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Svetonio

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 13:19

emigre80 wrote:

^ no. you have no point.

Oh, Steve hired another lawyer.

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 13:16

Edited by dr wu23 - September 19 2015 at 13:17

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 13:09

^ no. you have no point.

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 13:03

Svetonio wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

Communism didn't existed yet, Evil Socialism is destroyed, but who cares? The fruits of that export of Democracy you can see everywhere now...

Wikileaks has obtained and decrypted this previously unreleased video footage from a US Apache helicopter in 2007. It shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Eldeen, driver Saeed Chmagh, and several others as the Apache shoots and kills them in a public square in Eastern Baghdad. They are apparently assumed to be insurgents. After the initial shooting, an unarmed group of adults and children in a minivan arrives on the scene and attempts to transport the wounded. They are fired upon as well. The official statement on this incident initially listed all adults as insurgents and claimed the US military did not know how the deaths ocurred. Wikileaks released this video with transcripts and a package of supporting documents on April 5th 2010 on http://collateralmurder.com

In what bleeding universe do two wrongs make a right? Evil is Evil. Killing is Killing.
One evil is not better than another! Do you understand this?

Please update your demagogy, Steve.

Oh Steve, sorry for terribly misspelled word.

But you understand my point, do ya?

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 13:02

^ it does sum up the thread, but it's been a fun rollercoaster ride while it lasted.

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 12:53

SteveG wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

Please update you d<span id="result_" lang="de" ="short_text"=""><span ="hps"="">emagogie, Steve.</span></span>

The world you're struggling to spell and convey is Demagogue. The definition for it is as follows:

<div ="b_focustextmedium="" dc_truncate="" b_clearfix"="">dem·a·gogue<div ="dc_prn"=""><div ="b_hpanel"=""><span>[ˈdeməˌgäg]</span><span><div id="DictAudioD1">[URL=javascript:void%280%29" rel="nofollow]<div ="sw_play="" cipa="" vat"="" -="audioplay]<span style="display: none;]<audio controls="]</audio></span>[/URL]</span><div ="dc_pds"="">

<div ="dc_st"=""><h4>NOUN</h4>

<div ="dc_pm"=""><div ="b_factrow"=""><div ="dc_synb"=""> <div ="dc_synb"="">It's ironic that you don't understand the one word that describes yourself perfectly. If you're not dense enough, or appalled, please take a long look at yourself in a mirror. You will easily see a person who also can't comprehend what a rational argument is.

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that about sums up the thread..

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 12:51

Dean wrote:

SteveG wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

Please update you d<span id="result_" lang="de" ="short_text"=""><span ="hps"="">emagogie, Steve.</span></span>

The world you're struggling to spell and convey is Demagogue. The definition for it is as follows:

<div ="dc_st"=""><h4>NOUN</h4>

<div ="dc_nml"=""><div ="dc_pm"=""><div ="dc_mn"="">a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.<div ="b_factrow"=""><div ="dc_synb"=""><span ="cbl="" b_lower"="">synonyms:</span> [URL=http://www.bing.com/search?q=define+rabble-rouser" rel="nofollow]rabble-rouser[/URL] · [URL=http://www.bing.com/search?q=define+agitator" rel="nofollow]agitator[/URL]

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He could also be trying to spell Demagoguery, which is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.

But frankly, chimpanzees pounding their knuckles into the keyboard can misspell all manner of words.

If I were said chimpanzee, I would, right now, be contacting Messrs Sue, Grabbit, and Runne to sue you for the most appalling piece of libel ever witnessed on the intertit.

Quite honestly, an amoeba pissed as a fart would have more political acumen than our Serbian comrade.

On that note, I am off to a party now. I very much hope to be as pissed as said amoeba by the time I am finished later. A newt will do, though

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 12:47

Diddn't read the thread, voted for Gurdjieff.

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 12:45

SteveG wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

Please update you demagogie, Steve.

The world you're struggling to spell and convey is Demagogue. The definition for it is as follows:

dem·a·gogue

[ˈdeməˌgäg]

NOUN

a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
synonyms: rabble-rouser · agitator

It's ironic that you don't understand the one word that describes yourself perfectly. If you're not dense enough, or appalled, please take a long look at yourself in a mirror. You will easily see a person who also can't comprehend what a rational argument is.

He could also be trying to spell Demagoguery, which is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side.

But frankly, chimpanzees pounding their knuckles into the keyboard can misspell all manner of words.

What?

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 12:42

lazland wrote:

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British Marxist Jeremy Corbyn is also a revolutionist at his own way.

He is not a Marxist, and you are a tit.

Thank you. Well, comrade Jeremy can not say openly "I am a Marxist" and to become the Prime Minister simply because "Marxist" is satanized word up there. He could say, for example "I'm an admirer of Karl Marx" or something like that, but "I am a Marxist" he will able to say only as the Prime Minister of the Great Britain.

