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Topic: TOP 10 70's French Prog Posted: February 17 2007 at 13:47 |
Pulsar - Strands of the future
Pulsar - Pulsar
Ange - Guet Apens
Ange - Au Dela Du Delire
Pentacle - Le clef des Songes
Sandrose - Same
Asia Minor - Between flesh and divine
JeanMichel Jare - Oxygene
Clearlight Symphony - Clearlight
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Ars longa , vita brevis
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 18:04 |
pantacruelgruel wrote:
Nice to see my France favourite "Ange" starting to show up in these lists  And now back to reality (TV) ...
Des siecles & des siecles passees un messie est venu ... et ILS L'ONT TUER !
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Whew, sone time has passed, & I've not attracted "hate email".  Par Mephisto, par Jupiter; et tout les saints en enfer !
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 12:36 |
Nice to see my France favourite "Ange" starting to show up in these lists  And now back to reality (TV) ... Des siecles & des siecles passees un messie est venu ... et ILS L'ONT TUER !
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Posted: February 16 2007 at 05:46 |
Et voilà my French list:
- Ange - "Au-dela du delire"
- Magma - "Mekanik destruktiw kommandoh"
- Magma - "Kontarkhosz"
- Pulsar - "Halloween"
- Ergo Sum - "Mexico"
- Carpe Diem - "En regardant passer le temps"
- Mona Lisa - "Le petit violon de Mr Gregoire"
- Sandrose - Same
- Atoll - "L'araignee-mal"
- Zao - "Osiris"
Au revoir!
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 18:22 |
Pulsar - The Strands of the Future
Clearlight - Clearlight Symphony
Magma - Köhntarkösz
Ange - Le Cimetière des Arlequins
Shylock - Ile de Fièvre
Mona Lisa - Avant quil Ne Seit Trop Tard
Atoll - L'Araignée-Mal
Asia Minor - Between Flesh and Divine
Moving Gelatine Plates - The World of Hans Genius
Carpe Diem - Coueille le Jour
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 08:25 |
DallasBryan wrote:
we are all learning here and feeling and misunderstandings will always be a part of it.
but I think we are ALL creating a better world the more we focus on the inner man and not follow what others use to try to lead us down deadend roads.
I am one of the few old proggers here still left to share with younger members the thoughts and idealogies that was 70's progressive rock and has been tempered by recording industry greed and governmental control.
we get better as time goes by....
PM to ya avestin, bet we get it worked out.........
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I don't know about us having worked it out, I answered your PM and did not get an answer to it, but whatever...
As for women hating this sort of music, I am fortunate to be married to a woman with whom I share this passion for prog of all sorts (and metal as well). So she doesn't go out screaming out of the room, she is the one putting on the music....
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Posted: February 15 2007 at 03:23 |
^ You're more than gentle enough most of the time. Fans of the avantgarde/Zeuhl whatever... shouldn't provoke you. Its nothing to be suspicious about. Its mostly from that camp you'll find the ones interested in the bands you promote. We can't do much about being 20+ years younger than you either. And naturally discovering bands now, that you've already known for decades.
You should really check out Flamen Dialis, Jean Cohen-Solal and Kha-YM if you haven't already. All within the electronic/symphonic/melodic (and maybe even Archaïa & Vortex).
BTW: Three days ago I finally got Spacecraft . Its superfantastic of course, but my girlfriend hates it.
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Posted: February 14 2007 at 11:28 |
Rocktopus wrote:
DallasBryan wrote:
46and2 wrote:
what about magma? MDK |
hmmm, well they dont represent what I would call intelligently stimulating music, though MDK is probably their best. IMO. if one is looking for a band that is avant garde or awkward or radical in their ideas, Magma would be great choice. personally I find some of the musicians associated with the band solo albums to be much better than Christian Vanders collage of ideas that pretty much goes nowhere. Vander along with Robert Fripp seems to be two of the most overrated artists enshrined into todays idea of what progressive rock was in the 70's, but had little signifigance in their production years, only that they seemed to show signs of mental instibility and lack of balance in their muscial output. seemly this is an appeal to todays progressive rock youth, which is understood when media today seems to feed this element of the human psyche.
