Suggests Some RIO! And some Neo Prog
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Topic: Suggests Some RIO! And some Neo Prog
Posted By: frippism
Subject: Suggests Some RIO! And some Neo Prog
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 11:36
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So in an attempt to once again take broaden my tastes I'd like people to offer me artists from two very different sides of the prog spectrum: RIO (or in this case all avant garde music) and Neo Prog. Now I'm a pretty big avant head as it is- Frith, UZ, Miriodor, well all of them honestly I love most of them (of course Cardiacs included). So any RIO recommendations are appreciated. Now for the tricky bit- from the Neo-Prog I've been exposed to I'm still to be enlightened- so I would truly appreciate all and any suggestions for me to check out- it would help if they have some sort of sonic connection possibly just possibly to avant music. I know the big names of Neo-Prog, so you probably shouldn't bother with suggesting Marillion or Frost* or Pallas or that jazz. But yes! Thank You! For any! Help! Which you might! Give me! ------------- There be dragons |
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 12:01
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Neo acts I would recommend are Abel Ganz, Pendragon (go for Passion, which is, in reality, an exceptional heavy prog album), IQ (last two studio albums), and most definitely Sylvan's Posthumous Silence. Why not try later Marillion, BTW - Brave & Marbles - have a look at the reviews  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 12:24
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RIO is a mystery to me, but of the NEO prog crowd I'd pick out IQ - Frequency (classic ne-prog) Mostly Autumn - Passengers (less folky more neo than there previous releases) Other recent but decent..... The Hemulic Voluntary Band - Ritual (Scandinavian folky prog) Riverside - Second Life Syndrome or Rapid Eye Movement (Polish retro Floydian prog)
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 12:42
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- Samla Mammas Manna - Cheer-Accident (Not RIO, but very good avant prog) As for neo, well, I don't think I've heard any.  Oh, and Mr. Bungle, check them out if you haven't done so.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 12:44
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You probably already know Art Zoyd if you're already big on RIO, but every album of theirs up to and including Berlin, as well as Haxan and Faust are terrific, I think. I guess I might recommend Generation Sans Futur to start with, or Les Espaces Inquiets. Another fave album of mine that is not really well known in the "avant" camp is Geinoh Yamashirogumi's Osorezan. And I guess you know The Residents. And cause it's so good, I want to mention Igor Wakhevitch's Docteur Faust which is avant oriented. As for Neo Prog, I'm not a fan of the category, but an album I did enjoy with an artist that is listed in that category is Marc Ceccotti's Sometimes Around Saturn. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 12:49
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Haha! I thought this was a joke! RIO and Neo prog???
Alrighty then you´ve asked for it: Marillion - Fugazi Samla Mammas Manna - Måltid IQ - Frequency Etron Fou Leboublan - Les 3 Fous Perdegagnent, aus pays des... Fish - Sunsets on Empire Henry Cow - Legend Sanguine Hum - Diving Bell Stormy Six - L´Apprendista ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 12:58
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^ Nope it's not a joke! I'm 100% pure cereal! Just trying to see if Neo Prog has something in there to manage to touch my heart and bring a tear to my eye and my ear wiggle. Thanks for all the recs so far, I'll try IQ soon I thinks, maybe they'll manage to grab me. As for the RIO recommendations of course I've heard of most of them (you're dealing with a master hipster- I'm a fan of the obscure). I'll make sure to check out Yamashirogumi as I've been meaning to Czech (ha!) it out for some time. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 13:05
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You should definitely try SMM and Stormy Six. SS practically changed their style with every album.
