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Anthony H. 
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 Posted: August 02 2012 at 16:22 |
 zumacraig wrote:
of course,all of this means nothing. let's talk about something really important, like Chik-Fil-A!
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zumacraig
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 16:20 |
meh is right. the internet is such a wasteland. we're sitting here arguing about a 7 year old interview! :-)
anyway, wilson's comments are utterly naive. one can't dictate how another should do their art. ironically, steven wilson is all retro 90s alternative and not progressive. roine, on the other hand, has some thin skin. who gives a sh*t what steven wilson says...he's roine stolt.
of course,all of this means nothing. let's talk about something really important, like Chik-Fil-A!
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Stardust we are.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 16:15 |
I agree mostly with SW, even if he is a total ass. Though I'm not a fan of TFK, Roine gets points in my book for being mature.
As for both of them, meh.
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 15:54 |
Roland113 wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
I remember when this came out and i was put off by Wilson's attitude but at the same time i was and still am a huge fan. As others have mentioned this was a long time ago and back then Wilson didn't have a lot of good things to say about progressive rock period. He always distanced himself from it while today he champions it. So i'm happy Wilson came around and i think he has matured some too.
I honestly think that the way The Flower Kings promoted a positive message and brought light into music pissed Wilson off back then as he was into the darker, melancholic style. |
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Okay some things with Wilson will never change  I don't see him buying IQ or Flower Kings albums ever. He's also stated he would never play or sing on an Ayreon album either.
Edited by Mellotron Storm - August 02 2012 at 16:18
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Roland113
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 15:47 |
Mellotron Storm wrote:
I remember when this came out and i was put off by Wilson's attitude but at the same time i was and still am a huge fan. As others have mentioned this was a long time ago and back then Wilson didn't have a lot of good things to say about progressive rock period. He always distanced himself from it while today he champions it. So i'm happy Wilson came around and i think he has matured some too.
I honestly think that the way The Flower Kings promoted a positive message and brought light into music pissed Wilson off back then as he was into the darker, melancholic style. |
As opposed to now?
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Anthony H.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 15:21 |
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Wilson is the emo kid of prog.
Edited by Anthony H. - August 02 2012 at 15:29
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 15:15 |
I remember when this came out and i was put off by Wilson's attitude but at the same time i was and still am a huge fan. As others have mentioned this was a long time ago and back then Wilson didn't have a lot of good things to say about progressive rock period. He always distanced himself from it while today he champions it. So i'm happy Wilson came around and i think he has matured some too.
I honestly think that the way The Flower Kings promoted a positive message and brought light into music pissed Wilson off back then as he was into the darker, melancholic style.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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rdtprog
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 15:10 |
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Two on my favorites band bashing each other! Ronnie being more polite. I think Steven went too far with the words he used. I don't see a big difference in a band that make progressive music with a new metal influence, and another that make progressive music with a old symphonic influence. As long as it's progressive music, new or retro, i don't care.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 15:03 |
HolyMoly wrote:
If this happened in 2005, I think it's pretty much water under the bridge by now. I think both parties came off a bit childishly. Take Roine Stolt and Steven Wilson, and drop them in a discussion room of hard core "GLEE" fans. Let them hear people argue at length over whether Finn and Rachel's marriage will be successful, or whether Puck is really a good guy or just a manipulative punk, the choice of songs in the "Madonna" episode, and whether or not Curt is a fair portrayal of a gay student. After a couple of hours of this, Roine and Steve will understand that they're not so far apart after all. They're both into progressive rock to the GLEE fan.
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LOL, well played.
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Anthony H.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 14:48 |
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Wow. f**k Steven Wilson. I've lost an enormous amount of respect for him after reading that.
Regardless of whether or not you agree with him, you can't deny that that was nasty, pompous, and downright sh*tty.
Edited by Anthony H. - August 02 2012 at 15:02
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Wanorak
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 14:41 |
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Point to Roine!! The negativity expressed by Steven Wilson was totally unnecessary!! What's great about prog now is that all the diverse acts can exist at the same time, and they all should support each other!!
