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lazland 
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Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13862 |
 Posted: March 15 2022 at 16:18 |
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^ Lorenzo, it is not uncommon for politicians and diplomats to decline to conduct their negotiations via the media. Negotiations such as this are held behind closed doors, and rightly, because the media circus would run amok with anything spilled. Most politicians learn pretty early on that the trick on how to handle the media zoo is to waffle on endlessly without saying anything of any interest to anybody. Job done.
I might also add that it is perfectly possible that Ukraine’s position is, in all reality, to refuse to negotiate any loss of territory and sovereignty whilst Putin’s army is bombing merry hell out of them. For many people, that is not an unreasonable position to take.
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nick_h_nz
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Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6742 |
Posted: March 15 2022 at 16:11 |
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And nor should they have any interest in negotiating on those three points requested by Putin.
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jamesbaldwin
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Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
Posted: March 15 2022 at 16:01 |
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UKRAINE DOES NOT WANT TO DEAL Last night, Zelensky's deputy premier, Iryna Vereshchuck, a former Ukrainian army officer and minister for the reintegration of occupied Ukrainian areas, was interviewed by three Italian journalists who are experts in international politics. The aforementioned asked her what Ukraine is willing to negotiate with Russia. Vereschchuck said Ukraine is calling for an immediate ceasefire and that there are working humanitarian corridors. The Italian journalists insisted: Do Ukraine want to negotiate on the basis of the three points requested by Moscow? 1) Neutrality 2) Recognition of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent republics 3) Recognition of Crimea as part of Russia Zelenskij's deputy premier said Ukraine does not intend to recognize ANYTHING, on the contrary, Ukraine wants these areas to be reinstated to Ukraine with a UN decision. The Italian journalists then asked her on what basis Ukraine plans to negotiate, but Vereshchuck went back to talking about Russia bombing and massacres, etc. In the end, one of the Italian journalists concluded, worried, that this being the situation, Ukraine has no intention of negotiating. This is the video of the broadcast (in Italian) https://www.la7.it/otto-e-mezzo/rivedila7/guerra-in-ucraina-parla-il-governo-di-kiev-otto-e-mezzo-14032022-14-03-2022-428811?fbclid=IwAR0Z8FEMCCdmpVXhf_cxMSVWCuX7dmL-mL1Ouo6b7-rQG63VAQ3Z5jhh4Rk
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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progaardvark
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Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 53465 |
Posted: March 15 2022 at 14:43 |
Really BIG flaws if you ask me, basing it all on a hugely flawed pro-Russian map. Even the Ukrainian cities are written in their Russian spellings. How do you miss these things?
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omphaloskepsis
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Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6878 |
Posted: March 15 2022 at 11:38 |
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America will lose dollar as Reserve Currency because of American War hysteria and Russian Sanctions.
The member states of the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) and China will develop a project for an independent international monetary and financial system. This was agreed upon by the participants in the economic dialogue “A New Stage of Monetary, Financial and Economic Cooperation between the EAEU and the PRC. Global Transformations: Challenges and Solutions”, which was held on March 11 via videoconference. It is envisaged that the system will be based on a new international currency, which will be calculated as an index of the national currencies of the participating countries and commodity prices. The first draft will be submitted for discussion by the end of March. As Sergei Glazyev, Minister for Integration and Macroeconomics of the EEC, emphasized, China was the first in the world to move to the stage of national economic recovery. The background here is bigger. This was noted by Godfree Roberts: In two weeks, China, Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan will reveal a new, independent, international monetary and financial system. It will be based on a new international currency, calculated from an index of national currencies of the participating countries and international commodity prices. Russia and China will also reveal their Unfriendly Nation Lists. Early today. Russia signed deal with India. Russia will sell India all the oil/gas it needs. All deals will be done in Rubles and Rupees. Who loses? American and European middle class and poor. If Dollar is replaced, then years of record inflation is guaranteed. Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 15 2022 at 11:48 |
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10732 |
Posted: March 15 2022 at 07:12 |
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Russian journalist Alexey Kovalyov answers questions about what putin's government is doing to his own people.
https://www.vox.com/22967223/ukraine-russia-war-putin-propaganda-reallity |
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
Posted: March 15 2022 at 05:35 |
Edited by SteveG - March 15 2022 at 05:36 |
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omphaloskepsis
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6878 |
Posted: March 15 2022 at 04:31 |
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Map above. The Red Areas are controlled by Russia. However, most large cities in Red Area remain under Ukrainian control.
