revolutionary form of music, is it because people are just shallow and stupid? I don't get it. I find it somewhat, I don't know how to say it, funny?- that the people that listen to prog generally have a much higher intellect and ability to understand things than people that listen to very mainstream and MTV kinds of music. Is prog really only for intelligent people? What do you guys think?
Edit: Im not trying to say that prog fans are smarter that other fans, I'm saying that I think you have to be at least a LITTLE bit smart to get into it, which unfortunately IS a factor in why it's not popular. |
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Posted By: Dreamer
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:49
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I've been thinking about the same thing. I know of no one outside my familly who listens to prog the way I do, but saying I am more inteligient is a lie. Progressive music is challenging, it requires thought and time. People are just too lazy and closed minded. Open mindedness, in my opinion, is the most important thing.
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Posted By: frippertronik
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:50
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yes xhamasaki, the people is shallow and stupid, their minds are closed, and their heads are thick as a brick ------------- a plague of lighthouse keepers |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:52
| Money talks these days. |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:53
| well im not trying to sound stuck up or anything, but if you compare the average person that listens to prog to the average person that listens to say... "fitty cent" (what a retard) or yellowcard/simple plan/ any clone punk band, the prog person is almost ALWAYS going to be 1) more intelligent, 2) probably older, 3) more mature |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:54
| i dont understand why record labels cant think to promote the styles of music that comprise prog. You'd think they could step out to people and be like: want to listen to something that is completely original, artistic, and probably like nothing you've ever heard before? Listen to this band ________, they are a progressive rock band |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:55
so you are intelligent?
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xhamasaki wrote:
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:56
I'll make you a favor, and I'll pretend I didn't read this amount of sh*t you wrote, ok? ------------- And above all, is punk 
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 12:58
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I find people complaining that progressive rock is pretentious, that it
has crazy lyrics or that it has no emotion (equals being "too
technical"). I don't agree with them on the last two arguments. Concerning the argument of being pretentious, it might be true. But it is still a hell lot better than crap most people listen to. 
------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:00
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you know its true deep down inside, that alot of the people that listen to mainstream stuff that the record industry shoves down their throats are tools...
I'm not really trying to come off as arrogant, and I don't really mean it like that, but I do think of myself as intelligent for wanting to listen to a style of music that strays away from the average 2:50 pop song and I know deep down inside that alot of you people flaming me feel the same way |
Posted By: Dreamer
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:00
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I dont think age has anything to do with it. I am not even 16 yet, but have been listening to Pink FLoyd since i was 13, and Yes when I was 14. I think it has more to so with morality, and childhood experiences with music and in some way, culture. I find "MTV music" very uncultured. Its got to do with people stepping out of the box the pop music has created. I had a few conversations recently and was amazed at how ignorant some of my freinds were about music in general. I talked about Mike Jacksons music, since of the current events you all know of, and he said "how can you say its bad music? look how many people listen to it!" I got so pis*ed and couldnt control my nerve any longer. |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:02
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I don't like the whole "pretentious" argument certain people have against prog- it becomes like "oh so because i dont choose to listen to the same music as everyone else I'm pretentious?"
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:04
Man, please, STOP! You already wrote sh*t enough on this topic, and this remind me why I don't like Prog Rock as many of you do. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:05
| What did i say that was such "sh*t" ? Explain? So you think that people that enjoy listening to rap and bad punk rock/pop rock because other people say it's cool are intelligent and can think on their own? |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:06
Aren't you being pretentious, for hell?! Saying that only Prog Rock is innovative, and saying you're glad to like it instead of like pop music. So, only prog is good music, uh? Don't you realize how stupid you're being? Grow up, boy. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:06
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Progressive rock becomes too complicated for the average music listener. Their minds can't handle such greatness. Plus it's not catchy. |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:10
You're saying that progressive is the only innovative and good music. Then go to hell with your fanatism, I just can't stand it. My english isn't a great thing, and today is worst than ever, so I can't create a bigger argument. Listenning to prog instead of punk DON'T MAKE YOU BETTER THAN ANYBODY, this is a silly arrogant argument of yours. Public Image Ltd. IF FAR MORE INTELLIGENT than Yes, and more inventive as well. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:12
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well for one fantomas, I'm older than you, but for me- I consider any type of music that is innotave is prog, because one definition of "progressive" is things that bring about change, that are innovative, etc. Thats why the people in the US during the early 1900s that wanted to bring about social change were called "progressives"
For me, my definition of prog is quite different than many people in these forums. I never said prog is the only good form of music, why are you putting words in my mouth? I dont really appreciate that coming from a 15 year old... I'm saying- why isn't the style of music more popular? Is it because people can't handle how complex/complicated? By that answer, doesnt that basically mean that they are less "intelligent"? Or is the style of music less popular because record labels figure they can keep forcing britney spears down peoples' throats because its more marketable- meaning prog just doesn't get much publicity? |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:12
| Different people want different things out of music. It's got nothing to do with intellect or maturity - I've said in the past that prog fans are snobbish and that's just the way things are but this thread is painfully stuck up. I'm with Fantomas on this one. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:14
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There are many people that just say "I listen to genre XYZ and everything else sucks". They are convinced that their point of view is right, and don't listen to anyone who thinks different. That's mainly because they're scared that the others might be right. The other type of music lover has no problem with other genres than the one he knows best. I think I am that way, just look at my signature. I might even add Dvorak, The Beautiful South, Meat Loaf and the Propellerheads, if it wasn't limited to 200 characters. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:15
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Public Image Ltd. IF FAR MORE INTELLIGENT than Yes, and more inventive as well.