Play them with women in the room and see how long it is before they say what the hell is that and leave the room. thats not what I call good music! 
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You're good fun most of the time Dallas, but not when you're dissing everything not melodic and pleasant enough for your own ears. This side of french prog, (that I have only known about ca. as long as Avestin has) is to me along with most of the french bands you too actually enjoy, the most sensational music I've heard in years.
Maybe I sometimes want it less pleasant, more demanding and twisted because I don't smoke anything, but work in in my studio all day while listening to music. I do know its not because I want to bereally special or anything pathetic like that.
I got a woman, she doesn't like the music you enjoy, or Magma (she does like Vortex, though). Most of the time when any random women puts on some music she likes, I want to leave the room. If I had to think of what women would potentially like before I decided if the music's good enough, I'd have to reconsider the quality of 90% of my collection. While you'd maybe get away with giving up something like 80%.
Hey, a lot more women like AC/DC than cosmishe. So what?
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sorry, sometimes I just feel like the LONE RANGER, TONTO! 
Ill try to be gentler in the future and not twist off.........thanks SquidRock 
Edited by DallasBryan - February 14 2007 at 11:31
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Posted: February 14 2007 at 07:39 |
Clearlight/Forever blowing bubbles
Delired cameleon family
Heldon/It's always rock'n'roll
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Posted: February 14 2007 at 07:18 |
Oh. Here's ten from me:
Archaïa: Archaïa Shylock: Il De Fievres Flamen Dialis: Symptome Dei Magma: Kobaïa Vortex: Les Cycles de Thanatos Igor Wakhevitch. Hathor Heldon: Stand By Eskaton: 4 Visions Jean Cohen-Solal: Captain Tarthopom Ange: Au Delà du Délire
What? No Catherine Ribeiro, Pataphonie, Komintern, Kha-Ym, Zao... and on and on..
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Posted: February 14 2007 at 06:45 |
DallasBryan wrote:
46and2 wrote:
what about magma? MDK |
hmmm, well they dont represent what I would call intelligently stimulating music, though MDK is probably their best. IMO. if one is looking for a band that is avant garde or awkward or radical in their ideas, Magma would be great choice. personally I find some of the musicians associated with the band solo albums to be much better than Christian Vanders collage of ideas that pretty much goes nowhere. Vander along with Robert Fripp seems to be two of the most overrated artists enshrined into todays idea of what progressive rock was in the 70's, but had little signifigance in their production years, only that they seemed to show signs of mental instibility and lack of balance in their muscial output. seemly this is an appeal to todays progressive rock youth, which is understood when media today seems to feed this element of the human psyche.
Play them with women in the room and see how long it is before they say what the hell is that and leave the room. thats not what I call good music! 
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You're good fun most of the time Dallas, but not when you're dissing everything not melodic and pleasant enough for your own ears. This side of french prog, (that I have only known about ca. as long as Avestin has) is to me along with most of the french bands you too actually enjoy, the most sensational music I've heard in years. Maybe I sometimes want it less pleasant, more demanding and twisted because I don't smoke anything, but work in in my studio all day while listening to music. I do know its not because I want to bereally special or anything pathetic like that. I got a woman, she doesn't like the music you enjoy, or Magma (she does like Vortex, though). Most of the time when any random women puts on some music she likes, I want to leave the room. If I had to think of what women would potentially like before I decided if the music's good enough, I'd have to reconsider the quality of 90% of my collection. While you'd maybe get away with giving up something like 80%. Hey, a lot more women like AC/DC than cosmishe. So what?
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 12:32 |
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Mission Control, we are back to normal operations! |
Oh Oh, I wonder if you're ever heard Bruce Cockburn's song. The chorus goes like this :\ The trouble with normal is it always gets worse ....  P.S. I think we should all limit ourselves to discussing bands that we all know already. That way we can save brain space to store more meaningful information like, ahhh, lyrics, yeah, lyrics & liner notes; ahhh, lyrics, liner notes & star trek trivia, I mean history; and ahhh, I forget the rest, but there is something out there, even if there's not much in here ( my mind, I mean; or I mean my mind, oh don't mind me) Or to quote Kim Mitchell who was once asked at a party why his jacket was on the floor - "gravity"
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Posted: February 11 2007 at 07:31 |
Mission Control, we are back to normal operations!
