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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 16:00
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

This is the quote I was looking for. I might add that I have always had a visceral dislike for putin, he oozes evil vibes. He is probably the only person I dislike more than trump. I was bothered deeply by this quote the first time I saw it, that's why I remembered it.

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"I would rather compare Putin to cinematographic James Bond, Roger Moore or Timothy Dalton era. Funny man yet a special agent (that has a right to eliminate the enemies). With everything that goes with it."

I have always had a sort of dislike for James Bond - for it is the funny guy that kills or at least abuses lots of people whom he considers somewhat wrong. Putin may be funny. As was James Bond. With everything that goes with it... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 15:56
Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Woon, I pulled up some of your quotes from the previous thread because I think they are important. I will explain why later. There are some other more telling quotes you made about putin, that is still to come.

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"I personally do not think, believe, anticipate, expect Russia attacks Ukraine in the near future. Russia, it seems, uses the collective common West's fear of the KGB, Stalin and all that stuff. As I have already written here, the post-Stalin USSR was of course totalitarian to a big enough extent, but it was absolutely different from the Stalin era's one. The West, an average westerner still thinks of the USSR and modern day Russia in those categories. The sane former Soviet people do not think that way. I ABSOLUTELY am not afraid of any possible large-scale attacks from Russia. I find the idea (both of attack and of being afraid of it) nonsensical. I sure may be wrong - but this is how I feel about it. I see no reason to feel the other way."
 

I still find the idea absolutely nonsensical... Smile 

As I wrote, the sane people did not think that way. How could I predict that the Russian leadership would be insane and act nonsensically? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 15:55
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

@Woon Deadn: thanks for the reference. I think you have less to fear than if you were in Russia, in that respect...

Absolutely! Ukraine used to be a democratic country. 

Why are you using passed tense?

Well, "used to be" is a word-combination not to be taken as the sequence of its components. Ukraine has a good tradition of being a democratic country. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 15:52
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Woon, I pulled up some of your quotes from the previous thread because I think they are important. I will explain why later. There are some other more telling quotes you made about putin, that is still to come.

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"I personally do not think, believe, anticipate, expect Russia attacks Ukraine in the near future. Russia, it seems, uses the collective common West's fear of the KGB, Stalin and all that stuff. As I have already written here, the post-Stalin USSR was of course totalitarian to a big enough extent, but it was absolutely different from the Stalin era's one. The West, an average westerner still thinks of the USSR and modern day Russia in those categories. The sane former Soviet people do not think that way. I ABSOLUTELY am not afraid of any possible large-scale attacks from Russia. I find the idea (both of attack and of being afraid of it) nonsensical. I sure may be wrong - but this is how I feel about it. I see no reason to feel the other way."
 

I still find the idea absolutely nonsensical... Smile 

As I wrote, the sane people did not think that way. How could I predict that the Russian leadership would be insane and act nonsensically? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 15:50
Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

@Woon Deadn: thanks for the reference. I think you have less to fear than if you were in Russia, in that respect...

Absolutely! Ukraine used to be a democratic country. 

Why are you using passed tense?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 15:48
This is the quote I was looking for. I might add that I have always had a visceral dislike for putin, he oozes evil vibes. He is probably the only person I dislike more than trump. I was bothered deeply by this quote the first time I saw it, that's why I remembered it.

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@Woon Deadn: thanks for the reference. I think you have less to fear than if you were in Russia, in that respect...

Absolutely! Ukraine used to be a democratic country. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 15:41
@Woon Deadn: thanks for the reference. I think you have less to fear than if you were in Russia, in that respect...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 15:33
Woon, I pulled up some of your quotes from the previous thread because I think they are important. I will explain why later. There are some other more telling quotes you made about putin, that is still to come.

Woon Deadn:
"I personally do not think, believe, anticipate, expect Russia attacks Ukraine in the near future. Russia, it seems, uses the collective common West's fear of the KGB, Stalin and all that stuff. As I have already written here, the post-Stalin USSR was of course totalitarian to a big enough extent, but it was absolutely different from the Stalin era's one. The West, an average westerner still thinks of the USSR and modern day Russia in those categories. The sane former Soviet people do not think that way. I ABSOLUTELY am not afraid of any possible large-scale attacks from Russia. I find the idea (both of attack and of being afraid of it) nonsensical. I sure may be wrong - but this is how I feel about it. I see no reason to feel the other way."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 15:26
Martial law is pretty standard procedure in a country that is undergoing the sort of relentless attack that putin has unleashed.
If you want to blame someone for the martial law, the blame rests squarely on the man who is bombing innocent civilians.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 15:21
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

You see, there's a martial law in Ukraine and one may be sentenced to up to 15 years in prison PLUS a total property confiscation for high treason...

