Post 70's Prog World Cup: Riverside- Dream Theater
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Topic: Post 70's Prog World Cup: Riverside- Dream Theater
Posted By: Morningrise
Subject: Post 70's Prog World Cup: Riverside- Dream Theater
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 06:46
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Pick your favorite. This one shall be interesting. World Cup so far:  Deadline: November 25th Tiebreaker Advantage: Dream Theater |
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 06:51
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Riverside for me, they appeal to my tastes more these days. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 06:53
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Riverside have an emotion in their music that Dream Theater, for all their stunning musicianship, can never match for me. Mariusz Duda's exceptional voice and Piotr Grudzinski's amazing guitar tone give them a side that DT just don't have.
I just hope the DT haters (who I think can be irrational, as DT are still a good band by comparison with most) don't dominate the poll.
Vote positive. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 06:59
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I like Riverside but I really, really like DT. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 07:13
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Hmm, I'm torn on this one, both bands are in my second tier of favorite bands. I think Riverside gets the edge, but this sounds like a good excuse to listen to both for a few days. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 07:58
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Riverside ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: DanthraX
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 08:12
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This was a hard one for me, but went with DT mainly for songs like Metropolis, Learning to Live, Scarred, Lines in The Sand and so on... Besides, they had a great comeback with the last album, so that helped a little too... ------------- I look up, I'm almost blinded by the warmth of what's inside me and the taste that's in my soul, but I'm dead inside as I stand alone... |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 08:21
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Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 08:21
| Dream Theater has actually managed to make quality material from time to time, so they will get my vote. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 08:34
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Riverside by far. For both music and especiall vocals. Duda's style appeals to me WAY more than LaBrie. Plus, I like the guitar and bass work on Riverside's material moreso. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow">  ht |
Posted By: Shevrzl
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 08:39
| This is going to be close, but Riverside holds a special place in my heart. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 09:03
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Riverside easily ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 09:46
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DT, but not by THAT much.
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Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:00
| I love them both. But Dream Theater brought Prog to metal. And without DT there would be no Riverside. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:02
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------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
!!!Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:03
| And with out Dream Theater there would be no Liquid Tension Experiment. which happened to be the most progressive band in the 90's |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:08
When I listen to these two I hear a cornucopia (Happy Thanksgiving ) of sounds that remind me of prog giants of the past---but I like the Hackett like guitar on Riverside so I voted for them.
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Posted By: Oliverum
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:28
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I was afraid this would happen one day. It's like choosing between mom and dad. A lot of kids here say that dad has become a bit old, stagnant and boring, whereas mom blossoms in creativity, ready to conquer the world with her elegant progressive metal sledgehammer, made in Poland. If only she had as good marketing team and a couple million more die-hard fans... Well, mom and dad, I will always be there for you both, no matter the outcome of this poll. ------------- All the best freaks are here, please stop staring at me. Marillion - Freaks (1988). |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 10:58
| Riverside |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 11:04
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Riverside's Discography is played more often and enjoyed more than my Top 4 Dream Theater albums. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: MattGuitat
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 11:04
| Dream Theater all the way!!! |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 11:15
 ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 11:17
| Riverside by a great distance. |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 11:22
| Dream Theater. Just love their latest album so much. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 11:24
Watchtower, Queensryche, Voivod, Fates Warning all spring to mind as bands that did Prog Metal before When Dream and Day Unite was released (we wont even go into the matter of Metallica). Your second statement is harder to refute though. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 11:30
| DT. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 12:17
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 12:18
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...conceiving me for too long... Who are Dream Theater by the way ? ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: gents
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 12:50
| Never digged so much DT, and Riverside is just terrific so.......... |
Posted By: Godbluff Generator
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 14:41
| If I could vote, I would go for Riverside because LaBrie is a whiny b*****d with DT, although he sounds much better on The Human Equation. |
Posted By: Hober Mallow
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 14:41
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Riverside. Labrie's vocals annoy me. ------------- “When Fortuna spins you downward, go out to a movie and get more out of life.” John Kennedy Toole |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 14:42
| Riverside for me. Like others, I'm not particularly keen on the LaBrie's vocals, and while DT have made some great albums they've never had the really top-notch consistent batting average that Riverside have. |