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Posted: February 10 2007 at 23:14 |
Having been "flamed" once for claiming one french band reigned above the rest of France's prog scene, I must say that I've yet to see Avestin "force" his opinion or wide variety of groups on anyone. Yes, I find some contributors' lists sometimes overwhelming, but as long as they are not claiming divine guidance or commanding the rest of us to get a clue & believe as they do, I'm grateful for the free info. I can chose not to read it, eh (like some people who find my posts waaaaay too long). If I have some spare time, these lists might give me something to read up on. & if I happen to find one of those groups interesting, what are the chances that I may find other bands on those lists that may also appeal to me. While Avestin & I did have a misunderstanding about a minor matter outside of musical tastes, I must say this for the man - when I was dismissed as being "clueless" because I didn't include a lengthy list of artists to display my knowledge of a specific prog scene, he did join in & explain that he didn't see the point of arguing about one's tastes or preferences or even knowledge. And he also added , to dismiss comments from others who may be a bit too caught up in trying to prove they know best, especially without having any knowledge of the other person. . Do I find his lists extensive, yes; but as an example, once I got into PFM, I started to read this site & other Prog web pages, & was surprised to learn the extent of Italy's 70s prog scene, with many groups now part of my collection. So unless you're insecure, or you feel pressured to accept a stranger's word as the absolute truth just because you're read it here, relax, it's just music. It's meant to enjoy, to entertain.  And as per Pye ... Bonjour les amis de mania, nous sommes fous ! Ne cherchez pas pourquoi, Pas de chat, pas de deux, nous sommes fous ! Put down a little life from a morning cosmic.
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Posted: February 10 2007 at 11:51 |
DallasBryan wrote:
amazing how many of these are still not in the archives! I fear avestin may be flooding the category also with too many meaningless bands as he tries to make up for the lack of knowledge of the french scene in the past, which could be counter productive. |
Are you joking here ?? I hope you are, as otherwise these would be totally unacceptable comments. I mean, you are the one always talking about many bands here which are commonly (although wrongly) treated as "meaningless", and it's you who makes such comments now about someone else's work. You probaly were ironic or sarcastic in your post above and did not mean offence, but unfortunately irony, if there was one, is rather disguised.
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Posted: February 10 2007 at 11:46 |
we are all learning here and feeling and misunderstandings will always be a part of it.
but I think we are ALL creating a better world the more we focus on the inner man and not follow what others use to try to lead us down deadend roads.
I am one of the few old proggers here still left to share with younger members the thoughts and idealogies that was 70's progressive rock and has been tempered by recording industry greed and governmental control.
we get better as time goes by....
PM to ya avestin, bet we get it worked out.........
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hey there mister madman whatcha know that I dont know, tell me some crazy stories, let me know who runs the show, glassy eyed and laughing he turns and walks away. tell me what made you that way? 
Edited by DallasBryan - February 10 2007 at 11:57
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Posted: February 10 2007 at 09:42 |
DallasBryan wrote:
amazing how many of these are still not in the archives! I fear avestin may be flooding the category also with too many meaningless bands as he tries to make up for the lack of knowledge of the french scene in the past, which could be counter productive. |
With which meaningless bands have I exactly flooded PA? Please, I'd like to have the list, so I'll know where did I waste my time according to you.
As for lack of knowledge, well, again, how do you know my knowledge?
I don't see you very knowledgeable in the French ZART department, as you admitted in the Poll opened in a Thread by ROcktopus about French ZAR bands. You admitted to know and concentrate on certain parts of the French scene and also keep repeating the same bands and polls etc.
So I could claim the same about you, but since I know you a little and konw more than than and know that your knowledge is vaster than the one portrayed through the threads you start, I would not hurry to make such claims as you make, but thanks for the friendly remarks, I shall keep that in mind for the future.
But you don't see me telling you that you are harming PA with it, on the contrary, I told you before and also think so now, how I appreciate your konwledge and the fact that you don't go for the overly popular bands/musicians.