Can't say I agree with this statement, "because Yes is more popular, PIL is more intelligent" that's the kind of elitism I always find very amusing
my english isn't the best today also, my thoughts are more coherent than this scribbling ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:16
| what i'm trying to say is, do people that enjoy other types of music instead of prog just not understand it, or do they simply prefer less complex music? I know from personal experience that of my friends that Ive introduced to prog- all of them like it alot and told me how amazed they were at how they'd never heard of the genre before. Maybe its just because its less accessible due to less advertising/marketing |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:16
Prog isn't popular because it's obsolete now for the great public. Goddamnit, can't you see it? ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:19
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my question is Why (try reading the topic)
mtv used to play Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, etc- why did they stop? |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:24
BECAUSE IT'S OBSOLETE ALREADY TO THE MAJOR PUBLIC. God... ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:25
| Wow try using a little bit of reading comprehension- Why is it obsolete? Are you that dense? Answer the question, thats the point of the topic... instead of getting angry, try to answer the question |
Posted By: mickstafa
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:25
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Because we live in the information age, where people's attention spans
are not what they used to be. Look at the roads, look at people's
reaction to how "long" the war in Iraq is, look at any other pop
culture icon and you'll see materialism and typically lack of
depth. The urban culture (R&B and rap) has pretty much killed most of what Prog stands for. Anyhow, I'm glad its not pop. I like being "in the know." |
Posted By: sstarless
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:26
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I have a quasi-scientific explanation :) After thousands of years of human history, especially last century, many different styles of music have emerged and it’s difficult for one man to listen and appreciate them all. Therefore listeners are divided between the styles. To say that progressive is not enough popular you have to know the proportion of its listeners compare to other styles. Which needs the proper calculation and probably have never been done. Do we know how many people listen to jazz, classic, various folk or rock music? Only after this is known it will be possible to speculate about the reasons of differences among stylistic popularities. There is no need to ask why prog is not a part of modern pop culture, since it is already quiet old style and passed it period of mainstream popularity as did other styles and probably will do recent.
------------- Io sono nato libero |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:27
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delete this post ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:29
Damn, are you an idiot? It's obsolete because it didn't evolved. Ain't it obvious? ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:31
| but prog never was considered mainstream. even in the 70's when it was at its peak, prog records could never outsell the likes of kc and the sunshine band, beegees, etc. My dad grew up during that time, (in highschool in the mid-late 70's) and he has never heard of / listened to many of the popular prog bands. (He listens to alot of differnt music, including pink floyd, etc) The genre was never really THAT popular compared to other styles of music, which is the point of my post- Why was/is it not as popular as other forms of music? |
Posted By: mickstafa
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:31
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What? Ok, I'm going to stop posting on these damn boards. This is not a nice place. Anyhow, watch MTV cribs. Watch the bafoons with all the money savor in their 200,000 dollar cars, live in rediculously rich mansions with pictures of themselves plastered all over the walls. They all too often in love with themselves, their materialism, and their wealth. Imagine a Prog episode of Cribs. Imagine seeing Jon Anderson, Bruford, Fripp and their house. Sure it will be nice, but do you think they'll act like the morons you find on MTV? hell no. And yes we are in the information age where attention spans are limited. Man why do I bother posting here if all that happens are flame wars. See yall later. |
Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:32
But progressive rock did a little comeback this decade. It was almost dead during the 80s and 90s and now there are some new bands showing up... ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: Hibou
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:32
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I firmly believe loving prog has everything to do with musical sensibilities, not brains. If you have an ear for music and love rock (no matter what your IQ or social station may be), chances are you’ll enjoy prog.
