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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Surprised that this discussion is going on so long. TAAB in no way is overrated but probably Tull as a band very much are. They were not that interesting as say Gentle Giant and not as exciting as ELP , or as 'fun' as Genesis. I see them as the weakest of the big six but certainly TAAB is a masterpiece in my book.
I agree Richard. But I think it's because Tull were a hard rock band that made a prog album as opposed to pure prog groups like the others in the "big six".
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Surprised that this discussion is going on so long. TAAB in no way is overrated but probably Tull as a band very much are. They were not that interesting as say Gentle Giant and not as exciting as ELP , or as 'fun' as Genesis. I see them as the weakest of the big six but certainly TAAB is a masterpiece in my book.

I personally think TAAB is so popular because it's one of the easier epics to listen to and digest, all the way through IMHO.

There's also nothing wrong with that!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2020 at 00:07
Surprised that this discussion is going on so long. TAAB in no way is overrated but probably Tull as a band very much are. They were not that interesting as say Gentle Giant and not as exciting as ELP , or as 'fun' as Genesis. I see them as the weakest of the big six but certainly TAAB is a masterpiece in my book.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2020 at 23:00
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Geologistjavi Geologistjavi wrote:

It is your opinion and like , but to me and many other fans of progressive rock music , Jethro Tull is one of the best prog bands and strongest , it is the only band that combines in only one piece of music different styles that could vary from Folk , blues , hard rock , symphonic rock , Classic style etc , they have done with perfection and smartness due of the brilliant brain of Ian Anderson. It is not free why Jethro Tull has sold more albums than strong prog bands as Yes , King Crimson and Emerson Lake and Palmer, only Genesis and Pink Floyd have sold more than Tull because they are more popular bands , Genesis probably for the Collins era which became a pop band . And Floyd because is easier to hear than Tull and Crimson, Floyd is not complex musically than Tull and Crimson . So Jethro Tull is one of the best progressive rock band ever existed, only for smart ears . People that not appreciate the brilliant and beautiful music of Jethro Tull don’t know about
Good music .

I don't mean to be rude, but if you paid attention to the discussion, you'd have notice the person who created this thread has changed his opinion about TAAB.

Your last sentence in your paragraph is rather insulting TBH. No need for such statements. We all have different tastes here and it's perfectly fine. 



People claiming an empirical monopoly on musical taste typically have no rational argument lol.

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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ I’ll also add Jethro Tull is one of my favorite bands anyways, those kinda of condescending elitist comments like the one you’ve quoted here is the reason why people make fun of Prog fans and/or have a stigma against the genre. To that guy, we all hear music differently and listen for different things, people probably say the same things about genres you despise.

Indeed.  Albeit it's not an exclusive preserve of progheads.  Metalheads are way worse.  At least used to be.  Don't know what things are like now because I only sporadically connect to go see prog metal bands but the tr00 metal crowd in the noughties, man o man!  LOLLOLLOL  

Speaking of TAAB, I too prefer Songs from the Wood to it.  And FWIW, I don't find WYWH to be all that it's chalked up to be.  Listening to Allman Brothers and Boz Scaggs' Loan Me A Dime kinda spoiled Shine On for me and even otherwise, I regarded it as taking entirely too long to get to the point. But hey, that's just me.  And it's not like I think TAAB or WYWH are bad albums.  But what's somebody going to do if I say I like Kohntarkohz, Red or Larks Tongue in Aspic more than them?  Are they going to tell me I don't get complex music, like really, WYWH/TAAB are more complex than LTIA/Kohntarkohz?  U mad bro?
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Originally posted by Geologistjavi Geologistjavi wrote:

The last Jethro Tull albums are fantastic also masterpieces, Roots to Branches, J-Tull.com and The Christmas Album , which is marvelous in this J Tull went back to their original style. Well done again Jethro Tull as usual.


I quite like roots and dotcom. Even catfish has some cool stuff. All 3 probably have a double album worth of tracks
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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The last Jethro Tull albums are fantastic also masterpieces, Roots to Branches, J-Tull.com and The Christmas Album , which is marvelous in this J Tull went back to their original style. Well done again Jethro Tull as usual.
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Tull are the best band. No one has that many cool tracks. 25 albums worth of unrepeated studio tracks from 1968-84. Plus another couple of quad album recordings and some early versions of songs on top of that. I think there might be more cool songs in the 10 bonus albums than there are on the original 15 albums

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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Originally posted by tigerfeet tigerfeet wrote:

The thing about Thick as a Brick, its not just about if it was proggy enough or at all, or if you liked it at the time or even still like it. Whatever you think about it, it still has something about it, almost like a reputation it has to keep up to. 

For me, i loved it, bought it, and when in my hippy phase, would hear nothing bad said about it. 

Now i am listening to it again after 30 years of not listening to it.

