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Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Hey, Snowy! We reported the same review in the very same moment!


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        HACKETT, STEVE Watcher of the Skies - Genesis Revisited progressive rock album and reviews
       
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    Rubbish.The past is best left as it is....
This album makes me think of a master painter rehashing an old masterpiece, only to
get caught up in polishing his own ego on the way.Save your money.
    







...and not real helpful. Some may like records where an artist revisits their past.
    
    

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Hey, Snowy! We reported the same review in the very same moment!
"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."

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Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
Couldn't agree more....
 
It damages the overall quality of the archives by doing this: an album is NOT out yet... some people manage to somehow listen to it (we don't know how "final" the product they heard is)... they rush to write 5 lines reviews just trying to be the first to review and surprise everyboy with their "discovery"... the FIRST REVIEWS you'll have for that album will be those afwul ones... even after the collaborators start reviewing it, the first reviews in the GUEST area would still be those.... the rating of the album will be affected because of those lousy reviews... and people who are not sure yet as if to buy an album or not, will have.... those reviews for guidance??!! I think the first review, at least of major releases, should be always a collaborator one or at least a recurrent guest... with not-so-big releases, of course we always need the opinionof those few who have listened to a record (I myself have the only review of two albums.... but those AREN'T Pain of Salvation, one of today's leading bands...)


I think that the real problem lies in the fact that albums which haven't been released yet are added to the band pages. My opinion is that albums should be added on the official release date. Currently, we have 7 albums in the archives which haven't been released yet, and in my opinion it doesn't look good at all. It implies that people on the site have found illegal, leaked copies of the albums and heard them before they have been released (regardless of whether or not such leaked copies actually exist, that's the way it looks). The fact that some of them have been added by the site's owner doesn't make the situation look any better.
 
Agree 100%.... 
 
I think there shouldn't be any not-yet-released albums in the archives.... man, we can WAIT. We're not THAT desperate. We aren't "prog-heads" who need their fix with desperation. Please. Better to wait but to have a review of a released album than a few atrocious reviews by some guys that think they are illuminating us with their abilities to find music. (not ALL of them: the last review of POS Scarsick by a guest at least tells us how he got ahold of the album, props for that).


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Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=103426
 
This reviewer admits to have downloaded the album, and currently it's the most recent review on the home page. He makes some good points and I personaly don't mind that he downloaded, since he claimed he'd buy it later, but that's not good advertisement for the first review on the home page.
 
Agree 99%.... But at least he tells us HOW HE GOT THE ALBUM in the first place, something the remaining 4 awful guest reviews (not the collaborator one) didn't. There should be a standard for first-time-reviews of a not-yet-released album.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
Couldn't agree more....
 
It damages the overall quality of the archives by doing this: an album is NOT out yet... some people manage to somehow listen to it (we don't know how "final" the product they heard is)... they rush to write 5 lines reviews just trying to be the first to review and surprise everyboy with their "discovery"... the FIRST REVIEWS you'll have for that album will be those afwul ones... even after the collaborators start reviewing it, the first reviews in the GUEST area would still be those.... the rating of the album will be affected because of those lousy reviews... and people who are not sure yet as if to buy an album or not, will have.... those reviews for guidance??!! I think the first review, at least of major releases, should be always a collaborator one or at least a recurrent guest... with not-so-big releases, of course we always need the opinionof those few who have listened to a record (I myself have the only review of two albums.... but those AREN'T Pain of Salvation, one of today's leading bands...)


I think that the real problem lies in the fact that albums which haven't been released yet are added to the band pages. My opinion is that albums should be added on the official release date. Currently, we have 7 albums in the archives which haven't been released yet, and in my opinion it doesn't look good at all. It implies that people on the site have found illegal, leaked copies of the albums and heard them before they have been released (regardless of whether or not such leaked copies actually exist, that's the way it looks). The fact that some of them have been added by the site's owner doesn't make the situation look any better.


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Bob has a way in putting the headline with charisma in an often tempo.

I think my favorite is or remained Live At Pompei DVD: Get A Haircut!

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RUTHERFORD, MIKE — Acting Very Strange
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LOL what a way to describe an album and motivate ranking in one line. Thanks Bob!