Can you give us proof of this martial law in Ukraine, because this sounds very much like the martial law Putin decreed in Russia...?
 

As of now, I personally have not heard of any cases when someone was sentenced - but in any case, it is obvious that during the war the laws are getting more strict. I understand it and do not want to spoil the party for Ukraine by violating them accidentally. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 14:40
Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

You see, there's a martial law in Ukraine and one may be sentenced to up to 15 years in prison PLUS a total property confiscation for high treason...

Can you give us proof of this martial law in Ukraine, because this sounds very much like the martial law Putin decreed in Russia...?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 14:27
Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ What city are you in?

I'm not sure it is of any necessity to mention that now, honestly. Not in Kiev or Kharkiv, though. Not far from Kiev, southwards. 

Hi, 

It's the first time I see you.

What would you do in place of Zelenskij?

Hi, Lorenzo. It seems, I have never talked to you personally in this thread (or anywhere else, just for the recordSmile). You see, there's a martial law in Ukraine and one may be sentenced to up to 15 years in prison PLUS a total property confiscation for high treason - it naturally decreases the number of topics and the selection of words a Ukrainian may use in public conversation - even on the Net... Because, you know, the height of the potential treason is a relative thing. The height may swing up and down, depending on many criteria. 

So, trying to pick the correct words, I can answer this way: Mr. Zelensky has little experience of ruling the country, he is an actor deep inside his mind. He is behaving like an actor. He probably imagines himself a character in the patriotic movie, he feels like that. He gave a speech like Chaplin's character in The Great Dictator. He loves movies, he loves classic Soviet movies. He has a charming wife. Both he and his wife are evidently educated persons, they are University graduates. What would, say, Adriano Celentano or Louis De Funes do in such a situation we're talking about? Since they were actors, they would have probably played some kind of cinematic role in the real life. The role according to what they had watched, read, played themselves before. You see, the current situation is very helpful for Mr. Zelensky's political career. Quite like all of his predecessors in Ukraine, he was seen as a prodigy at the time of elections, then since two months later and on he was continuously condemned by both sides of the political spectrum. The anti-Russian part of Ukrainian society constantly blamed him for the absence of directly anti-Russian activities, the pro-Russian part of Ukrainian voters constantly blamed him for flirting with Europe and the USA. His ratings of popularity were extremely low at best. Here, suddenly he is becoming one of the greatest heroes in the country, and beyond. The current situation is very useful for his further political career. He will definitely become the next president of Ukraine - if the country survives as a sovereign entity. 

What would I do, you're asking? 
First of all, I am very different from him. I have never been a big fan of his troupe's comedy show. Their humour was very far from what Monty Python did... Principally far.  (I'm not even saying that their show made a few - at least, four - openly homophobic sketches, hinting at the bullying of male gays. Also, btw, in one of his sketches like ten-twelve years ago he told from the stage that Ukraine should not join NATO...) 
I am a very different person. I don't think I would have ever liked the idea of participating in the Presidential elections in Ukraine as the candidate. I have never participated in them even as the voter, after all. I suppose, Mr. Zelensky is much more naive than me, much more idealistic than me. Again, I can suppose his favourite Chaplin's movie is indeed The Great Dictator - mine is Modern Times, The Great Dictator is too artificially elongated as for me, too theatrical. Mr. Zelensky is the man of theatre, by his nature, I believe. I am a real life man, man of the comedy movies. I prefer comedies only. I don't like theatre plays. I don't believe in theatre or classical music. I believe only in parody movies, speaking of cinematography. 

Second, I like to tell, to explain. I would have definitely published a book or four or more - at least, in Russian - where I would have described my view of the world, and everything else. Unlike many other politicians who publish something, I would have written all those texts myself and only myself, basing it on my personal experience. I would have promoted my books, my views all over the country. Since it was written in Russian, I would have given (maybe even for free) those my works to the neighbouring countries where pretty everybody can read Russian texts. The materialist ideals are promoted by selling and consumption, the hardly-material ideals are promoted by permanent talking and reading. Whether we like Lenin or Stalin, their numerous volumes of works helped in promoting their ideals incomparably greater than one book by Hitler. 

