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E-Dub 
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 15:26 |
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Just got to thinking on my lunch hour while listening to The Flower Kings' Paradox Hotel about how they tend to play a portion of an epic on their live albums. Just curious as to how everyone feels about epics in a live setting.
Myself, I'd rather hear an entire epic or two, even though it may mean they only play 5 songs total.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 15:30 |
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I wholly agree. An epic needs to be listened to in its true form, in my opinion. Going to a Genesis concert and getting the first 8 minutes of Supper's Ready before they play something else would be really depressing.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 15:36 |
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The whole epic I guess, but if they can pull it off by just playing some parts, then I guess Im ok with that.
The only example I can think of is Jethro Tull with its shorter Thick as a brick version, which works rather good and when Dream Theater plays some fragments of Six degrees... having said that the cherry on the cale from the Score DVD is to have the entire 42 minutes epic in its entirely... and with an orchestra!!!
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 15:40 |
How about those dreadful medleys, like the one Genesis did back on the WCD tour? It was about 20 minutes long, covered about 7 different songs and was totally incoherent. I would much rather them have done two old songs in their entirety.
Back on the Counterparts tour, Rush did a combination of I believe Xanadu and Hemispheres. I wished they had just picked one of the two songs to do in its entirety instead of cutting them both down and splicing them together.
I don't think many people in this forum are going to pick the second option.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 15:40 |
 Chameleon wrote:
I wholly agree. An epic needs to be listened to in its true form, in my opinion. Going to a Genesis concert and getting the first 8 minutes of Supper's Ready before they play something else would be really depressing. |
You don't answer the question: I think the question says that the epic material is cut short in favour or something at least as cool as it. If Genesis asked me "Would you like to have an 8 minute Supper's Ready and The Cinema Show for the encore, or would you just have the entire Supper's Ready instead?", that would not be easy to answer. Nice thread title by the way, E.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:01 |
I would definitely rather hear the epic in its entirety.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:05 |
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All or none.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:06 |
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I guess my mind kept going back to how The Flower Kings always plays the final section of "Stardust We Are" rather than the whole thing. The whole thing MUST be heard, in my opinion.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:09 |
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Is this a trick question?
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:10 |
Arsillus wrote:
All or none. |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:16 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Is this a trick question? |
Huh? Not at all. So far nobody has viewed it as a trick question; so, if you see something that I don't, clue me in and I'll change it. 
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:23 |
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Definitively the whole epic. I remember how disapointed i was when i went to Marillion´s Marbles concert and they didn´t play Ocean Cloud, my favourite of the album. They could perfectly have left some songs out
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:26 |
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Portion, I guess.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:27 |
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well, i'd say whole epic...but there are times when an abridged version is better. for example, Thick as a Brick is good when it is cut to the 8-10 minute concert length...but then i think the normal version of the song is at least 20 minutes too long, perhaps 30, to begin with (but it is good). at a concert its better to keep a sustainable -- and building-- energy, so unless your epic can manage that its best to skip it or abridge it. i mean, if i were to go to a Meshuggah concert i would like to hear something from Catch-33, but i certainly dont want to hear the whole damn thing. ("I" on the other hand, i would)
Edited by Prometheus - July 02 2007 at 16:30
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:31 |
Epic with improvisation 
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 16:31 |
FranMuzak wrote:
Definitively the whole epic. I remember how disapointed i was when i went to Marillion´s Marbles concert and they didn´t play Ocean Cloud, my favourite of the album. They could perfectly have left some songs out |
I'd love to hear "Ocean Cloud", too. Just sounds like you were one of the unlucky stops on this tour because they're rotating their set list like crazy.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 17:05 |
Depends the mood, i guess! if the beer is good or not! 
Maybe one day, i will enjoy just the whole epic, maybe another day, i would enjoy a medley of epics or songs. Who knows??
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 17:36 |
Oh I do hope that all bands out there that write epics are reading this Poll. 
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What?
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 17:48 |
Chameleon wrote:
I wholly agree. An epic needs to be listened to in its true form, in my opinion. Going to a Genesis concert and getting the first 8 minutes of Supper's Ready before they play something else would be really depressing. |
Going to a Genesis concert on the current tour, and getting 8 minutes of anything would be really depressing!
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 20:15 |
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You need everything, or the song becomes less meaningfull. Medleys are not worth it.
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