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npjnpj 
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---Smoking causes direct harm to the user. Guns not so much---
Excuse me? I have to give up and lie down a bit. I now deeply regret having participated in this particular discussion. Have fun! |
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 10:43 |
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Given some people standards of living unheard of before. You can work harder and have a better work ethic than anyone and not have a damn thing to show for it in this country. Not to say it isn't that way anywhere else, but America is not the land where anybody can get rich. The rich are supported by those that work for a pittance, and if they weren't around, there wouldn't be any rich. Just a fallacy about conservatism that I dislike a lot.
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timothy leary
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 10:47 |
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But it is an uneven dichotomy. The rich need a bunch of poor but I would suppose the poor do not need the ultra rich.
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npjnpj
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 10:48 |
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I think that in the USA if a man works hard, does lots of overtime, sacrifices his holiday, neglects his family, and is never ill or late, his boss can buy himself a new car soon.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 10:48 |
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Yeah about 400 per year and most non-fatal. That will scare someone. And that's not unavoidable. It's perfectly avoidable as long as you're not an idiot. You can be as smart as you want and cigarettes won't be too thwarted. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 10:50 |
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Look up direct in the dictionary while you're lying there. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 10:53 |
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Despite the tragic loss of innocent lives...
Isn't there some kind of poetic justice that a gun-happy mother dies from her own vice and from her own flesh & blood's doings??
After all, he who lives by the sword....
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As an afterthought:
I'm not sure that woman and her son deserve a human burial at all!!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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timothy leary
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 10:53 |
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I think that is what the discussion is supposed to be about....idiots with guns, not idiots with cigarettes.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 10:55 |
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No. There isn't. |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 10:59 |
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The problem is that in both cases, there are colateral victims that haven't asked for anything...
The idiot users don't die as much as the stander-bys do
Second hand and straight-combustion (coming directly from the burning end) smokes are even worse than the drug intended to be inhaled...
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:01 |
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^ Source?
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:04 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:08 |
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^ I think a bigger issue that people have is filling the new founded free time with something meaningful. Instead of thinking I have to work all day so that I have food for my kids and then tomorrow I have to work again so my kids have food and then etc now you're forced to think I have what I need now what do I do? Which brings up all those questions of what we're supposed to be doing, if we should be doing anything, if any of that matters, and then oh sh*t these are scary questions so I better find something to take my mind off them temporarily.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:09 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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timothy leary
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:10 |
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^ not a libertarian value........you lose
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:11 |
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The most scientific source in the world.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:13 |
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Well, I'd have gueesed that such a reasonable concept was beyond your grasping means
 (sorry that was too tempting
 )as for second hand smoke and lost bullets liabilities, look it up for yourselves... plenty of reports and stats around
Only a good solid bullet-proof layer of bad faith (and NRA membership) could deny such evidence that doesn't need to be proven anymore by anyone of good faith.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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timothy leary
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:14 |
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timothy leary
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:14 |
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I am no libertarian
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 18 2012 at 11:21 |
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One's freedom is limited to and where other's freedom would be hindered...
common sense, see??
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