How do I get my GF into prog?
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Topic: How do I get my GF into prog?
Posted By: arhar
Subject: How do I get my GF into prog?
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:10
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Apologies if this was asked a million times already.. My girlfriend already has great taste in music - she likes jazz (as do I, we go to jazz clubs a couple of times every month here in NYC), classical and opera. She also likes Pink Floyd. But I want to get her into the real prog - my personal favorites are Genesis, Yes, Camel, Gentle Giant, Anyone's Daughter, Novalis, BDMS, PFM, Eloy, IQ, Synkopy, Phideaux, etc. I was thinking to start with some jazz fusion - Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report, Brand X, Jean Louis.. but what's next? Any recommendations, anyone here was in a similar situation? Thanks
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Posted By: centum
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:14
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miRthkon - Vehicle (2009) I rest my case |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:27
| Take her to Farfest in October. Give her the chance to see these bands perform live. Pulsar should be there and I believe that has been confirmed. If she takes a liking to Pulsar or other bands of that nature, she might like Eloy. Take her out to dinner on a stormy night and play Eloy in the car. If it fits the atmosphere everything might fall into place for her. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:28
 If she's into fusion, I'd go with Metheny's The Way Up first. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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centum wrote:Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:32
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Start with Roundabout and various songs by Rush. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:33
| Jazz and classical are better than prog, just forget about it |
Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:48
Steve Hackett once asked his keyboard player of the day (a certain Julian Colbeck, back in the early 90s) why it was that girls don't like prog. Julian thought carefully for a moment or two, and then replied: "Too many notes..." So I guess that's it, really - too many notes! 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:54
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Don't try. But if you must, Pure Reason Revolution's debut, Dark Side, and Fragile. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:55
| Henry Cow - In Praise of Learning |
Posted By: Isa
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 18:56
You're really lucky to have a GF who already likes great, substantial, and respectable music!  I'd say you probably won't have to try too hard... I think the classics would probably do her just fine. You might want to stay clear of anything too heavy-metal sounding though... anything with lush, creative harmonic structure would be fine. Genesis comes to mind, and Mahavishnu Orchestra as you mentioned.------------- The human heart instrinsically longs for that which is true, good, and beautiful. This is why timeless music is never without these qualities. |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 19:01
| If you get her to like Brand X, you might get her into 70s Genesis (tell her Phil Collins is the same drummer). But, if Brand X doesn't get her groove on, I suggest Return To Forever, "Romantic Warrior." Great fusion (and rock) stuff there! |
Posted By: progprogprog
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 19:03
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IMO you shouldn't try it.why?, well because girls like guys to have their own qualities.to my experience never ever explain music to them, never.Just make your ipod a puzzle to her. In my whole opinion of course. and and trust me girls aren't a good company in a prog fest.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 19:13
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I knew a girl years ago who listened to King Crimson's Lizard in her car almost everyday. She designed a pair of fangs at the dentist office which was her work place. She would wear the fangs (which were well hidden), drive around listening to prog in the evenings. As she carried on a conversation with you the fangs were hidden. After hours of prog cruise control and Univers Zero she would turn and look at you showing her fangs. It was a bit shocking because it was easy to forget she had them.
A girl I knew who practiced Keith Emerson on the piano all day was a devoted prog fan. My first wife who joined a religious cult listened to Gong and studied the Gong mythology. They all seemed very extreme and the majority of girls I met in my lifetime had no interest in prog at all. I wonder if my point makes any sense to you? If the majority of women are creeped out by U Totem then what does that have to say for the minority of women who do like it ?
