15 Self-titled Debuts
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Topic: 15 Self-titled Debuts
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Subject: 15 Self-titled Debuts
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 11:14
These are all debut albums that I really dig - well some more than others. Which one(s) do you fancy?                ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 11:24
| Kraan |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 11:50
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Camel for me, followed by Caravan. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 11:55
Picchio and Dedalus ! Surprised  ?
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 11:59
Not very excited about any of these but I like Camel's debut the best  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 12:33
| Gotta be Faust |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 12:50
| Caravan, then Hatfield, National Health, NEU!, and Picchio dal Pozzo. |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 13:07
| So, so many of my favorite albums are included in this list, I'm voting Camel which is gotta be in my top 5 favorites ever. But these Faust, Kraan, Hatfield, National Health, Cosmic Jokers, Samla Mammas Manna, Neu, Dungen, and Caravan albums are amazing. |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 13:15
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Super tough but it's gotta be Hatfield. ------------- 
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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 13:20
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HatN and National Health followed by Faust.
Other favourites: Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso Invisible Soft Machine Santana Arzachel etc... |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 13:40
| National Health just before Hatfield |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 14:48
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Those are all very good albums but being a Canterbury fan I went with Hatfield....though Caravan, National Health, are close seconds. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 15:05
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Slow Yourself Down, Mystic Queen, Six Ate, Separation, Curiosity, Never Let Go and Arubaluba. Seven good reasons to vote Camel ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 15:34
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Is this a multi-vote poll ? If not this is nasty, too many five star records here. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 15:45
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NEU, Picchio, Hatfield, Kraan, Weather Report...all essential... I went with Picchio. ------------- 
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 16:00
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First vote for Dungen. Tough call over Faust and Hatfield but I'm feeling generous towards the Swedes today. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 16:02
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I've got the hump(s). ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 16:19
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Went with The Future Kings Of England. What a powerful, psychedelic monster that is. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 16:40
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Tough call...I'll go with Faust over Hatfields. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 16:41
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NH ------------- |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 18:54
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I'm going to probably be the only one to vote for Diagonal. Love that thing! ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 21:21
| Dedalus, followed by The Cosmic Jokers |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 22:34
| A lot of great stuff to vote for, today I'll go with Samla Mammas Manna, but Diagonal and Picchio dal Pozzo sure needs more votes as well. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 02:00
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Definitely Camel, from not-mentioned: Black Sabbath!
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Floyd Steely
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 02:01
| Black Sabbath. Santana. Led Zeppelin. Or this lovely French jazz-fusion-zeuhl band from way back in 2013 that nobody's paying attention to, Caillou. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 03:42
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Camel, just for "Never Let Go"! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 03:59
| Hatfield's. Great stuff. As is much of the rest. |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 04:54
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Neu from the list.