The striped areas are areas where Russia in facing resistance, yet making progress. The blue oval in the East is controlled by Ukraine (mainly the Azov Battalion "40,000-60,000 Ukraine soldiers.). All grey areas are controlled by Ukraine (except for Crimea). Currently Russia maintains air superiority over the entire country.
Russia has not moved soldiers into Western Ukraine. Russia might not want to. If you look carefully at Eastern Ukraine. The Russians are forming cauldrons in the Donbas (Blue oval), and a larger Cauldron, pinching together the South and North. Russia feels it can cripple the Ukraine military if the Azov Battalion in the East is cutoff and defeated. Russia also wants to link the East and West on the South coastline near the country of Moldova. Russian City Strategy? The Russians surround major cities. Allow civilians and (soldiers who surrender weapons) to leave via humanitarian corridors. However the Russians do not allow supplies into the cities. I guess you would call this a siege strategy. Most the major cities in the East Ukraine are surrounded. However, the cauldron has NOT closed yet around Kiev. Russians move in toward a city. Once, they meet resistance, the Russian back off and hunker down in siege Warfare. The Russians bypass some cities all together. For example, the Russian have not engaged Odessa (on Southwest coastline of Black Sea, above Crimea). Russia ties up valuable Ukrainian military in Odessa. Although, Russia has not moved soldiers into Western Ukraine, the Ukraine army must keep large caches of weapons and manpower there. If foreign soldiers or jets and weapons are moved into Western Ukraine, the Russians plan to conduct missile attacks and air sorties. The missile attack on an airbase near Lviv was such an attack. I'm sure my analyses and the Map has flaws. This is how I see the Russian/Ukraine military situation at present. Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 15 2022 at 05:12 |
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omphaloskepsis
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6878 |
Posted: March 15 2022 at 04:23 |
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Mirakaze
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Eclectic, JRF/Canterbury, Avant/Zeuhl Joined: December 17 2019 Location: (redacted) Status: Offline Points: 4276 |
Posted: March 15 2022 at 02:59 |
This was never in doubt; however, I have some, perhaps naďve, hope that this crisis might prove to be somewhat of a turning point in the EU's immigration policy. Not only will a lot of people in Europe have a different perception of war refugees now that they know that white European countries are just as susceptible to a humanitarian crisis, but more significantly: the same countries (Poland, Hungary, Slovakia etc.) that always vetoed a collective EU refugee distribution and sheltering policy, content as they were with refugees wasting away in camps on the Greek isles and elsewhere, are now bearing the lion's share of Ukrainian refugees and might therefore be more amenable to such policies now.
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MortSahlFan
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Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3144 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 12:15 |
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This was released 6 years ago, so this will be extra interesting to see. |
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https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition
https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
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Easy Money
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10732 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 12:06 |
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More news about Russian people leaving Russia due to fears about their government:
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MortSahlFan
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3144 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 11:59 |
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I didn't read every post (yet), but I liked the mention of Roger Waters' "Amused To Death" -- great work. Ahead of its time, forever lasting relevance, just like everything else he's written. “I am disgusted by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, it is a criminal mistake
in my opinion, the act of a gangster, there must be an immediate
ceasefire,” -Roger Waters I wish there was less cheer-leading in general, because things aren't so clear-and-cut. I'd recommend everyone reading/watching/listening to as many different sources as possible. Try to put yourself in everyone's shoes. It's the people who are always the victims, not the politicians. I wish they aren't being used as human shields to participate in this proxy war, because there's no way Ukraine can defeat Russia, and Zelensky knows this, and should have made a deal. Signing a document, saying they will not joining NATO for 10 years, something. The cost is too much - human life. Thousands. And the danger of escalation. The average man in Russia lives to 71. Putin is 70. He's cornered and isolated. He might be thinking he has nothing to lose, and might be thinking, "I might as well go with a bang" and has nothing off the table?