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 19:19
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I'do go with some Cantebury Scene Prog (not the extremely weird stuff...at first...), maybe some Hatfield and the North. ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: centum
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 19:35
oh, wow where can I read about the Gong mythology? |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 19:40
| Gazpacho |
Posted By: zumacraig
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 19:57
| my wife suggests Seen All Good People. this coming from a woman who thought prog was music from the city Prague. |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 19:59
| If she likes jazz, classical and opera, then maybe try starting her with the prog stuff closest to those - Banco comes to mind, and the big one is fusion. Keep throwing on Miles albums (chicks dig Miles) until you get up to In A Silent Way or even Bitches Brew. See if you can use those as a springboard (hey, if you like this, I have another band that's kind of similar) |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 20:06
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Try Hogarth era Marillion; some more personal and emotional lyrics. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 20:10
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What Jazz/Rock fusion you would introduce her to depends on what she likes about Jazz. Pat Metheny might be your best starting place because he has a place in straight Jazz. Question and Answer and Trio 99 are very straight-forward, as is 1978's Pat Metheny Group. Jean-Luc Ponty's Storytelling is also much more straight-forward than his other material. You mention Weather Report. Good idea. Try Return to Forever or some of Al Di Meola's solo work. What about Miles Davis or Herbie Hancock? PFM may also work well. If she likes Pink Floyd, move on to some more Psychadelic/Space rock such as Jade Warrior (who always get one of my highest recommendations) - just be aware they have been very diverse over the years. Above all, let mer make her own choices and do not try to force her to like anything no matter how important it is to you. This will backfire and turn her into a hater. Let her lead the exploration and allow yourself to open to new artists as well. Make it fun and not a task. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 20:15
he said prog |
Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 20:17
------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com)
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 20:33
Apology accepted. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 20:39
| If she likes jazz she may be able to appreciate some prog---eventually--but I wouldn't keep my hopes up as I just think guys are more wired to like the stuff---even my sister likes some of it (years of brainwashing from her big brother) but the music is still not a passion for her. |
Posted By: Venusfly91
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 20:56
| I'd say play some "Close to the Edge" by Yes. I know some people who don't like a lot of progressive rock really enjoy that album. Some "Larks Tongues in Aspic" is great too if she's into very melodic music. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 21:03
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Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 21:03
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Porcupine Tree's "Even Less" impressed a girl that I was with earlier. Yeah, you need modern good-looking prog with slick production. Usually work with girls.  And who, male or female, can resist the great ../album.asp?id=7584" rel="nofollow - How to Measure a Planet? And their later trip-hop influenced works such as ../album.asp?id=7587" rel="nofollow - Souvenirs (not much prog in there but a nice way to get people started), work with a lot of girls. ------------- 
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 21:03
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Soft Machine. For now, it's pretty much the only jazzy prog I listen to. I guess The Tangent have some of those qualities at times, so I guess you could try them.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 21:04
He did say her girl liked jazz and classical, not sure how much she would be into the slick production thingy...
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 21:16
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If you have a girlfriend, you have to turn in your prog card anyway. Consider it revoked son? Or drop her and come over here and listen to some Univers Zero. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 21:21
brilliant ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 21:21
| i know im so smert |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: January 18 2012 at 21:27
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Just play "Selling England by the Pound" or something in the car or during a date and see what happens. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: OT Räihälä
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 00:37
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As stated earlier, if she already has a great taste of music (classical and jazz), why force her into something else? I understand you would like to share the prog thing with her, but are you for example equally interested in or open towards classical? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/osmotapioraihala/sets" rel="nofollow - Composer - Click to listen to my works! |
Posted By: progprogprog
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 04:05
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Also Camel's Albums are pretty emotional, yea symphonic but very close to fusion.those might push her from jazz to symphonic.tho I think jazz fusion has more masterpieces.maybe you change yourself and be a jazz guy, ha?
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 04:51
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Don't - and accept she has different music tastes to you and that that's ok. We're not Jehovah's Witnesses, it isn't our mission to convert everyone to our way of thinking.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 04:54
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^ I agree.....don't. It isn't as if she has bad taste, except in her mouth possibly. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 05:05
Play her whatever you like and if it doesn't click with her, sex her up. 
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 05:31
This. Or In Praise of Learning ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 05:56
It definitely does sound like she's the one who should be giving you the music advice here. -------------  
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 06:50
How do I get my GF into prog???You don't (especially if she likes Jazz & classics)
 If you want your partner to like prog, you stand a better chance to go convert gay and forcefeed him DT, PT or TFK ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 06:59
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You have to get her into prog...progressively
More seriously, my GF doesn't like prog but enjoys the most melodic PF, Sweeet smoke/Just a poke, some Quintessence (most melodic moments), a little Popol vuh...that's all i can think about at the moment. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 07:34
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Aw, judging from the title of the thread I came here to advise you how to get you Grand Father into Prog! Oh well... How to get you Girl Friend into prog eh? Thats harder... Well my wife liked Camel's Snow Goose but if you want your girl friend in to prog get her into the quieter female lead stuff such as Mostly Autumn or Panic Room...... or Nightwish. actually that's not so quiet.... well get her into Phil Collins Genesis and then slowly pull away the supports till she gets interested in the Gabriel era and then when she hears "Foxtrot" her ears will love her forever. DO NOT PLAY THE FOLLOWING: Kayo Dot Robert Wyatt Peter Hammill Can Faust Magma or she may leave you forever...
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 07:53
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My wife likes slow songs Crimson - but only the slow once : This might be a great KC "Wify" playlist : Lament Lady of the Dancing Water Book of Saturday The Night Watch Prelude: Song of the Gulls Islands Exiles Starless ( a bit more rough - near the end) ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 08:45
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Geez. Is it possible for the subject of women to come up on this forum without several members immediately guffing out a load of patronising gender stereotype nonsense? Women are just as capable of digging any kind of music as men are. Also, to the OP I'd echo what others have said - she already likes jazz and classical so the chances are she's already spent some time developing her tastes. If she hangs around with you long enough then she might acquire a taste for prog, if not it's no biggie. Don't try and "convert" her. That never ends well. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 09:21
Zappa is terrible as well for women |
Posted By: progprogprog
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 09:53
Not quite true, I had a gf and the only prog she really liked was FZ and Jim Morrison ... .She pretended to like Banco and stuff but I knew it was just because of me.It's a horrible thing to convince anyone(not just girls) about music.It's not about "logic". But the only advice I can tell you is to play your favorite albums for her at times when she's really immersed in your love.It makes her love the music too! (only at those times tho
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 10:09
first song I played to my wife was Matching Mole's O Caroline
 we're still married and she still loves Wyatt. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 10:28
I have at least 5 or 6 female friends who like all those (except Magma) |
Posted By: progprogprog
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 11:33
Among my facebook friends (361), only two of 'em like prog.A boy that likes classic prog, and a girl who loves Magma! At least in my case girls and guys are even!