Actually, the album was on my 'check this out' list, but I guess it's going to be removed, or gotten from the library instead of the stores...
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Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I don't know about this, but how come there are reviews of an album that isn't out yet? I know maybe you can listen to it in a website or something, but the thing is, we have a lot of very short reviews of POS Scarsick coming from guests who I think are just trying to be the "first" to review an album even before it is available to most of us. Besides, shouldn't reviews be made only from actually released records so that sound quality, and every last minute addition by the band or the label or whatver change it may happen will be heard? Today we have three consecutive reviews of that album, all of them short, don't say anything with a real meaning, just trying to "show off" how quick they were to listen to POS' new. I have yet to read a review by a collaborator, then I would trust. But in the case of an album not-yet-released, with no collaborator-reviews available, I just don't trust those short, weak-content reviews.

(I had this post on the "report abuse" thread but someone pointed me in this direction)

I agree, even if someone acquired the album legally, if people refrain from reviewing until the release date in their country then there'd be a lot fewer pointless reviews. When I reviewed Octavarium I got to sift through dozens of pre-release "This is teh best album in teh world" nonsense, and from what I hear, a lot was removed before I joined. You can post the album but announce that only collabs. and admins can review it before its release date.
 
Couldn't agree more....
 
It damages the overall quality of the archives by doing this: an album is NOT out yet... some people manage to somehow listen to it (we don't know how "final" the product they heard is)... they rush to write 5 lines reviews just trying to be the first to review and surprise everyboy with their "discovery"... the FIRST REVIEWS you'll have for that album will be those afwul ones... even after the collaborators start reviewing it, the first reviews in the GUEST area would still be those.... the rating of the album will be affected because of those lousy reviews... and people who are not sure yet as if to buy an album or not, will have.... those reviews for guidance??!! I think the first review, at least of major releases, should be always a collaborator one or at least a recurrent guest... with not-so-big releases, of course we always need the opinionof those few who have listened to a record (I myself have the only review of two albums.... but those AREN'T Pain of Salvation, one of today's leading bands...)
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I don't know about this, but how come there are reviews of an album that isn't out yet? I know maybe you can listen to it in a website or something, but the thing is, we have a lot of very short reviews of POS Scarsick coming from guests who I think are just trying to be the "first" to review an album even before it is available to most of us. Besides, shouldn't reviews be made only from actually released records so that sound quality, and every last minute addition by the band or the label or whatver change it may happen will be heard? Today we have three consecutive reviews of that album, all of them short, don't say anything with a real meaning, just trying to "show off" how quick they were to listen to POS' new. I have yet to read a review by a collaborator, then I would trust. But in the case of an album not-yet-released, with no collaborator-reviews available, I just don't trust those short, weak-content reviews.

(I had this post on the "report abuse" thread but someone pointed me in this direction)

I agree, even if someone acquired the album legally, if people refrain from reviewing until the release date in their country then there'd be a lot fewer pointless reviews. When I reviewed Octavarium I got to sift through dozens of pre-release "This is teh best album in teh world" nonsense, and from what I hear, a lot was removed before I joined. You can post the album but announce that only collabs. and admins can review it before its release date.
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This is true, though the band did indeed play things such as 'Bron-Y-Aur' on this extended '73 East Coast tour (I have many shows from this period, all excellent) but there is none on the *album* SRTS, nor any *live* version from the film. The studio recording of 'Bron-Y-Aur' (which was written and recorded in or around 1970) is played over scenes of Page and the boys on the move but never shown live. All confusing but important complexities of this band's career.
    

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  LED ZEPPELIN — The Song Remains The Same (Soundtrack)
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There is not much more to add than already mentioned on the DVD/Video release. This is an incredibly good live album. It would have perhaps been even better had it shown more of the Physical Graffiti material but nevertheless there are some splendid renditions of the originals. Highlights would have to be the 26 minute ' Dazed and Confused', a 14 minute rendition of ' Whole lotta Love', ' No Quarter' and one my persoanl favourites ' Celebration Day' off Led Zeppelin III. A solid four stars.


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The problem seems to be the reviewers notion that the music on SRTS was from the PT tour, which is of course incorrect, but he gives that impression. Since some of the music that is on the first six albums was written, in its initial stages, around the 1970 period, it may cause some confusion but I think in this case, it's more a matter of misunderstanding the dates of SRTS, which was over several days of shows in NYC, 1973.
    
    
These are my thoughts also. There is nothing wrong with the review as such, but facts should be checked first to so as to give an accurate account. I think that it says as much somewhere in review writing guidelines here as well.



To be honest, the review just doesn't deliver. SRTS is one of the greatest official live documents in rock and this does not do it justice. Plus the mis-dating kinda ruins it.
    