Third, I think that the man in his late 30s and on, should already have firm beliefs. I haven't observed any adamant set of emerald beliefs in Mr. Zelensky. Now as we have a war and a martial law, I certainly see them - but before that I haven't seen them in that brave man. 

I believe that Mr. Zelensky was a man with really good intentions, really hoping to make his country's people's lives better. However, the country that he has got is very complex, and he was not that complex for ruling it. He hadn't got that schizophrenic, Pythonesque string inside the harp of his brains and heart along with the comprehension of the necessity to talk and write on his views constantly. He wasn't prepared for such a complex work. Now, hopefully, everything gets fine, ends nice - he is learning how to deal with it all. 

Thank you very much, Woon, for your testimony, also full of references to the music, cinema and so on.

I would like to ask you other questions about how you see the future, the progress of the war, if you are in favor of Zelenskij's request for a No fly zone, with all its consequences (possibility of a world war between NATO and Russia) 

or, instead, if you think it is possible to negotiate with Russia on the basis of the three official points it proposes (neutral Ukraine, recognition of Crimea as part of Russia, and recognition of the independence of the two republics of Donbass).

The Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine, Iryna Verushchuck, a few days ago, interviewed by an Italian television channel stated that Ukraine is not willing to negotiate on any of these points, except perhaps neutrality, because Crimea and Donbass - so she said, textual words, however translated - "must be reinstated in Ukraine".

But I guess it doesn't have to be easy or safe for you to write about this matter, as you wrote before.

For what it's worth, I wish you a peaceful future as soon as possible.




Edited by jamesbaldwin - March 18 2022 at 14:31
Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Communique from friends in East Europe:
"Russians attacked Lviv - largest city in West Ukraine, old European town and main Ukrainian center of European culture"



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 12:32
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

As Valpaiana mentions anti-fascists from the Resistance, I have in mind that Hitler was not stopped by non-violence, and neither by opponents in Germany.
Sure, Putin is not Hitler, however finding a peaceful solution on the basis of non-violence and disarmament needs to assume/trust that the other side respects non-violence rather than being encouraged to use violence against those who don't effectively defend themselves. It's hard to have that trust in Putin!
 
Yesterday I read this:
It seems Putin demands disarmament of the Ukraine (obviously without offering anything of that kind for Russia). This does not seem acceptable to me, as it essentially means that he wants to have a state of affairs that makes it easier for the Russians to invade another time (keep in mind that Putin said that the Ukraine doesn't have the right to exist as an independent nation).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 12:23
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Woon Deadn Woon Deadn wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ What city are you in?

I'm not sure it is of any necessity to mention that now, honestly. Not in Kiev or Kharkiv, though. Not far from Kiev, southwards. 

Hi, 

It's the first time I see you.

What would you do in place of Zelenskij?

Hi, Lorenzo. It seems, I have never talked to you personally in this thread (or anywhere else, just for the recordSmile). You see, there's a martial law in Ukraine and one may be sentenced to up to 15 years in prison PLUS a total property confiscation for high treason - it naturally decreases the number of topics and the selection of words a Ukrainian may use in public conversation - even on the Net... Because, you know, the height of the potential treason is a relative thing. The height may swing up and down, depending on many criteria. 

So, trying to pick the correct words, I can answer this way: Mr. Zelensky has little experience of ruling the country, he is an actor deep inside his mind. He is behaving like an actor. He probably imagines himself a character in the patriotic movie, he feels like that. He gave a speech like Chaplin's character in The Great Dictator. He loves movies, he loves classic Soviet movies. He has a charming wife. Both he and his wife are evidently educated persons, they are University graduates. What would, say, Adriano Celentano or Louis De Funes do in such a situation we're talking about? Since they were actors, they would have probably played some kind of cinematic role in the real life. The role according to what they had watched, read, played themselves before. You see, the current situation is very helpful for Mr. Zelensky's political career. Quite like all of his predecessors in Ukraine, he was seen as a prodigy at the time of elections, then since two months later and on he was continuously condemned by both sides of the political spectrum. The anti-Russian part of Ukrainian society constantly blamed him for the absence of directly anti-Russian activities, the pro-Russian part of Ukrainian voters constantly blamed him for flirting with Europe and the USA. His ratings of popularity were extremely low at best. Here, suddenly he is becoming one of the greatest heroes in the country, and beyond. The current situation is very useful for his further political career. He will definitely become the next president of Ukraine - if the country survives as a sovereign entity. 