Everyone has their areas of expertise, and I don't claim to be an expert (hence you will see no Expert or Specualist tag under my forum name like other Collabs here, because I feel this is misleading), but I do my homework and read and learn whenever possible from people here in PA (some of whom I consider a sort of mentors) and from other websites. The addition of Vortex for instance was one addition in which I learned a lot about the period and time and place in which they acted. Do you claim that Vortex is harmful to PA? That is drowns other better bands? I claim no specialty or expertise, but I do my homework and do my studies on prog and I do make mistakes at times (who doesn't?), but then I learn from them.
I am not in charge of French prog as there is no such team, but I try in the ZART department to promote the additions of French bands (as well as in other genres, but they are out of my control).
If a band did a progressive album, then it should be here, period. I find the ease with which you use the word meaningless about a band that people in it worked to compose and produce music, disturbing. How can you be so dismissive of people's work/music? I did not expect it from someone who cherishes unkonwn bands like you, who posts all the time in an effort to try and get people to listen to what they perceive as meaningless bands.
You make the same claim towards me, that you receive often.
If you are so upset by others not being here, there are other collabs you can go to. If I am that terrible, then there ar other resources.
I do my best to add what I think should be here and put a lot of time here (many time at the expense of other things in real-life, work, family) and I can't help but feel "cheered up" by remrks like this one. It's baseless remarks like this from someone who has the same thing as he claims that I have, who really make me want to just stop this ungrateful task.
Thanks Bryan for making me see that my work here goes noticed... and thought badly of.
I'll think if there is any cause for me to continue doing my work khere in PA.
Since I have a lack of knowledge as you claim, then why should I even bother, especially since I seem to do more harm than anyting else. I really am sorry I am harming PA more than helping, as you see it. If that is the case, then I should leave.
Again, thanks for letting me know. Now I know how you truly feel.
And I know how I feel. Disappointed and hurt.
I did not expected this kind of remarks from you. I thought you knew better and that what I said above about everyone field of expertise/knowledge is something you acknowledge as you did in the Thread I mentioned above.
But please go on with your polls and threads about those unknown/lesser known/obscure gems of the past/present. It's good to see those getting recognition they deserve.
I'll stay out of the way and hot harm PA and prog anymore, since I seem to have done so much damage with my Flooding additions.
Edited by avestin - February 10 2007 at 11:17
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Posted: February 10 2007 at 08:44 |
amazing how many of these are still not in the archives! I fear avestin may be flooding the category also with too many meaningless bands as he tries to make up for the lack of knowledge of the french scene in the past, which could be counter productive.
Edited by DallasBryan - February 10 2007 at 08:45
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Posted: February 10 2007 at 01:00 |
Lard Free - I'm Around About Midnight
Archaia - s/t
Art Zoyd - Symphonie Pour Le Jour Ou Bruleront Les Cites
Albert Marcoeur - s/t
Urban Sax - s/t
Vortex - Les Cycles de Thanatos
Jacques Thollot - Quand le Son Devient Aigu, Jeter la Girafe a la Mer
Eskaton - 4 visions
Clearlight - Forever Blowing Bubbles
Horrific Child - L'Etrange Mosieur Whinster
All this being said and done, my favourite French album of all time comes from 1985
Hellebore - Il y a des jours
Other mentions for the 80's would also come from Eider Stellaire and Abus Dangerux
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Posted: February 09 2007 at 22:02 |
BLuntly showing my bias, I say Ange - Emile Jacotey Ange - Au dela du Delire Ange - Guet Apens Ange - Par les Fils de Mandrin Ange - CImetiere des Arlequins Atoll - L'Araignee-mal Atoll - Musiciens Magiciens Arachnoid - Arachnoid Jean - Michel Jarre - Oxygene Jean - Michel Jarre - Equinoxe
ANd I do admit that these just about cover all the bands that I actually know well. I have started listening to Pulsar, Magma, Carpe Diem, Malicorne,Pentacle, Saens, am finding something to keep me getting into their music in depth, but is is a lengthy process. I have also heard Tai Phong, Sandrose, & found nothing outstanding in their music. Now mind you, if the list was for french speaking groups, there are a few Quebec groups that would knock off 5 or 6 of the above.
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