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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^you have piqued my curiosity, Sounds like the sort of stuff I'd lap up
really?  I'm surprised, most people get a far-off look and mutter something like, "Hmm. right, sounds cool.."

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^you have piqued my curiosity, Sounds like the sort of stuff I'd lap up
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finished Flight From Dallas about an air force sergeant who claims to have accidentally been aboard an empty unmarked plane on the afternoon of Nov 22, 1963 which was suddenly diverted mid-flight to Dallas.  Upon landing, the plane picked up two guys in coveralls, one who looked exactly like Lee Harvey Oswald.   A fantastic story that is almost beyond belief, except that the sergeant wrote his name in the flight log that day and that log was found years later with his signature.   It also fits with credible reports of Oswald lookalikes in Dallas weeks before the assassination, and the account is so incredible and bizarre that it reads almost like fiction.   If false, it's bad literature.   If true, it is a fascinating piece of the puzzle.

also midway through The Assassination Tapes, a very important if long-winded book written in '75 focusing on the Psychological Stress Evaluation test done using recorded samples of the voice; a very precise method of determining whether someone is likely to be telling the truth based on subtle changes in voice and speech patterns (and less accurate about whether someone is consciously lying).   After years of studying and stress-evaluating recordings of all the major subjects in the Kennedy case - Oswald, Ruby, Earl Warren, the police, etc. - author and former chief of the CIA's Problem Analysis Branch, George O'Toole, made some startling discoveries.






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My mate who is supposed to be lending me Snow Crash says Anathem is his best work.  He also says it'll blow my mind.

Dustin, I guess you won't be watching the new The Prisoner then? LOL
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I just finished reading Count Zero by William Gibson.  It was good, though not quite at the same level of Neuromancer (who would expect it to be, really?).  The interlocking storylines were more confusing than necessary this time around since I had close to a month break about halfway through the book thanks to loads of video games, but it was enjoyable nonetheless.  Tonight I started the final book in the Sprawl trilogy, Mona Lisa Overdrive.  Up after that, I've got some Neal Stephenson lined up...I have Snow Crash, The Diamond Age, and Cryptonomicon, and I'll probably check them out in that order.  More PKD and other authors will also go in there somewhere. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alitare Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 22:21
^Exactly. I hate Tv series' for lots of reasons. I only enjoy, out of every television show ever made, five of them, and that's stretching it.

Monty Python's Flying Circus (Humor I can depend on - by being as undependable as possible)
The Prisoner (For being a psychotic cross between spy fiction, surrealism, and philosophy)
Cowboy Bebop (for the music and because it's only one full season - none of that 300 episode anime crap)
The original Twilight Zone (because it's the best short story collection ever put before a camera)
The Original Star Trek (because, despite all those technical issues and heavy-handed dialogues, it was still grand science fiction that placed the emphasis on the characters, settings, and ideas rather than the guns and crap -commendable)

I don't follow Charmed, Dexter, CSI, 24, reality television, or any of that. I used to dig Neon Genesis Evangelion until I realized that the religious symbolism was all just a trick to disguise what was really just a 'big mech fighting show' at heart. Not to dismiss the emotional grasp of the story and the fact that it's the best 'big robot fighting show' ever devised. I sincerely enjoyed it, but I can't ever say I'd want to go watch it again, nor will I ever spend time with the movies or sequels. 

I'm picky. I hate television so much I don't watch it. I could only watch one of these shows sans commercials. So Netflix has helped me tremendously with that, considering it has every episode of Star Trek, Monty Python, and The Twilight Zone that were ever created. 
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That's the same issue I have, Dustin.

It's why I haven't read Dickens' The Mystery of Edwin Drood too.

The same applies for me with television series.  There was a series made for the BBC in the 1980s that was cut short, so there's only two series, when there should have been three.

So I kind of want to watch it but I know I'll be wanting to see that third series.

Luckily, the series was based on a series of books, so I can get around that way.
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I have a difficult time mustering the energy to want to read something that doesn't have an ending. It's why I don't like TV serials and comic books, why should I like it in a novel? :P Not that it's his fault he died. I'd read it if it were finished. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Truth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 21:54
He was undoubtedly a short story writer, his shorter works were so much stronger than the longer.