It isn't popular because it is fundamentally a music lover's music. The same applies to jazz and classical music. These genres just don't agree with the average joe's ears. ------------- [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/Progueuse/Album.jpg"> Gene Police: You!! Out of the pool! |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:33
Maybe because every human is dumb, except you.  ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: mickstafa
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:35
Dude, what is your problem? |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:35
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I dont want a flame war either, I dont understand why people are getting angry- cough cough fantomas... Prog is not one single genre, its a mix of different styles grouped into one name. The genre is constantly evolving I dont understand why some people say it didn't "evolve"... that seems to imply that prog has a set formula. Prog music stands for anything experimental and different sounding- which means it constantly evolves, so saying it faded out during the 80s because it didnt evolve makes no sense at all
edit: seriously whats your problem? Maybe you need to go outside or something, or maybe grow up since youre only 15 |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:37
Sorry about that post against you. I misunderstood your previous post, then I edited my post. I have no problem. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: sstarless
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:37
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What to say about my English? Untill I typed my previose post whole hell broke here. Today I am surprisingly calm PEACE ------------- Io sono nato libero |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:38
| he was posting against you because you keep flaming me for absolutely no reason, grow up |
Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:38
I often hear that <insert progressive rock band> is a band that musicians like to hear. It is basically saying the same thing. ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:39
My problem is that you started the topic in a very arrogant way. How that is irritant... And I'm not 15, I'm 16... ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:39
Oh no! Please don't let these sorts of threads get to you! Think of all the great discussions that take place here too. This website is unique - the single biggest online community of prog fans. Don't let one or two idiots get you down. |
Posted By: mickstafa
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:40
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Yeah come on guys, act your age and stop bickering. Discuss prog
and if you disagree with someone, make an intelligent post instead of
flaming them. If you can't then just move on.... Ok Trouser, you got be back |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:44
| If the genre isn't meant for the "average joe" wouldnt that mean that it generally takes a somewhat higher intellect/ better understanding/appreciation of music to enjoy it? Logically speaking. Maybe the record companies don't promote it because they know that the average mtv clone wouldn't find it "cool" |
Posted By: SomethingGood
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:45
| in my opinion prog doesn't appeal to the masses because it takes quite a bit to get into, all of my fav prog albums took a good few listens before i really appreciated the talent and the effort that had been put into them. prog songs are generally not radio-friendly as well, it seems most people just want to here short 3 minute songs that are catchy and that they can sing along to straight away. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:45
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Don't let them amuse you to death ... it's ALL JUST MUSIC! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:46
You see! That's the reason why I'm angry. You use sh*tty arguments to try to prove something. No, it just mean that the music isn't comercial, but I don't mean it's more intelligent that Nine Inch Nails, for an example. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:49
| But why isn't it commercial? Because it's hard for the AVERAGE PERSON to get into (keyword average) I don't see how my argument is "sh*tty"... Find me a person that listens to prog that is stupid (and please don't be immature and be like OMG YOU LOL IM SO COOL AND ORIGINAL) |
Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:50
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That is a good one: progressive rock is not radio nor music video
friendly. Imagine a 25 minute long music video or music on radio? They
lose money from ads and other income sources. A butchered version of a
long epic prog music is even worst a solution. ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: WillieThePimp
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:51
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Prog isn't popular because most people don't enjoy music as much as
many of the people on this site (although some seem to enjoy it because
they think they have teh ultimate power because they happened to
stumble accross this website or would like to kick show and tell up a
notch with it in school). Many people are content with the stuff that
the radio puts on because they usually only listen to music when
driving home from work or going to school. I graduated with a fellow musician who made a perfect 800 on both sections sections of the SAT is recognized by the International Society of Poets for his essays and poems. His FAVORITE artists are Kenny G and smooth jazz artists and thinks prog isn't that interesting. If he is stupid than I would like the know the definition of intelligent. Sure maybe closed minded, but not "un-intelligent." ------------- You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:53
No, it isn't comercial because it's normally more "introspective" music, it doesn't thrill most of the people, it's long music. But it's not more intelligent music
You. And to many others to list. There's stupid guys in every kind of music. Again you use that sh*tty argument in an arrogant way that disgust me... ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:53
| Can you imagine any prog bands seeing any real commercial success at all? I mean, on Frances the Mute, its kind of obvious that "The Widow" was written to be a radio favorite, to sort of get people into the band by listening over the radio. Why is it that alot of bands have to change their sound when they get popular (just to get popular?) Look at Hoobastank- listen to their old stuff, then listen to the atrocious "the reason" heh |
Posted By: sstarless
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:54
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Are you trying to say that King Crimson is not a prog band or its again my English? Likes of KC, Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd where indeed very popular. Maybe not the most popular (except PF) but deffinetly a substantial part of 70ies pop culture. I think prog has evolved pretty much already in 70ies that was possible to be still within the genre, and as a result it is extremely divers. ------------- Io sono nato libero |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:55
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thanks for being completely immature and using the immature response i told you not to use. You're so smart, go away. I'm not saying that people that listen to otehr forms of music are stupid, just that they are uninformed maybe? I mean the ones that go along with the crowd I think we can all assume are dumb...but of course willie there are people that are intelligent that dont listen to prog, what I mean is- do you have to be atleast a little bit more intelligent/ musically inclined than the average person to liste to prog?
