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So... it's appropriate enough to stay then?

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I agree, very close minded and biased review.
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I have problems with this review:

LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT — Liquid Tension Experiment 2
Review by jasusgabrielbrea

2 stars I hate prog metal. It's neither because some people believe it's the new devil in music nor for the aggressiveness it suggests. It's rather because I see it as a degeneration of progressive music (in my humble opinion and surely the opinion of many classically trained musicians).

Yes, I know I shouldn't just give out these sentences without something else to substain them (I will get to the actual review later on), so here comes the argument: for works like this!. I used to like Dream Theater when I was younger but I just find their music dull by now; their focus is to try progressive music to sound "COOL" and "HIP" to the generations of metalheads who praise Metallica for whatever the reason is; academic music is not meant to be COOL (be it classical or jazz); that's why they're heard on separate stations from the popular ones, and I wonder why bands like Dream Theater or Stratovarius are not aired much on radio, because I hear too much MTV material there. The only thing good about these "prog-metal" bands is that they induce people to listen to more challenging music (at least sometimes), although I know many people who are not into progressive music that like them along the likes of power metal and even death-metal, so it's not 100% guaranteed that it'll improve the musical taste of youth. I know I sound like George Starostin but I have no other choice but to show my dislike this way.

Now, to the actual review. I liked Experiment 1 a bit more (their previous album), because they actually managed to make some decent progressive metal with less noise or distorted bar chords, the guitar actually harmonized more; whilst it still didn't merit a 4-star rating.

And the musicianship of the individual members can't be questioned: Petrucci is very accurate (although sometimes he sound like a generic Yngwie Malmsteen wannabe, only improved); Tony Levin is known as the best session bass and stick player in rock and pop music (because he's one of the few bassists in the rock industry able to play with his bare hands instead of a pick); Jordan Rudess is an incredibly talented keyboard player in the vein of Rick Wakeman and.... well, Mike Portnoy is good, but he's no Buddy Rich, and although he's very coordinated in the bass drums, sometimes I wonder if he's playing the drums with drumsticks or with baseball bats; I mean, the guy rarely varies in intensity and he uses the bass drums way too much, but he's very talented, and no one can deny that (despite his ridiculous rocker attitude).

Apart from the individual virtuosity, not much could be said about the music: generic metal riffs accompanied with degrading improvisations (Another Dimension and Chewbacca come to mind, respectively), and, even though the overall compositions are very creative, it's still louder than thou metal; they wanted to sound "cooler" in this one and thank God they didn't go on (we still have Dream Theater though).

I can't deny there are actually good numbers here: Biaxident has a very nice latin- flavoured bridge with Santana-esque guitar licks and great keyboard feeds courtesy of Mr. Rudess; Liquid Dreams are a good way to escape from the horrible loud drums and the annoying loud bar chords, but it drags a bit in the second half, leaving us with Jordan showing his talent on keys but not much more; and Hourglass is a simple instrumental ballad with acoustic guitar (the only acoustic guitar-based song on the entire Liquid Tension short catalog), but it's not as annoying as the rest of the stuff here.

This goes to show I'm not a fan of progressive metal, but at least I consider the good aspects off it. And this is actually some of the best metal I've heard, which doesn't say much about the rest; so that's why it's my first and only prog metal review so far; it's actually worth analyzing. 2 plain stars.

The first two paragraphs do nothing but lambast prog metal, the second sentance of which is nothing but a lie (does this guy realise that a lot of prog-metal is played by classically trained musicians?). If he doesnt like the album thats fine, but I dont like him using a review to bad mouth a genre here on the front page.






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IRON MAIDEN — Iron Maiden
Review by G_Bone (Graeme)
From a progressive standpoint, this album would rank pretty low. But I'm going to rate it as music, not necessarily prog.

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I'm getting pretty fed up of people who use the review system as a kind of cheap "rate your music" instead of adhering to the spirit of this site - and bothering to read our guidelines.

This is, of course, one of oh so many - but in this case, the reviewer blatantly spells out his intention to not bother following them.

Is this a Progressive music site or not?

    

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Originally posted by billbuckner billbuckner wrote:

PINK FLOYD — Dark Side Of The Moon
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3 stars Not sure what the point is of reviewing one of the most famous albums of all time but perhaps I feel a need to balance all the superlatives and praise heaped on this album with an alternative viewpoint.

I’ve been buying music for over forty years and was into Pink Floyd right from the early days. By the time DSOTM came out I was a student and very much into the prog scene with bands like Genesis, Yes, Van der Graaf Generator and King Crimson among my favourites plus, of course, Pink Floyd who for me reached their zenith with “Echoes” on the “Meddle” album. With the possible exception of “Shine on ….” they have done nothing to match it since.

In fact DSOTM was the first Floyd album that I didn’t buy. This was no crass desire to be different just because it was so popular because I knew disliked it before I knew how popular it was to become. My room-mate bought a copy as soon as it was released and played it frequently. I sat down to listen to it with him the first time with great expectations and as the album progressed I became more and more disappointed. The problem being that it just seemed to be a collection of middle of the road songs with mass market appeal, hence the popularity. A great move forward for them financially but a backward step musically. David Gilmour has said that he was “falling out of love” with the sound collages they had been doing prior to DSOTM – well I wasn’t and still haven’t.

I have several newer Floyd albums but still don’t have proper copy of DSOTM, the nearest being the live album “Pulse” which is pretty good and includes the whole of DSOTM on disc 2 but I play disc 1 mostly.