Posted By: Oliverum
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 14:48
You probably meant 'The Human Equation' ------------- All the best freaks are here, please stop staring at me. Marillion - Freaks (1988). |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 14:54
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Riverside ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 15:09
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I like both but DT for me.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 15:45
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A vote for DT and we're all tied up.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 15:48
Riverside is putting up a good fight.  Would be crazy if DT loses. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 15:53
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Riverside
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 16:15
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Riverside for me! I really like Dream Theater, but they're starting to get a bit paint by numbers lately. IMO they always sound the same(with the exception of Train of Thought that goes ferociously from beginning to end). DT really needs to try different stuff. I think with their talent they could be a killer symphonic prog band. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 16:18
Same here, but I really, really like Riverside but I really, really, really, really like DT.  ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 16:19
Not really, they've done it before..  ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 17:42
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Riverside, I suppose. They just have a lot less material I dislike |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 17:57
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I hate to to have to go with Dream Theater, but Riverside can't hold my attention at all ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: The Willow Farmer
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:02
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"Even clowns don't scare me anymore" ------------- Recent Music Acquisitions: Johnny Marr-"The Messenger" Steven Wilson-"The Raven that Refused to Sing" Fish-"Sunsets on Empire" Riverside-"Shrine of New Generation Slaves" |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:32
| I like the Riverside that I've heard, but I've grown up listening to Dream Theater. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:39
We dont need another Transatlantic. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:41
Oh but we do. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:42
We don't need a Dream Theater either, though. Plenty of those around! |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:43
At least half the PM genre has to be Dream Theater clones... I was amazed by the sheer volume of their numbers... ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:45
:D!!! ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:50
| I think they should switch to chamber rock, personally. Or acid folk. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:53
We don't need another DT album, really. Unless, they decide to change things up a bit or go with a different vocalist altogether. ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 18:57
Or talk to Rush about a Time Machine. Throw 'em all in there, and ask them not to be so 1 dimensional. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: The Willow Farmer
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 19:38
DT meets Comus. There's a good idea! ------------- Recent Music Acquisitions: Johnny Marr-"The Messenger" Steven Wilson-"The Raven that Refused to Sing" Fish-"Sunsets on Empire" Riverside-"Shrine of New Generation Slaves" |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 20:43
DT meets TD! (Toby Driver and his various musical experiments  )
That would be cool. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 21:01
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This is close but it's that atmosphere and Duda's warm vocals that give RIVERSIDE the edge. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 21:09
Yeah, that would sound almost as good as Lulu. ;) |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 21:27
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Paging all DT fanboys... Paging all DT fanboys... Paging all DT fanboys... Paging all DT fanboys... ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 21:46
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^ wow, for realz
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 21:48
I vote to end early.  ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 21:51
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^Bud, it's a 5 vote difference, not 50, as we saw in the last poll. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 22:23
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I was kidding. Saying we should close it while Riverside is winning. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 22:32
How many pagers do you have? ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 22:33
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DT has two great albums, I&W and SFAM, and maybe disc one of 6DOIT, but I actually haven't gotten anything of theirs since ATOT. Grew out of them maybe? For Riverside I got ADHD last year, and all the rest this year. And I love them all!!! So Riverside it is! ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 22:36
4 of them apparently. Who even uses pagers any more?
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 22:39
You don't like the 2nd disc of Six Degrees?  Well, If you like I&W and SFAM the most, you'd enjoy their new one ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: November 22 2011 at 22:54
I find the second disc to be too much "prog by the numbers". Disc one is more, umm...honest. ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 01:50
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Riverside Motherf*****!! But seriously - this was tough. I reckon Riverside have fewer quality releases but when they show what they can do (Hybrid TImes, Second Life Syndrome), it reaches higher places than DT.
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 02:48
Ooooooh, I kinda knew this would happen sooner or later  , well unless the DT fans come outta the woodwork.
Seriously DT are by miles a more mature band who have a much larger discography behind them. Their influence cannot be argued. I have all of the Riverside albums barring their recent ep and to be quite candid they do not impress me although I do find them pleasant to listen to in much the same way that I enjoyed Louis L'Amour Westerns or James Hadley Chase books once. The problem I have with Riverside is that, to me, they repeat the same formula over and over and over again. Also they get close to being enjoyable to me with all of their releases thus far but close didn't win the cigar - they don't quite summit the mountain and seem to stumble just short of the peak each time.