fantomas honestly you are an asshole grow up |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:56
As I said before, not everybody like progressive. And not everybody that like progressive is intelligent. I find no reason why it should be more popular than Punk Rock. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:58
| Fantômas, xhamasaki - Please agree to differ. |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:58
| sstarless i meant kc and the sunshine band- its the group that made the song "shake shake shake, shake shake shake, shake your bootie!" lol thats a lot of shakes. But- no those bands weren't very popular (except pink floyd), how many number one hits did they each have? Maybe one? That's not really POPULAR, atleast not like other bands that can consistently have #1 hits |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:58
Please, learn how to use commas. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: sstarless
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 13:59
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what is intelligent music? ------------- Io sono nato libero |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:01
| What I'm saying, is why isn't it more popular than it is right now, not why isnt it more popular than other styles of music... When i was in highschool, the only people that listened to prog were people in the gifted program and music programs, maybe thats why i have a preconceived notion that only smart people/ musicians listen to prog? |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:01
First off all, congratulations for your signature. Great bands there. I tried to stop this absolutely silly discussion, but I can't. Seeing people using bad arguments, and making me post the same thing again again, makes me lost my mind. Sorry y'all guys... ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:02
Every music is intelligent. In a "popular catchy" way, or in a "selective" way. But none is more intelligent than other. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:03
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pssht you havent said anything either. I'm triyng to get other people to be involved and give me their opinions, but all i ahve is you to insult me and say the exact same thing over and over again. seriously, i didnt want to turn this into a flame war- my thoughts on why its not that popular is that mostly smart people listen to it and for lack of a better word, dumber people cant appreciate its complexity. It may sound pretentious but thats my explanation for it, based on personal experiences. That doesn't make me arrogant, it's just what ive seen/experienced
edit: so singing about "big pimpin'" and "In da club" and all the clone punk bands are intelligent? I beg to differ... maybe its intelligent in the way that those artists know that whatever they make can sell to people that are tools |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:03
Yes, you have a preconceived notion that just doesn't make sense. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:05
Well, Jean Michel Jarre can gather thousands (if not millions) in audience of his large outdoor concerts. Jean Michel Jarre is kinda progressive too, right? ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:05
It shows you're no experienced enough. I'm sure you met intelligent people that don't like progressive because it's boring (in their opinion). ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:06
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well it makes sense to me and alot of other people in this forum... so you're arguing with me because you feel its possible to be a tool and stupid and enjoy prog? Believe me, I know you arent stupid, because if you were you wouldnt be posting on this board. If you were stupid, you wouldnt appreciate the style of music honestly
edit: yes ive met smart people that didnt like prog, but thats NOT THE POINT OF THE THREAD... I'm not trying to say that prog is better than other styles of music, I'm trying to say that you ahve to have at least some intellect/ musical interest to get into it |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:06
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Fantômas - Thanks for noticing my sig! Still, you're carrying when I think it'd be better for you to walk away for now. xhamasaki - I can understand that you didn't want a flame war, but that's just what we have now, so drop it. |
Posted By: sstarless
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:07
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I was asking, what means an intelligent music? ------------- Io sono nato libero |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:10
| intelligent music is music where the focus is on things more deep than having sex with "hoes" and generic relationship songs |
Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:11
excuse me my friend, but how can you say all that things? are you talking seriously??? it does not mean that if someone listens to prog that he is smarter than someone who does not listen. everything in life is a matter of taste, and do not forget that prog was quite popular and mainstream in the 70s. groups like elp, king crimson, genesis and many more had many platinum records during that period. as years pass, tastes and preferences change and it would be quite boring if all the people had the same music tastes. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dreamer
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:11
| Wow, this thread turned into a mess... A bit of a shame. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:11
Intelligent music is found in every genre. There are stupid prog songs, intelligent pop songs ... only dumb people bash genres. PEACE ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: fractal
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:12
I beg to differ. You are from Brazil like me. You certainly know certain music genres that are... far less inspired than, say, bossa nova or classic MPB (popular brazilian music). Think a certain comercial-ass-shaking music that has no qualities of its own, just good looking dancers...  ------------- Klaatu Barada Nikto! |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:13
| im not saying that someone who is a prog fan is smarter than other music fans, what im saying is that you ahve to be smart to get into the style of music |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:13
Thing is, you can even get intelligent dance music. Lemon Jelly, anyone? Mike's right - only a moron bashes whole genres. |
Posted By: sstarless
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:14
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I would appreciate more precise explanation. Are you saying that inteligence of music is measured by the inteligence of its lyrical content? I personally know what is an intelligent man or even animal or even machine evn a woman ( ------------- Io sono nato libero |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:14
DROP IT. |
Posted By: Dreamer
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:15
| I don't want to be provocative, but can you tell me a top quality rap artist? I am interested |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:16
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Fantööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööm - ASS!!! is that colour sh*tty enough to fitt your pathetic f**kin brain???? GO DIE !!!