What would I do, you're asking? 
First of all, I am very different from him. I have never been a big fan of his troupe's comedy show. Their humour was very far from what Monty Python did... Principally far.  (I'm not even saying that their show made a few - at least, four - openly homophobic sketches, hinting at the bullying of male gays. Also, btw, in one of his sketches like ten-twelve years ago he told from the stage that Ukraine should not join NATO...) 
I am a very different person. I don't think I would have ever liked the idea of participating in the Presidential elections in Ukraine as the candidate. I have never participated in them even as the voter, after all. I suppose, Mr. Zelensky is much more naive than me, much more idealistic than me. Again, I can suppose his favourite Chaplin's movie is indeed The Great Dictator - mine is Modern Times, The Great Dictator is too artificially elongated as for me, too theatrical. Mr. Zelensky is the man of theatre, by his nature, I believe. I am a real life man, man of the comedy movies. I prefer comedies only. I don't like theatre plays. I don't believe in theatre or classical music. I believe only in parody movies, speaking of cinematography. 

Second, I like to tell, to explain. I would have definitely published a book or four or more - at least, in Russian - where I would have described my view of the world, and everything else. Unlike many other politicians who publish something, I would have written all those texts myself and only myself, basing it on my personal experience. I would have promoted my books, my views all over the country. Since it was written in Russian, I would have given (maybe even for free) those my works to the neighbouring countries where pretty everybody can read Russian texts. The materialist ideals are promoted by selling and consumption, the hardly-material ideals are promoted by permanent talking and reading. Whether we like Lenin or Stalin, their numerous volumes of works helped in promoting their ideals incomparably greater than one book by Hitler. 

Third, I think that the man in his late 30s and on, should already have firm beliefs. I haven't observed any adamant set of emerald beliefs in Mr. Zelensky. Now as we have a war and a martial law, I certainly see them - but before that I haven't seen them in that brave man. 

I believe that Mr. Zelensky was a man with really good intentions, really hoping to make his country's people's lives better. However, the country that he has got is very complex, and he was not that complex for ruling it. He hadn't got that schizophrenic, Pythonesque string inside the harp of his brains and heart along with the comprehension of the necessity to talk and write on his views constantly. He wasn't prepared for such a complex work. Now, hopefully, everything gets fine, ends nice - he is learning how to deal with it all. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2022 at 11:56
As Valpaiana mentions anti-fascists from the Resistance, I have in mind that Hitler was not stopped by non-violence, and neither by opponents in Germany.
Sure, Putin is not Hitler, however finding a peaceful solution on the basis of non-violence and disarmament needs to assume/trust that the other side respects non-violence rather than being encouraged to use violence against those who don't effectively defend themselves. It's hard to have that trust in Putin!
 
Yesterday I read this:
It seems Putin demands disarmament of the Ukraine (obviously without offering anything of that kind for Russia). This does not seem acceptable to me, as it essentially means that he wants to have a state of affairs that makes it easier for the Russians to invade another time (keep in mind that Putin said that the Ukraine doesn't have the right to exist as an independent nation).


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I agree with the opinion of Mao Valpiana:

Letter of THE PRESIDENT OF THE ITALIAN NONVIOLENT MOVEMENT


Dear Gad Lerner, Luigi Manconi, Adriano Sofri, Emma Bonino* [*Italian left-wings politicians or journalists],
I immediately get to the point that divides us today: "weapons yes / no weapons" from the EU to Ukraine.
I am writing to you because, unlike most of the Italian commentators who mock pacifism by making a caricature of it, I know that you consider it, for common friendship and sensitivity, and because you have motivated your choice also in reference to Gandhi who, in front of a abuse, between sloth and violence says that the latter is preferable. But the Mahatma chooses the third way, that of the nonviolence of the strong. At stake are principles and practice, ends and means, philosophy and politics. This type of nonviolent pacifism has two requirements: ethics and effectiveness.

Let's start with effectiveness. We do not know which "lethal" weapons are sent, because they are covered by military secrecy. However, we know how much they cost (up to now one billion euros), already paid to the war industry with funds advanced by the "ecological transition" (the Italian fund of 100 million taken from "cooperation"), therefore it is a conversion from civilian to military . Will these weapons reach the Ukrainian regular army, or will they be intercepted by the growing paramilitary "territorial defense" militias, even with mercenaries arriving from abroad? Were the lessons from Libya and Afghanistan not enough for us, where Western weapons ended up in the hands of rival gangs or the Taliban, with the consequences we know? And are we sure that these weapons will be able to make a difference in terms of military capacity, firepower, or will it not be necessary to continually raise the bar, in the military logic that wins those who have the most lethal weapons, up to the extreme consequences? (starting from the recruitment of child soldiers, up to the threat from the West of tactical nuclear weapons?).
Indeed, this is the point that makes today's war different from all others: the nuclear threat. This is the situation that, in the aftermath of the Cuban missile crisis, Pope John XXIII configured in Pacem in Terris: "In a time like ours, which prides itself on atomic power, it is alien to any reason that war can be used as a tool to restore violated rights ". Many military observers also argue that the dispatch of new weapons increases the danger of uncontrolled escalation and further postpones the possibility of a successful deal.