    
    

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The problem seems to be the reviewers notion that the music on SRTS was from the PT tour, which is of course incorrect, but he gives that impression. Since some of the music that is on the first six albums was written, in its initial stages, around the 1970 period, it may cause some confusion but I think in this case, it's more a matter of misunderstanding the dates of SRTS, which was over several days of shows in NYC, 1973.
    
    


These are my thoughts also. There is nothing wrong with the review as such, but facts should be checked first to so as to give an accurate account. I think that it says as much somewhere in review writing guidelines here as well.
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The problem seems to be the reviewers notion that the music on SRTS was from the PT tour, which is of course incorrect, but he gives that impression. Since some of the music that is on the first six albums was written, in its initial stages, around the 1970 period, it may cause some confusion but I think in this case, it's more a matter of misunderstanding the dates of SRTS, which was over several days of shows in NYC, 1973.
    
    

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PAIN OF SALVATION — Scarsick[/COLOR">Review by kentavros (Stavros)
<P style="COLOR: #333"> Alot won't understand it Alot will critisize it But for those who appreciate a testimony of thoughts by one of the biggest genius in our time in music will see the agony of the man about the future of all of us. Progressivness to its limit.Anger and suddness.The agony of what a human being is. Have we lost our goal in life? Questions that seek answer.And the vehicle to that is music.Rage for order of 2007? At least few understood that record then.The same will happen here.





If you're reviewing an album that isn't OUT yet, I think the goal would be to try to clarify for other people who haven't heard that album yet what it sounds like... but this review just says "I'm smart, you aren't; I COULD UNDERSTAND the lyric subject matter of Scarsick, MOST PEOPLE WON'T".  And about the MUSIC? ZERO. Zero comments about the music. Just a "I know a lot" review.... It doesn't help nor serves any purpose for people who want to read a good opinion about an album that ISNT OUT YET.



Yes, this could have been a much more comprehensive (and readable) write-up. But there is also a bit of poetry here and perhaps the writer could improve it with a little more text.
    
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

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    LED ZEPPELIN — The Song Remains The Same (Soundtrack)
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There is not much more to add than already mentioned on the DVD/Video release. This is an incredibly good live album. It would have perhaps been even better had it shown more of the Physical Graffiti material but nevertheless there are some splendid renditions of the originals. Highlights would have to be the 26 minute ' Dazed and Confused', a 14 minute rendition of ' Whole lotta Love', ' No Quarter' and one my persoanl favourites ' Celebration Day' off Led Zeppelin III. A solid four stars.

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How can It have Physical Graffiti material Chris? This concert was before that album.


    
 
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Because the movie and album were released after PG, but the concert was before, in fact its part of the Houses Of The Holy Tour.
 
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

    LED ZEPPELIN — The Song Remains The Same (Soundtrack)
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There is not much more to add than already mentioned on the DVD/Video release. This is an incredibly good live album. It would have perhaps been even better had it shown more of the Physical Graffiti material but nevertheless there are some splendid renditions of the originals. Highlights would have to be the 26 minute ' Dazed and Confused', a 14 minute rendition of ' Whole lotta Love', ' No Quarter' and one my persoanl favourites ' Celebration Day' off Led Zeppelin III. A solid four stars.

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How can It have Physical Graffiti material Chris? This concert was before that album.


    
 
well several songs from Physical graffiti were written before the concert, so it isn't an impossibility. Tongue


True Tux, but absolutely unlikely!Wink
 
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Because the movie and album were released after PG, but the concert was before, in fact its part of the Houses Of The Holy Tour.
 
I know when it's recorded blackdog.Tongue


I know you know when it was recorded, Sockson.Wink
 
I know you know I know you supossedly know I know that you know I know when it was recorded, Hot Dog.
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Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

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    LED ZEPPELIN — The Song Remains The Same (Soundtrack)
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There is not much more to add than already mentioned on the DVD/Video release. This is an incredibly good live album. It would have perhaps been even better had it shown more of the Physical Graffiti material but nevertheless there are some splendid renditions of the originals. Highlights would have to be the 26 minute ' Dazed and Confused', a 14 minute rendition of ' Whole lotta Love', ' No Quarter' and one my persoanl favourites ' Celebration Day' off Led Zeppelin III. A solid four stars.

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How can It have Physical Graffiti material Chris? This concert was before that album.


    
 
well several songs from Physical graffiti were written before the concert, so it isn't an impossibility. Tongue


True Tux, but absolutely unlikely!Wink
 
The movie has Bron-Yr-AurBig smile


Because the movie and album were released after PG, but the concert was before, in fact its part of the Houses Of The Holy Tour.
 
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I know you know when it was recorded, Sockson.Wink
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