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Posted By: sstarless
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:16
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2 pac ------------- Io sono nato libero |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:17
| talib kweli is good I guess, hes more of an obscure rapper, a sort of "progressive" rapper if you can use that term.. because he doesnt sound like any others |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:18
I personally can't because I don't much like the genre, but I don't doubt that there are one or two rap artists doing something very creative, intelligent and different. They'd only have a slim cult following though. I don't think anyone can dismiss any genre off hand. It's a dangerous and ignorant thing to do. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:19
Flowerchild! Please show some decorum. You've only been back a few days!  |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:21
Come on, you can't be serious about that. Even if you don't like bands like Yes and Genesis you still have to admit that more intellect is put in their music than in the average mainstream britney spears album. Don't always try to sum it all up with one statement that's simply not true. |
Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:21
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if they create something creative, intelligent and different, wouldnt that make them progressive? lol you said yourself trouser that they would only have a slim cult following. Why is this? Why can't people that make intelligent, creative, and different music have bigger fan bases? I just don't get it |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:21
Axe and Pagode, as an example, are very smart music in the catchy way! For the people who like it, it rocks! It's great to dance (not for me. I hate it). In this sense it's intelligent, because it makes people "dance with it". ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:22
The X-ecutioners ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:23
| Fantomas you didnt answer BebieM's post. Not all music is intelligent and you know it. |
Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:25
mate, it may not be top quality for you but it might be for other people. i am not a god to say which music style is the best in the world. everyone listens to what he likes. for example you might like genesis and someone else might dislke them. what does this mean? that they are worthless? no, they are ok for you but not for someone else. f*ck labels people, who caes if something is rock or rap or metal or rave, music is music. every style of music has its good and bad moments. rap might mean so much for black people, it's a part of their culture, i can not judge them for that. anyway everyone has his own opinion on the subject but at least try to express them in a proper way. -------------
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:26
First of all, I don't have to admit ANYTHING because you say I must. In the sense of "musical quality" it's more intelligent, but in the "pop" way it's not. There isn't just one "intellect", it depends of the point you view it. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:26
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I know, but that f**kin kid is a real pain in the ass for a lot of people here*, besides..it's fun to meet him at his own LOW level.....urk!!! *I allready know i'm the same for some, but they are all crap anyway, so i don't give a f**k |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:28
Because, as I said many posts back DIFFERENT PEOPLE WANT DIFFERENT THINGS FROM MUSIC. Some people, like us, want something artistic and creative - a CHALLENGE. Some people want something emotional, with touching sentimental lyrics and a melody they can hum along to. Some people want to look cool and will go with whatever is the media trend. We may pity them but it's their choice - I know many intelligent people who still take this route with choosing music. Some people want music to dance to. Prog's not for them, is it? Progressive music is for people who want something very specific, the aforementioned challenge. You don't have to be the sharpest tool in the box to want that, and your suggestion to the contrary is what put mine and other's backs up. |
Posted By: WillieThePimp
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:28
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What's everyone's favorite ice cream? Brand, flavor and toppings. ------------- You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:28
C'mon, child. I won't even answer to you because I don't want to see you crying "uaaaaa, we should just keep on music, no go personnal".  ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:28
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Give it up, u don't know Fantom-ass, he is klike that! Stupid, overblown, childish and pretentious...just ignore him!!! |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:29
I'm not fussy about brands - just so long as it's raspberry flavour. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:29
Chill. I thought we'd started afresh. You know that just because some people deserve a right thrashing, doesnt mean you have to administer it.You'll get thrown off and there is no real point to that. |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: June 16 2005 at 14:30
Get a life, dude... ------------- And above all, is punk
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