My favourite in this category would be ELP. |
Posted By: apps79
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 05:30
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National Health's debut is monumental. ------------- When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace... listen to www.justincaseradio.com , the first ever Greek Progressive Rock radio |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 05:39
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So the only ones left without votes are Weather Report and The Cosmic Jokers? That's actually pretty good - I would've thought there'd been far more acts on here with a big fat zero. Anyway, glad to be proven wrong. Also kinda surprised to see Camel running with this. I knew they'd be one of the top contenders, mainly because folks know the band, but to me personally, it's not anywhere near the genre-defying breaking-down-the-barriers no-nonsense beautiful simplicity of the NEU! debut. AND that's saying something, because I love that Camel album to pieces. Still not entirely sure what to vote for, but what's new about that....I never know what to vote for in my polls  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 09:43
 ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Guldbamsen wrote:Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 09:48
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Well there is a certain naive charm about it - even if it does sound awfully close to Santana. A lot more charming than say Mirage, which I then think is a better album. Subjectivity is the key, you're absolutely right about that ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 09:52
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Ahh nuts! Just glanced at one of my cd shelves and saw the Quella Vecchia Locanda debut scouring back at me  Should've been included in this poll, my bad.------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 09:55
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 10:05
If the first camel only contained the song Six Act, it would be a short but wonderful album.   |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 10:14
I was never that keen on Moonmadness, but I do adore some tracks off it. Mirage has always been my fave. BTW it's the early Santana sound I am referring to. Remove all the latin percussion and the feel and sound is very similar to that Camel debut imo. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: ☆Timelessd
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 12:36
Camel and caravan 
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 14:57
I voted for that as well, wonderful album, would follow with Hatfield & National Health ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 15:24
------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 16:50
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some other self titled debuts not mentioned, that are great Atomic Rooster Dzyan Budgie Wishbone Ash Terje Rypdal If Andromeda |
Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 22:51
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Hawkwind's s/t is a personal favourite. ------------- I am currently digging: Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz! Please drop me a message with album suggestions. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 18 2013 at 06:19
Cool to see these guys getting some love. I thought it would be me and John who knew about this album and then that'd be about it. Nice to see both you and ze dark elf chiming in. I think I prefer the following album Faith of old Mother Orvis to this one though, but it's pretty damn close. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: November 18 2013 at 08:58
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tough call but National Health ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: November 18 2013 at 12:04
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Camel +1
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 12:40
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Ultimately it's between Neu!, Picchio dal Pozzo, and Faust for me, but I'm going with Neu! ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 12:50
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Hah I just did the same Greg. Love the simplicity of it, and that unique 'magic' that keeps unveiling before my ears. It still happens to me actually. Just when i think I know everything about the album, I find new layers. So much happening even if it doesn't sound like it - one has to pay attention with this thing. Maybe that's true with all music, but it's only rarely I've felt it stronger than with NEU!'s debut.
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 13:14
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Absolutely. Very well said, David.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 13:22
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^Thanks. I guess they continued to make albums like this, but I think this debut is their best, and perhaps also their most subtle. I really dig the subsequent albums, but they never bettered the formula imo.
BTW how do you feel about the follow up album '2'? I think it gets a bum rep due to the recycling of side 1 on side 2. Personally I think the speed sabotaging of that second side is a small stroke of genius regardless of it being down to lack of finance and studio time. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 13:33
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Rush by Rush. I've only heard Camel, Caravan, and Diagonal so I won't vote. Of those 3, I'd probably lean towards Diagonal for my favorite. ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 13:47
^ Rush's Rush is a good album -- gets a too bum rep sometimes for being too derivative of Zep (can't say I like it as much as Zep, but that's by-the-by).
I also think the début the best, but I really like 2. 2 was actually the first Neu! album I got, and the one that got me into the band in the first place. I didn't like the début as much as the second when I first heard it, but not surprisingly part of that has to do with hearing the second one first. By the way, I tend to love Greenback's reviews especially when I have a different perspective on music, and I was reminded of one of my favourites of his reviews about NEU! 2: Review by http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=636" rel="nofollow - greenback SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Neo-Prog Specialist
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=636" rel="nofollow">
NEU! = NOISE Imagine: you record a basic dull & marginal song with minimal guitars and drums, and then you record it at 78 RPM, then 16 RPM, and make an album with that!! Why the hype for that? I can't believe I am the only one to give it the lowest possible rating! Take a dull rhythmic LP of your collection, place it on your turntable, play it without the electrical motor traction: spin fast the vinyl with your finger while listening it! Repeat the same procedure with a VERY slow finger motion! This describes the best how this record sounds! ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 13:49
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Yeah i love his reviews too! Especially the one he did on Zeit where he compared it to 4 humming refrigerators Brilliant!------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 14:05
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I have only heard Hallogallo from Neu! based on some raving comments about it. My opinion was that the riff/rhythm/beat was really cool, but 11 minutes of that same riff/rhythm beat was about 8 minutes too much for my tastes.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 19 2013 at 22:47
| Camel |