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 12:38

what a great thread... LOL

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 12:20

What?

lazland

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 12:12

Svetonio wrote:

British Marxist Jeremy Corbyn is also a revolutionist at his own way.

He is not a Marxist, and you are a tit.

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 12:11

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Yes, it's a shame that the Nazis pirated a religious and national symbol and turned it into a symbol of hate and oppression. The Nazi geniuses concluded that the pure blood blue eyed and blond haired Aryan race descended from India or some other ridiculous eastern place.

Not our local Peruvian Nazis

And we have three Nazi parties

Indigenous/Emo LOL

Nationalist anti Chilean loonies from a southern department

University kids but not Aryan at all

The last ones are the only dangerous.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 19 2015 at 12:16

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 11:47

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Kati wrote:

Swastika is a symbol of pain and horror, thus why would one want to parade around with that?

It is true that some of the worst atrocities in modern history were committed under a flag that bore a swastika, but I disagree that that outweighs its religious significance. It's hard to compare to other recent controversies such as the confederate flag controversy because the swastika as a symbol has been found as far back as 10,000BC. It has globe spanning cultural significance, to pull a bit of a Svetonio:

https://lloydhill.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/swastika-real-images.jpg

Yes, it's a shame that the Nazis pirated a religious and national symbol and turned it into a symbol of hate and oppression. The Nazi geniuses concluded that the pure blood blue eyed and blond haired Aryan race descended from India or some other ridiculous eastern place.

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 11:44

A Person wrote:

Kati wrote:

Swastika is a symbol of pain and horror, thus why would one want to parade around with that?

Arguably yes, but if you showed a swastika to a random group of Americans or Europeans, 98% of them would identify it with Nazism (the remaining 2% would just be ignorant, and practically no one would identify it as a pre-Nazi religious symbol). In which case, how could you expect to use it for its religious significance without arousing memories of the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany?

I just read a book about Germany and the 1936 Olympics, discussing (among other things) how the Nazis coopted history to present themselves to the world as the natural progression of human civilization. There are some things, once coopted, that can never be reclaimed.

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 11:40

TGM: Orb wrote:

Nothing justifies what Stalin did but pretending that Stalinism and Maoism happened in a vacuum doesn't do anyone any favours. No country that has just formed itself comes without bloodshed and oppression of one kind or another.

Again justifying genocide.

No country ever started with so much blood as USSR

No country lets millions of persons die of hunger while selling the double of grain to other countries.

No country eliminated every bi of freedom for 60 years

TGM: Orb wrote:

If anyone wants to ask why Stalinism and Maoism were so violent, it is because they'd seen what happens to peaceable communal movements - if the USSR had been peaceable it would've been destroyed by Britain, America, France, Japan etc. in the Russian Civil War and the US spent the entirety of the post-WW2 period forcing it to focus on military security over national stability. Of course, Lenin was responsible for brutally shutting down more anarchy-tinged communist groups.

More justification of genocide

TGM: Orb wrote:

Yes, I have heard of the Warsaw Pact. Unlike the US, the Soviet Union had actually been invaded in the Second War; unlike the US, the Soviet Union didn't profit massively from the collapse of the British Empire. You may patronise all you like but the US did extremely well out of the Second World War, while the USSR's gains came at a staggering cost.

USA wasn't invaded, that's right, but they didn't needed to and their people to Europe, they risked their lives in a war that wasn't their's, they could had focused in Japan

USSR was invaded by their NAZI ALLIES,

They were co-responsible of the war, if they had confronted Germany from the start and not only when their dreams of expansion collision with the one of their allies the war would had lasted half of the time

TGM: Orb wrote:

Saying that the USSR 'had been allies of the Nazis' is factually true but extraordinarily deliberately misleading, even for you.

Misleading?

Is an absolute truth, and if their interests in Western Europe wouldn't had been opposed to the ones of the Nazis, they would had never joined the allies

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 11:38

Kati wrote:

Swastika is a symbol of pain and horror, thus why would one want to parade around with that?

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 11:12

What?

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Posted: September 19 2015 at 11:07

Dean wrote:

Well now we have some idea of what Micky would look like in a dress.

Please Dean, the thought of Micky in dress may give me nightmares. LOL

Poll Question: Who is your favourite revolutionary?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Marx	3	[8.33%]
Engels	0	[0.00%]
Trotsky	2	[5.56%]
Lenin	3	[8.33%]
Liebknecht	0	[0.00%]
Luxumberg	1	[2.78%]
Gramsci	0	[0.00%]
Ted Grant	0	[0.00%]
Lal Khan	0	[0.00%]
Alan Woods	0	[0.00%]
Canon	0	[0.00%]
Che Guevara	2	[5.56%]
Castro	1	[2.78%]
Ho Chi Minh	1	[2.78%]
James Connelly	0	[0.00%]
Other	17	[47.22%]
I hate revolutionaries	6	[16.67%]
This topic is closed, no new votes accepted