And we come to ethics. The Constituents [the fathers of the Italian Constitution] intended to ban (repudiate) armed intervention (war) as a means of resolving international disputes even when the controversy has taken on the character of an armed conflict. Our Constitution does not deny the "natural right of individual or collective self-protection in the event of an armed attack against a member of the United Nations" enshrined in the United Nations Charter, but reiterates what the UN Charter itself requires: "The Members they must resolve their international disputes by peaceful means, so that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered ”. It is in this context that the problem of sending weapons to a nation undergoing armed aggression must be considered. Condemning the aggression and supporting the just reasons of that nation does not automatically mean that one must intervene militarily in that context. If so, weapons should be provided to all peoples fighting for their sovereignty, such as the Palestinians whose territories have been illegally occupied by Israel for decades. It is not done because sending weapons always configures a situation of belligerence.

Zelenskii has decided to take the path of armed defense: "better to die on your feet than to live on your knees". We say that the third way must be sought: "living standing". All this certainly requires helping those who are resisting, but with what defense? Other voices that come to us from Kiev must also be listened to. Like that of Yurii Sheliazhenko, national referent of the Ukrainian peace movement who told us about the dispatch of weapons: "Madness! It is fueling escalation and bloodshed. The international media are manipulated by the war machine. There is a need for international pressure for a ceasefire and to arrive at a real negotiation ". It is also urgent to support, finance, strengthen the growing movement of Russian conscientious objectors, and the mothers of soldiers who oppose the call of conscripts, to weaken Putin on the domestic front.
All the nonviolent instruments must be put in place to reach as soon as possible the "Ceasefire" - which is bilateral and is not the surrender of one party - and promote real negotiations (for which the Vatican is also working). Trade sanctions against Russia are important, but not sufficient measures. We need a qualitative leap in the rationale of nonviolent struggle which is "to take the first step first". In concrete terms, this means promoting military de-escalation, starting now to do what had to be done before: withdrawing the nuclear bombs present in the European territory by dismantling the "nuclear sharing"; recall the NATO military contingents recently sent to Eastern Europe, and hold an international conference under the aegis of the United Nations putting the compromise of neutral Ukraine on the table.
Since the fall of the Berlin Wall we have supported the transformation of NATO from a military alliance to an alliance for security and cooperation. Since 1995 we have advanced proposals and operational projects for the constitution of the international police (European civil peace corps), with professional training for peace operators and mediators, who could have intervened preventively in the Donbass crisis, and which today could be a real force of de-escalation and field intervention. Instead of further increasing the military budgets of individual states, as decided at Versailles, those funds should be used to lay the foundations today for the European defense of tomorrow, creating the international police that is still missing. Is unilateral disarmament a pious illusion? I have no certainties, nonviolence has many ifs and many buts.
However, I know that two historical anti-fascists, who participated in the Resistance, such as Aldo Capitini and Carlo Cassola, came to this political choice and made it the mission of their lives and I think of the nonviolent pacifism of our mutual friend Alex Langer ("A movement for the peace that was made mainly of condemnation of certain military aggressions, but from which no concrete effect derives, would not have great credibility. I am convinced that today the research and development sector of nonviolence must take great steps forward "). And I also know that when Mikhail Gorbachev took the first step of unilateral disarmament it came, for the first time in history, to the 1987 Treaty which dismantled 2,700 Russian and American nuclear missiles, putting an end to the Cold War. Perhaps this is the right way. Between enlisting for war or preaching surrender, there is the third way of active nonviolence. 

Mao Valpiana, president of the Nonviolent Movement

I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Mao Valpiana...
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ What city are you in?

I'm not sure it is of any necessity to mention that now, honestly. Not in Kiev or Kharkiv, though. Not far from Kiev, southwards. 

Hi, 

It's the first time I see you.

What would you do in place of Zelenskij?
Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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An interview with Igor Sidorenko (PA’s Prog-jester).

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