Almost forgot, if you don´t pay attention to tags - then you should definitely try Picchio dal Pozzo´s Abbiamo tutti... It really sounds like it was part of the RIO movement, although it´s from 80.  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 13:07
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^ Checked them already, but neither have really grabbed me yet, I should probably just listen to them even more. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 13:47
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You say you know Frith, I hope you've got some Skeleton Crew, Art Bears, and the album Desperate Straights that HC did with Slapp Happy. Like Logan suggests, Art Zoyd is absolutely essential. Just get as much of their ridiculously expensive material as you can afford or find (I get my Zoyd from the library  ).Cheer-Accident can be hit-and-miss but I'd check out Fear Draws Misfortune if you never have. Jean Louis has nothing to do with the RIO movement but is some seriously kickass avant-prog/jazz. Guapo is also not RIO but is a fantastic band. edit: +1 on Picchio Dal Pozzo |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 13:52
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^^^ yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep knows everything I. Skeleton Crew is a mad obsession of mine almost. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 14:15
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Well that's good then. Don't overlook Guapo's earlier albums, they are better than the ratings would suggest. I'm utterly lost on Neo-Prog and its supposed merits, so I can't help you there. Ever listened to Ahvak, Doctor Nerve, The Feed-Back, Zu, Yugen, Jannick Top's Infernal Machina, Makajodama? If you like metal at all maybe look into some bands like Grayceon or i am above on the left Might also be time to look into some avant-garde jazz, something like Sun Ra or Christian Vander et les Trois Jefs or Yochk'o Seffer's Perception |
Posted By: Oliverum
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 14:28
Subsignal - Beautiful and Monstrous Abel Ganz (at least Shooting Albatross) equally as good, don't ask me about RIO though.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 18:31
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There's a very good neoprog band called La Tulipe Noire. Give their Shattered Image a try. (They will be listed on PA as Tulipe Noire, La) ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 19:36
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try Enchant and It Bites they are Neo Prog, and nice souning
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 19:49
| This thread is crying out for NEO Museum. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 20:05
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Some good RIO bands: Ahvak Estradasphere French TV Mirthkon Samla Mammas Manna Yugen X-Legged Sally Volapuk Alamaailman Vasarat Aranis Cheer Accident Die Knodel Far Corner Gatto Marte Hamster Theatre Julverne Henry Cow Korekyojin Miriodor Nebelnest Rational Diet Present Rascal Reporters Salle Gaveau Rattlemouth Le Silo Stormy Six Thinking Plague Taylor's Universe Univers Zero Upsilon Acrux -------------  |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 03:46
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Alta Via - Girt Dog http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6314" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6314
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 04:31
RIO/Avant Thinking Plague In Extremis The major U.S. "RIO" band, with some occasional Frippish guitar. Vocals are sung (usually by a female singer; or Bob Drake who sounds like a female singer.  )
in a very, ummm, non-standard manner that takes a bit of getting used
to. "Jagged" is the word I'd use. Pretty out there stuff.5uu's Hunger's Teeth Features sometime Thinking Plague members Dave Kerman and Bob Drake, as well as Susanne Lewis on two tracks. Drake has somewhat of a Jon Anderson sound, but the music is nothing like Yes (well, maybe "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" slightly). The music? Weird, for sure. Not really sure how to describe it, other than definitely being in the RIO/Avant mode. Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Petrophonics Wonderful, slightly jazzy stuff, lead by piano and sax/flute. Beautiful! Doctor Nerve Skin Wow. Bizarre is one word. Heavy on woodwinds (trumpet, sax, clarinet) with some fairly outrageous guitar. Some songs composed by computer program? Or something like that! Got to be in the right mood, but very unique. (I can't believe no one has written a review for this!) French TV 6 The Violence of Amateurs A little bit of everything. Very eclectic; no two songs sound the same. Often hard to tell it's the same band! Sometimes jazzy, sometimes symphonic, often quite humorous. Has a cover of "Joosan Lost/The Fate" by Zamla Mammas Manna. I've actually never heard the original, but this version is quite wonderful. Hamster Theatre Carnival Detournement I call it "acid polka" for its heavy reliance on accordian. Also trombone, and a lot of rather unusual instruments. Fun, funny stuff. Features three members of Thinking Plague. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum Grand Opening and Closing Often heavy (metallish at times, but don't let that scare you off), always bizarre. Sometimes similar to Thinking Plague. Some wonderful female vocals (and violin!!), and some male vocals that can be beautiful, and also violent (death-metalish, but again don't dismiss it on this point!). Il Berlione Il Berlione Not listed as RIO/Avant, but I think has some similarities. And I was just listening to this today and continue to love it. Kind of a "heavy jazz" vibe (lots of saxophone), with heavy guitar and wonderful percussion. And keyboards. A couple cool "traditional Japanese folk" (I assume!) sounding songs. Again, I'm shocked this has not been reviewed here. Not even a rating, actually. Wut up wit dat!! Neo-Prog Every Waking Hour Writing on the Wall Local Denver band with just this one album (so far!). Very melodic; accessible, but not poppy (at least IMHO). Total opposite of RIO/Avant, though, as they omit what they call the "angular dissonance of many bands in the genre that often make prog inaccessible to casual listeners". Very fine guitar and keyboard, neither of which dominates the other. I'm rather surprised I could not find more Neo-prog to recommend, other than the "usual suspects". Two others on my list were possibilities, Ad Infinitum and Iluvatar, but honestly I don't like them enough to recommend. I'll be interested to hear what others recommend! Frank ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
frippism wrote:Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 04:36
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 04:37
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The only neo-prog band I like isn't even neo-prog, really and that's The Tangent. Well, at least their first 2 or 3 albums anyhow. Retro-prog is better and I'd go for Anekdoten, Anglagard and some of those Swedish bands with Mellotron. -------------
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 09:50
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Well I listened to IQ- it was nice- I can't really say it was great unfortunately. I listened to parts of Frequency and stuff. Anything else neo-proggish someone have to offer? I'm gonna try It Bites now, they sound interesting. Is there any avantish neo prog? Is there such a thing? ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 10:46
| Personally i really like IQs frequency, but I'd also concede that it isn't exactly breaking any new ground. I'd have said Frost were at the more diverse end of the 'neo' sub genre but you already have them on your radar. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 11:21
have you tried this album by the known band Pallas -------------
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 13:00
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Well, I'll be of no use as far as neo-prog is concerned but as for RIO the first thing to do is make sure you've covered all the genuine contributors to the original RIO movement (namely Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Samla Mammas Manna, Stormy Six, Etron Fou Leloublan, Art Zoyd, Art Bears and Aksak Maboul). Now I know at least most of those will already be familiar to you, but be sure not to overlook Samla, Etron Fou and Aksak - they're all quite unique and splendid and laid down a lot of the conventions (and yes, there are conventions) of avant-prog. Additionally, how much have you explored Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart? Both are well worth spending a lot of time with. |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 14:02
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 14:03
Both with Zappa and with the Captain I'm very much a fan- though if I had to choose Beefheart would be my preferred choice (I just noticed your podcasts name!). I would go as far as to say Beefheart was the 70s biggest genius (unless you count Tim Smith but ya know Cardiacs really got their groove on in the 80s and not int the 70s). Zappa though is brilliant in almost every fashion, though he too has his f**k ups.
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 14:04
I've heard many a good things of it- I think I'll check it out. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 23:11
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Well I've listened to "Dreams Of Men" on YT and while I'm not a fan of the vocals, the guitars, and the dramatic sounds, well while I'm not a fan of the sound in general, I can still sorta enjoy and appreciate it for what it is. I can't really explain why but yeah... I definitely didn't cringe- which is progress. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: August 29 2011 at 08:04
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I can't add much neo prog to the list. but I recommend the avant-garde band Hesus Attor. Their new EP is free for download here: http://hesusattor.com/album/se-orai" rel="nofollow - http://hesusattor.com/album/se-orai Just see the reviews: it's a great band! ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 29 2011 at 10:04
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 11:19
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@ frippisme, have you any knowledge of Killing Joke, i recomend you to seek them out couse if you like the experimental nature of the Cardiacs, you are gonna love Killing Joke, whom also as Cardiacs are post metal and also something totaly different all together
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 13:40
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Pallas and Captain Beefheart recommended in the same thread may cause my brain to explode.
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 14:04
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^ that is my goal! Just for your brain to explode! Ever since you stole my damn kit kat... Revenge! ------------- There be dragons |