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 11:59
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If they're not cool enough to love prog then I don't want to date them. I want to bang them and then leave them. Cause the only good girlfriend I ever had was one that dug prog.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 12:08
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^Jeez..what a Neanderthal! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 12:27
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^lol can't read sarcasm |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 12:33
I think you're confusing sarcasm with irony. And whether you were being ironic or not you're still a tool. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 12:37
No it's not, it's extremely silly and pointless. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 12:42
Burned on the grammar for sure on that... Lesson learned.
I'll keep my pointless interruptions that add no merit to the conversation at hand to myself next time.
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Posted By: progprogprog
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 15:19
oh man even me ain't that ... . Anyway, I thought every prog fans are soulful.Thats just so dry.
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 15:31
I learned the hard way to keep my irony to myself. haha |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 15:39
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You play something like this: and then you turn it up a bit - maybe turn her onto something that is more Motown like - just like this: And then you could try exploring her penchant for The Floyd with stuff like this: And then maybe - just maybe you´ll have widen her musical scope - or heard a lot of: Turn that crazy sh*t off!!!! ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 15:45
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Ah, PROG! I first misread it and thought you asked for sick advices... Anyway, you don't need to. Just keep listening to your music. If she asks what you're listening, just tell her and raise the volume if she wants to hear a bit more. BUT YOU MUST GET HER INTO R.I.O.! IT'S A SACRED OBLIGATION! DO YOU HEAR ME??? YOU MUST DO IT!!! |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 15:47
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^How do I get my girlfriend into pork? Damn I love a good barbecue... ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 15:57
| ^^ Have you tried barbecuing some then feeding it to her? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 15:59
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I´d never dream of throwing an Amon Düül ll album on the grill - no matter the marinade - or chick.
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: January 19 2012 at 16:05
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I would start with Mars Volta string quartet tribute- then you tell them its TMV and they go into a coma. |
Posted By: AlexDOM
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 09:28
| Already Mentioned, but play Close to the Edge. Plain and simple... |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 09:57
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I wouldn't bother. I guess it's probably important for her to at least tolerate it, so you can listen to it when she's around, but I've found from my experience that making concrete efforts to convert someone musically usually either doesn't work or makes things awkward. I have a subset of "acceptable" music that I can listen to with my wife, but for the most part I spare her the more complicated and difficult stuff and save that for private listening. I just got tired of hearing, "WHAT are we listening to??" and having to explain it. Sometimes music just has to be background noise. If I'm listening to something, and someone else hears it and doesn't like it, that seems to affect my own enjoyment of it. I have a real strange sense of empathy -- I can "feel" someone not liking it, and I start to see it in a bad light myself. So I just keep it private now, screw other people. Makes for a lonely musical life, surely. Thus my presence on forums like this. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 10:04
Been there, understand that. I suggest trying not to take your musical tastes so seriously. Whenever someone says that its crap, I think, "Well maybe it it is, but I enjoy it, so who cares if its crap or not?" and go back to my Can, Henry Cow, Zappa, etc. Trust me, it makes you a much happier person. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 19:43
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Hypnotism. Hipgnotism? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 20:00
| The first thing to do is get in touch with one of the prog labels (Musea and Inside Out come to mind first, but depending what she's doing AltRock or Cuneiform might work better) and show them her work. If they like it, accept the record contract offer, record her record, and get it out into the world. Next, post some samples and a description of her work in the "suggest new bands" section. The genre teams will handle it from there! |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: January 20 2012 at 20:05
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I trick I use on my wife (not really a trick at all) is to write the lyrics down or print them out and have her read them first. This helped when listening to VDGG. At first she would always ask me to turn it to something else, but when I had her read the lyrics, she melted. And now she requests the greatness that is Van Der Graaf Generator all the time. Also worked with others prog genres, however, she still does not care for Mr.Bungle, and that was actually the one time where she enjoyed the song at first, but when she found out what he was saying, she had nothing of it. "My arm is tired and my...."
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 12:29
Actually, that works with me. I tend to enjoy VdGG more when the lyrics are in front of me. Same with Marillion. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 21 2012 at 13:43
I'm surprised no one got the idea of replying that to this topic these previous days! |