Woww !! I like it again. I went off it for 30 years, now i like it again. Its fresh to me again so yeah, its not overrated right now to me. It stands like Dark Side of the Moon as an icon of that time and era. And i hardly listen to that album anymore either.


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The thing about Thick as a Brick, its not just about if it was proggy enough or at all, or if you liked it at the time or even still like it. Whatever you think about it, it still has something about it, almost like a reputation it has to keep up to. 

For me, i loved it, bought it, and when in my hippy phase, would hear nothing bad said about it. 

Now i am listening to it again after 30 years of not listening to it.

Woww !! I like it again. I went off it for 30 years, now i like it again. Its fresh to me again so yeah, its not overrated right now to me. It stands like Dark Side of the Moon as an icon of that time and era. And i hardly listen to that album anymore either.


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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

This is becoming like the Rick & Morty fandom. A show I enjoy, by the way. But "to be fair, you have to have a very high I.Q. to understand Rick & Morty..." yada yada.

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This is becoming like the Rick & Morty fandom. A show I enjoy, by the way. But "to be fair, you have to have a very high I.Q. to understand Rick & Morty..." yada yada.
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^ I’ll also add Jethro Tull is one of my favorite bands anyways, those kinda of condescending elitist comments like the one you’ve quoted here is the reason why people make fun of Prog fans and/or have a stigma against the genre. To that guy, we all hear music differently and listen for different things, people probably say the same things about genres you despise.
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Originally posted by Geologistjavi Geologistjavi wrote:

It is your opinion and like , but to me and many other fans of progressive rock music , Jethro Tull is one of the best prog bands and strongest , it is the only band that combines in only one piece of music different styles that could vary from Folk , blues , hard rock , symphonic rock , Classic style etc , they have done with perfection and smartness due of the brilliant brain of Ian Anderson. It is not free why Jethro Tull has sold more albums than strong prog bands as Yes , King Crimson and Emerson Lake and Palmer, only Genesis and Pink Floyd have sold more than Tull because they are more popular bands , Genesis probably for the Collins era which became a pop band . And Floyd because is easier to hear than Tull and Crimson, Floyd is not complex musically than Tull and Crimson . So Jethro Tull is one of the best progressive rock band ever existed, only for smart ears . People that not appreciate the brilliant and beautiful music of Jethro Tull don’t know about
Good music .

I don't mean to be rude, but if you paid attention to the discussion, you'd have notice the person who created this thread has changed his opinion about TAAB.

Your last sentence in your paragraph is rather insulting TBH. No need for such statements. We all have different tastes here and it's perfectly fine. 


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It is your opinion and like , but to me and many other fans of progressive rock music , Jethro Tull is one of the best prog bands and strongest , it is the only band that combines in only one piece of music different styles that could vary from Folk , blues , hard rock , symphonic rock , Classic style etc , they have done with perfection and smartness due of the brilliant brain of Ian Anderson. It is not free why Jethro Tull has sold more albums than strong prog bands as Yes , King Crimson and Emerson Lake and Palmer, only Genesis and Pink Floyd have sold more than Tull because they are more popular bands , Genesis probably for the Collins era which became a pop band . And Floyd because is easier to hear than Tull and Crimson, Floyd is not complex musically than Tull and Crimson . So Jethro Tull is one of the best progressive rock band ever existed, only for smart ears . People that not appreciate the brilliant and beautiful music of Jethro Tull don’t know about
Good music .
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The hype and overhype that surround certain bands and albums here made me stay away from them. 
It happens to me, whether it's music, movies or books, when the hype slows down, I'm starting to pay attention. 

TAAB is one of those albums, I rarely listen to it. 
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I like Tull, but I have never considered them a strong Prog band. TAAB to me just is not that great. I feel it is over-rated as well.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:


On PA, if you give TAAB a 4, it feels like a 'low' score because of how much acclaim it has received.  But an 87/100?  Nobody would say that's a really low score.

4 stars on PA is a really high rating, it means "essential album". What am I missing here? Confused

As Frenetic said, it's about the value attached to TAAB.  If an album is seen as an all time classic of the genre, then even 4 becomes 'low'.  It's not, really.  But that's why a scoring system of 10 and with .5 fractions would make separating albums easier. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:


On PA, if you give TAAB a 4, it feels like a 'low' score because of how much acclaim it has received.  But an 87/100?  Nobody would say that's a really low score.

4 stars on PA is a really high rating, it means "essential album". What am I missing here? Confused

Nothing! Just an irrational interpretation of numbers and their value for rating art, lol. I suggested a 10 point scale, someone suggested 100 for more nuance. 4/5 is an 80%, where as a 4.5 is technically a 90%, which I guess evens out.

It's all the same lol.

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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:


On PA, if you give TAAB a 4, it feels like a 'low' score because of how much acclaim it has received.  But an 87/100?  Nobody would say that's a really low score.

4 stars on PA is a really high rating, it means "essential album". What am I missing here? Confused
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