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 14:19 |
sleeper wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
If this happened in 2005, I think it's pretty much water under the bridge by now. I think both parties came off a bit childishly. Take Roine Stolt and Steven Wilson, and drop them in a discussion room of hard core "GLEE" fans. Let them hear people argue at length over whether Finn and Rachel's marriage will be successful, or whether Puck is really a good guy or just a manipulative punk, the choice of songs in the "Madonna" episode, and whether or not Curt is a fair portrayal of a gay student. After a couple of hours of this, Roine and Steve will understand that they're not so far apart after all. They're both into progressive rock to the GLEE fan.
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Sounds like your trying to turn them into a pair of mass murderers to me, either that or they'll create a suicide pact.
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Yeah. Still, the point of my ridiculous example is that we - prog-metal fans, new fans, old fans, RIO fans, Volta fans, Flower King fans, etc. - are not as ideologically different as we sometimes think we are.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 13:26 |
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Another thing, keep in mind this was 7 years ago. |
Exactly. 7 years ago I was a black man from Uganda into Sperm whale fishing and Burt Bacharach.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 13:16 |
HolyMoly wrote:
If this happened in 2005, I think it's pretty much water under the bridge by now. I think both parties came off a bit childishly. Take Roine Stolt and Steven Wilson, and drop them in a discussion room of hard core "GLEE" fans. Let them hear people argue at length over whether Finn and Rachel's marriage will be successful, or whether Puck is really a good guy or just a manipulative punk, the choice of songs in the "Madonna" episode, and whether or not Curt is a fair portrayal of a gay student. After a couple of hours of this, Roine and Steve will understand that they're not so far apart after all. They're both into progressive rock to the GLEE fan.
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Sounds like your trying to turn them into a pair of mass murderers to me, either that or they'll create a suicide pact.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 12:08 |
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If this happened in 2005, I think it's pretty much water under the bridge by now. I think both parties came off a bit childishly. Take Roine Stolt and Steven Wilson, and drop them in a discussion room of hard core "GLEE" fans. Let them hear people argue at length over whether Finn and Rachel's marriage will be successful, or whether Puck is really a good guy or just a manipulative punk, the choice of songs in the "Madonna" episode, and whether or not Curt is a fair portrayal of a gay student. After a couple of hours of this, Roine and Steve will understand that they're not so far apart after all. They're both into progressive rock to the GLEE fan.
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M27Barney
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 11:53 |
tamijo wrote:
Would be nice with a link to the interview.
Another thing, keep in mind this was 7 years ago. |
I thought it was contemporary...after the release of the whirlwind and Banks of Eden.....
well well well.........
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 11:36 |
darkshade wrote:
The problem is, Porcupine Tree is (was) no more progressive than The Flower Kings were (are), so all of SWilson's comments are null and void,
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Agreed. I can understand Robert Fripp making that kind of statement, but Wilson isn't exactly the epitome of progressive-ness. Hey, Steven, truly progressive acts don't even care whether the public calls them prog rock or whatever.  I agree to a large extent about the points Wilson made about Flower Kings but he so isn't the right person to say that in such scathing terms in an interview.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 11:17 |
Steven Wilson is rather close to an imbecile when he opens his mouth. When he shuts up and plays his little simple instruments he fares way better.
Anyway, if what he's being doing recently is supposed to be the real standard for real "progressive" rock, count me out of that stupid train. Porcupine Tree is rather always good (except the last album) but Wilson's multiple projects in recent years all make me yawn and get sleepy.
And that's beside the point. He just showed he's a child. He looks like a child, and acts like a child.
I've always said: that one person is extremely good at something doesn't mean they are extremely good at giving opinions, or even that they're intelligent.
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kole
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 09:08 |
ScorchedFirth wrote:
Steven Wilson was kinda right. A good point, really badly (bit nastily even) made.
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This. Though if I understand it correctly, he was asked specifically about TFK and Transatlantic
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 08:14 |
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^ being as this was in 2005 I don't see a retraction coming soon. I'd love to hear his take on that interview now to see if he's matured at all. Either way, you don't trash other bands in interviews, I think the term is professional courtesy.
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