I haven't read The Castle yet though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alitare Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 21:50
I'd just like to have been able to read more of his short stories. I think his mind was more geared toward that manner of output - where his pursued ideas would've been stifled by the excessive length of the novel format eventually. I think if he could've gotten a chance to read more stories from other people and take them into his own style, he could've released a real body of work I could scour over for days as opposed to one evening.
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I think he was still in that random room in that random place being on trial when my computer crashed and I lost my tabs and thus where I got up to.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Truth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 21:45
I think the seventh, I'm not sure though.

It may be eighth, before he goes in the chapel.
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That's the thing.  When he died, his work was going to get destroyed until Max Brod decided otherwise.

I wish he'd have written more as I believe there was even more genius in his mind.  Alas, we'll have to live with the legacy he left and thank Max Brod for saving it all.

Which chapter has a missing section?


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My copy of The Trial has a large appendix devoted to alternate chapters, lost chapters, unfinished segments, alternate ending excerpts, tidbits and the like. 

I did honestly enjoy The Trial. Metamorphosis was a good long short - again he plays heavily on the theme of a man processing a ludicrously unusual situation with the most rationality possible. Oh, he inspired nearly everybody - Philip K. Dick (another guy that would try really hard to put normal, typical people into extraordinary situations), David Lynch (a guy that tries really hard to make his works seem entrapping, thickly veiled, dark and subtle - confined and claustrophobic)...

I'd never discount his works, what little of them there are. 
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But the ending of The Trial is the best. Shocked

However, I got the feeling the section missing in the one chapter was insanely crucial to the overall story. I could just sense it once it skipped.
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I didn't really get much out of In the Penal Colony, which was disappointing as I had heard good things about it.

I love The Metamorphosis though and I haven't yet finished The Trial but I enjoyed what I have read of it so far.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Truth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 21:17
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

As for Kafka, having read most of his short works + the Trial, I can say that his most notable writing aspect is the mental state he brings in - creeping, crawling, claustrophobic, paranoid, and calmly confused. Paranoid in a rational manner. Think of a man trying to make sense out of an entrapping senselessness. Very much inspired by governmental pains and the like. I can't say he's ever shaken my world, but I've been entertained by his works on occasion. I'm in more of the 'preferring the influenced to the influential' in this regard.


That's basically how it is for me only from what you've said I seem to be a little more emotionally attached to Kafka.
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Then luckily for you Ford doesn't do that.  I've never once read about aliens or ray guns in any of his work.  Most of his work seems to cover humans in an earth like world.  They do cover elements of psychology and emotion too and mystery too.

Basically, if you read one story by him, don't necessarily expect another to be similar.  So give him a chance.

His fiction is quite intriguing.  His short-stories never cover the same ground either.

Exoskeleton Man is one I like.

There's another I like too but cannot remember the title but it's in one of my short fiction collections of his.

Oh and of course, the acclaimed The Empire of Ice Cream too is worth a read.  I won't give the concept away though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alitare Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 21:07
Thanks, that's a good idea. I'm currently scouring the web for speculative fiction/notable sci fi short stories and copy/pasting them into my Progarchives personal messager, messaging myself so I can read them at work. 

I prefer speculative science fiction that deals more with psychology and emotion rather than strange alien creatures and ray guns, unless, of course, they can twist strange alien creatures and ray guns into something psychological, emotional, or mind-expanding.
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No worries.

He may not tick all your boxes but then I am not really sure what exactly you're after.  I'd call him more of a Speculative Fiction writer than a Sci-Fi writer though, which is why I mentioned him.

The Physiognomy is a great novel and the two follow-ups are good too.  So I recommend those.

But I think it's his short stories you'll enjoy.  I have all his short stories in two hardback editions and one paperback.  Three collections is quite hefty but with those you'll get a lot of interesting stories and ideas.

Let me know if you like him.

Oh and do a search on Google for him, as many of his short-stories are available for free from various sites, so it'll give you an idea if you may like him before spending money on his books.
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