I don’t propose to describe the tracks, you know them, but if you’re into essentially conventional lyrical songs but with rather more about them than you’re average chart hit then this album will satisfy you as all tracks (apart from “on the run”) pretty much fit this description. It’s pleasant enough but, for me, does not rise above that level.


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Nice story. Pity that there's next to nothing about the actual music.




 
you are right it doesn't adress the music really, but i don't think it's really a problem, no problemo for me, I tend to agree with him that it's a collection of middle of the road songs, which does say something of the music.
 
I think it's a valid review, though he says he doesn't describe the tracks because the reader knows them is slightly for the wrong audience, for people who know the album have no use for a review.
 
people who don't know the album will realise that this is a more popular release than previous albums.
 
at least this review explains his three star rating.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angelo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 13:43
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

This thread is for discussing reviews. There's no rules for this thread, you can talk about good reviews, bad reviews, reviews which have been reported in the Reviews reporting thread etc.
 
The reviews reporting thread is intended to be a simple thread where people can report a review they feel is "inappropriate". Posts in that thread will be acknowledged by the admin team from time to time, but it is not intended that any discussion will take place there. (In the interest of fair play, the reviewer as the right to post a defence there).
 
What we (Guigo and I) are trying to do is keep the reviews reporting thread clean and focused. The previous "inappropriate reviews" thread tended to go off on tangents, and sometimes reported reviews got missed among the discussion.
 
The first post in each of the threads has the details.Wink


Just an idea, to avoid confusion like Peter's: I think, but I'm not sure, that the Web Wiz Forums software that is run to create this forum supports automatic addition of the word 'Moved' pr something similar to any posts moved. If not, never mind, otherwise, it could be useful here...
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Posted edited "Song for America" Review by KANsaS

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This thread is for discussing reviews. There's no rules for this thread, you can talk about good reviews, bad reviews, reviews which have been reported in the Reviews reporting thread etc.
 
The reviews reporting thread is intended to be a simple thread where people can report a review they feel is "inappropriate". Posts in that thread will be acknowledged by the admin team from time to time, but it is not intended that any discussion will take place there. (In the interest of fair play, the reviewer as the right to post a defence there).
 
What we (Guigo and I) are trying to do is keep the reviews reporting thread clean and focused. The previous "inappropriate reviews" thread tended to go off on tangents, and sometimes reported reviews got missed among the discussion.
 
The first post in each of the threads has the details.Wink
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Oops! I just noticed that...sorry Pete!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Peter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 15:32
^ See? Tardis seems to have posted in the "wrong" reviews thread too! (He's quoting my post from the other thread. Is this a technical glitch?)Confused
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Peter, this review has much less than 50 words or 200 characters, it did not go to the PA homepage and doesn't appear in the album page. It counts as a rating-without-review.Smile
 
EDIT: Anyway, this thread split is new. One for the inappropriate reviews and the other to discuss the content (or not) of some reviews. With time, I guess that people will be used to both.


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ConfusedThis is a bit confusing Easy: is this the appropriate thread for reporting questionable reviews? Your first post seems to indicate it is not, but it's now being used that way, nonetheless.
 
(So I'm sorry if I posted/responded in the wrong thread. I have now also posted my prior post in the other reviews thread. Perhaps this thread needs a new title -- something like "Review Writing.") Ermm
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Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

 
Really, why bother to review an album if you truly think you have nothing new to add to what's already been written?Confused
 
 
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5 stars What more needs to be added? This is an essential part of the Genesis canon.


Agreed. It's lazy and extremely unhelpful. I'm interested in getting the listener's original perspective on an album!
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

RADIOHEAD — Hail to the thief
Review by EMinkovitch (Eliott Minkovitch)
I was curious, so I gave it a spin. I got exactly what I expected - this stuff is totally devoid of any creativity, imagination or songwriting talent. Absolute zero in emotional content as well - it's all flat, boring, grey and whiny. Sounds like soundtrack music to a coma. That pretty much sums up this album, as it does hundreds of other "alternative" rubbish all over the radio these days.

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=33970
 
 
Ermm Actually, I thought that one fell (just) within the bounds of an acceptable review. It describes the music in a vivid (if highly scathing) manner, and Minkovitch's  rating is justified by his saying that the album completely lacks "creativity, imagination, songwriting talent and emotional content."
 
Negative reviews can be useful, and are normally among the most concise -- or even humourous. (I have written one or two similar reviews in my time -- see Renaissance "Camera Camera.") I think that even a fan of "alternative" music (and/or Radiohead) can get a feel of what this disk sounds like, from this review.
 
 
It's a tough call, but I wouldn't have cut this one. What are his other reviews like? 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 11:18
Not so much censored Angelo, I just don't like giving such reviews ongoing publicity once they have been dealt with.Wink
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angelo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 07:06
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=93566
 
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It shouldn't even be in the forums,that constitutes illegal activity.
    


Figured that, I even got censored by Bob when quoting the review...Wink
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

This one wins the prize for the worst spelling ever (e.g. "Masterpiece! that is a word you culd yuse to describe this 70's classis"

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=89876

Also an almost total lack of punctuation makes it even harder to read.

 
Priceless!!! A challenging reading though... Kind of semi-phonetical style...
 
Seriously, though, why not to check a review before posting? Some misspellings might be avoided...
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This one wins the prize for the worst spelling ever (e.g. "Masterpiece! that is a word you culd yuse to describe this 70's classis"

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=89876

Also an almost total lack of punctuation makes it even harder to read.

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As you'll see from the wording, it says 75 words recommended.
 
There has been no change to the parameters for checking review length (which is actually 200 characters), and no current proposal to do so.
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