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https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
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omphaloskepsis
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6878 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 11:58 |
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An alleged Ukrainian Foreign Legion member says he's packing his bags after a Russian airstrike saw 35 troops killed on the base housing foreign fighters. He claims the Ukrainians refused to give them weapons, even with rumors of Russians outside the base. Video aftermath footage included in link. https://valiantnews.com/2022/03/ukrainian-foreign-legion-fighter-allegedly-bails-after-air-strike-no-one-wants-to-die-in-an-unfair-fight/
My take? I think Russia wishes to discourage foreign volunteers/mercenary's from fighting for the Ukrainians. I believe the Russians will let Ukrainian's go... if they give up their weapons. Why waste Russian personnel on guarding Ukrainian prisoners, when you can let them go? However, I believe Russians will not be merciful to foreign volunteers/mercenary's. Foreigners caught fighting for the Ukraine side will be dealt with harshly. Humanitarian corridors? The Russians will not attack the humanitarian corridors. Why? 1. Russians want civilians to escape from the fighting. a. Less people for Russian Army to deal with b. Less chance of massive civilian death toll which brings bad World PR to Russian army. 2. Russians wants Ukrainian soldiers to take advantage of humanitarian corridors, so the Ukraine soldiers can sneak out of Ukraine. The humanitarian Corridors worked for the Russians in Syria in the exact same way. 3. If the Russians attacked the humanitarian Corridors, then the civilians and soldiers would be afraid to use the Corridors as an escape route. Attacking humanitarian corridors would work against Russian Strategy. American military volunteer gets raw deal in Ukraine. Flees and barely makes it out of the country. Tells his story on this Twitter video... https://twitter.com/i/status/1503737123261800452 Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 15 2022 at 11:29 |
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Easy Money
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10732 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 11:32 |
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I don't see how being a former comedian is any way to discredit Zelensky. That seems preferable to being a former KGB agent when it comes to past occupations.
Edited by Easy Money - March 14 2022 at 11:34 |
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jamesbaldwin
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 11:27 |
Perhaps Zelenskij will be removed, or will decide to go and enjoy his assets abroad. Hard to say now what will become of him. Until 3 years ago he was just a comedian. After this disaster I am more worried about what Ukraine will be and also about what could happen to Russia after Putin: it could disintegrate in a lot of wars of secession. What do you mean with "Nato leaders"?
Edited by jamesbaldwin - March 14 2022 at 11:27 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10732 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 11:19 |
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Not only Finland, but Turkey is also seeing the arrival of Russian dissidents:
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Easy Money
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10732 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 11:17 |
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Russians leaving Russia because they fear martial law for Russians may be next as putin cracks down on protestors:
Edited by Easy Money - March 14 2022 at 19:04 |
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10732 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 10:52 |
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Re Steve G: Yes, a big part of this invasion probably has to do with Zelensky not being a putin puppet, and poison is usually putin's way of dealing with those who don't agree with him.
Edited by Easy Money - March 14 2022 at 10:53 |
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omphaloskepsis
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Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6878 |
Posted: March 14 2022 at 10:51 |
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[/QUOTE] I concur. However, I doubt Russia will allow Zelenskyy to continue as Ukraine's leader. Rumors swirl that America is preparing Zelenskyy to rule Ukraine in Exile. Zelenskyy owns a Florida mansion. You may be right about Putin and Zelenskyy. I'm probably projecting what I would do.
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