Oh well - looks like the DT army are possibly going to lose this one to the DT haters. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 02:51
Unfortunately it appears they have.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 03:02
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I'm not a DT hater, but I prefer Riverside ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Siloportem
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 03:06
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This is difficult. I feel the relative number of really great albums is much higher in Riverside. The percentage would be something like 75% (like REM less and also love MIMH). Coming up with 3 Dream Theater albums of the same high quality is hard. On the other hand, Dream Theater is a very important band for me. Probably the first "metal" band I got into. And I feel I should vote for them in defense of all the haters. I'll have to think about this for a while. On the "renewing their sound" issue: they should've hired Christian Vander instead of Mike Mangini. And let him write all the lyrics too. ------------- Thanks !! Your topics always so good and informative. I like you talk. |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 05:38
| Riverside for me. Acknowledge how talented the members of DT are, but their music has never interested me. I like Riverside a lot. |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 05:58
I see comparatively few DT haters compared to the Riverside lovers. ;) I genuinely hope Riverside win, to be honest. I know they have the smaller back catalogue, but I'm the sort of guy who'd rather see a band release 1 fantastic album as opposed to five good albums.
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Posted By: The Willow Farmer
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 07:06
As a person who voted for Riverside, I don't hate DT. In fact, I've seen them live (opening for Iron Maiden, great show). Riverside just have a fantastic (if smaller) body of work. The Reality Dream Trilogy is amazing and ADHD hints at a bright future for the Polish proggers.
Im not voting against DT, I'm voting for Riverside. ------------- Recent Music Acquisitions: Johnny Marr-"The Messenger" Steven Wilson-"The Raven that Refused to Sing" Fish-"Sunsets on Empire" Riverside-"Shrine of New Generation Slaves" |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 07:18
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Yeah, I think I'm going with Riverside here. I love both bands, but the bottom line is the iPod test. Riverside has four albums that frequently show up on the pod while Dream Theater has only Awake. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 07:38
Not so - I think the majority actually prefer Riverside. Very few negative comments about DT.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 07:45
You don't need to comment to vote. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 09:03
| I don't hate DT. I pretend to to muss up a few feathers, but I genuinely enjoy at least a few of their records. That being said, no DT album hits me like these first two Riverside records. |
Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 09:05
| River side really only has 2 good albums IMO, bur Dream Theater has at least 5 Prog metal classics |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 11:15
Not necessarily, I love those two albums but the new one is as dull as ditch water IMO. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 11:23
Agreed. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 11:25
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 11:33
Agreed. |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 13:09
At first I thought it was amazing, but since then I haven't listened to it in 2 months. Agreed.
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Posted By: Siloportem
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 14:52
Not really sure. I do like it and I have listened to it quite often (I usually rotate albums a lot). But not a single cord or lyric or whatever sticks. No part of it sticks in my head. I always thought that Systematic Chaos was DT making a parody of DT. If that't the case then aDToE is DT making a muzak version of themselves, or maybe an easy-listening version. But I still like it. ------------- Thanks !! Your topics always so good and informative. I like you talk. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 14:55
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So this will end on my birthday. How nice of a present it would be if Dream Theater miraculously came back by the 25th :D ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 14:56
Riverside winning?!  I thought DT would of had this for sure. This is quite surprising, but its not over till its over.
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Posted By: The Willow Farmer
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 15:09
I’m surprised as well. I thought the final round would be DT v. PT or DT v. Marillion. I guess Riverside is more popular than I thought. Both bands have 3 entries in PA’s top 20 Prog metal albums. One of DT’s is ADTOE. How did that happen? Only counting Full length studio albums, Riverside has 75% of their discography in the top 20, DT only has 27%. ------------- Recent Music Acquisitions: Johnny Marr-"The Messenger" Steven Wilson-"The Raven that Refused to Sing" Fish-"Sunsets on Empire" Riverside-"Shrine of New Generation Slaves" |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 15:34
I count four DT albums. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 15:55
I dont know why your surprised, only last year we had a DT vs Riverside poll which Riverside won, and people are still talking about it. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 17:36
and at least 8 sh*tstacks... |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:00
I'm sorry, but even DT's less than stellar albums have at least a few really great tracks. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Garden of Dreams
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:03
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Dream Theater are great but Riverside are just amazing. Mariusz Duda's vocals and bass work are just phenomenal. The best Riverside albums are better than the best Dream Theater albums for me. ------------- Just give it all an hour by the concrete lake. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:13
I'm sorry, but if an album has 2 mildly enjoyable songs on it that doesn't excuse the rest of them being awful |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:14
I object! The defense calls Tarkus to the stand... ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:21
Doesn't stop In The Court Of The Crimson King being so popular.....
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:31
See, now that's your opinion whereas at least 3/4 of DT's songs are objectively bad |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 20:21
| Probably not the best place to be asking this, but does anyone know how to delete images from the file manager? I'm trying to do it so I can update the tournament tree, but it's been imposible so far. I can highlight the files but when I try to delete them, it keeps appearing that bloody "no files selected" sign. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 23 2011 at 21:27
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If you use Internet Explorer, I believe that may be the problem. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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