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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 08:25
In Norway we say Nederland 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 08:14
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

In Germany "Holland" is used a lot too, even more than "The Netherlands". There was a well-known series of tv-ads for a certain cheese in the 70s and 80s which had the slogan "Frau Antje bringt Käse aus Holland" ("Miss Antje brings cheese from Holland").
 
I remember Frau Antje indeed. And the most famous Dutch cheese comes from Holland (the western part of the Netherlands. On the image, Holland is colored orange). The name "Antje" is used mostly in Friesland, the leftmost of the two northernmost provinces outside Holland - and in Germany.
 
By the way, as far as I'm informed, refugee's information about the word Dutch is correct.
 
Holland and the Netherlands


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 07:59
The word Dutch comes from the proto-Germanic word *þiudiskaz, and became Duutsc in Middle Dutch, which later gave the two early modern Dutch forms, Duits in the County of Holland and the Duchy of Brabant, and Diets in the County of Flanders.[11] Duits has taken on the meaning of "German" and Diets meaning "Dutch" (along with "Nederlands") but no longer in general use (see the Diets article), dropped for its Nazi-era overtones. German Deutsch meaning "German" has the same origin.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 07:46
It's from Middle Dutch and the word was Duutsch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 07:36
You mean that Dutch is also a German word? It’s not in my dictionary, but you may be right, of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 07:29
Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

Deutsch means German, not Dutch.

Rooting for Denmark today.

Dutch was the word given for Western German speakers. I know obviously that Deutsch is German. God.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 07:24
Deutsch means German, not Dutch.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 06:58
^And Dutch means German.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 06:50
In Germany "Holland" is used a lot too, even more than "The Netherlands". There was a well-known series of tv-ads for a certain cheese in the 70s and 80s which had the slogan "Frau Antje bringt Käse aus Holland" ("Miss Antje brings cheese from Holland").


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 06:38
^I had no idea it wasn't just the British that called it Holland.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 06:37
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

There is one small chance that the Netherlands advance to the next round if Germany wins: Germany should beat Denmark while the Netherlands make picado of Portugal.

Hm, I actually believe Denmark is the most underrated team in the championships. I was not surprised at all that they won their first match against Portugal; i had actually tipped on their victory in the little betting game we do in our family.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 06:36
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^Interesting that you call your country Holland too. Holland isn't a country but an area of The Netherlands surely?


Yes, that's true.
In Dutch, which I usually speak in both the Netherlands and Belgium, I do call my country "Nederland", never Holland.
But on the internet I suppose I just followed the habit of other people, and it's shorter.
Maybe it would be different if I wasn't from the Holland part in the Netherlands, but I come from Rotterdam in the province of South-Holland.
I suppose it could be a bit different if I was from one of the other provinces like Friesland, Overijssel etc.
I do think it has a different feel than in Great-Britain, if someone would say England when he means the whole of Great-Britain, which I think would offend the Welshmen, the Scots and the Northern-Irish folk.
I have the feeling that a Dutchman would easier say Holland, even if he's not technically from the Holland part of the country.

 
I had no idea! In Denmark, The Netherlands are always refered to as Holland.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 06:29
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^Interesting that you call your country Holland too. Holland isn't a country but an area of The Netherlands surely?


Yes, that's true.
In Dutch, which I usually speak in both the Netherlands and Belgium, I do call my country "Nederland", never Holland.
But on the internet I suppose I just followed the habit of other people, and it's shorter.
Maybe it would be different if I wasn't from the Holland part in the Netherlands, but I come from Rotterdam in the province of South-Holland.
I suppose it could be a bit different if I was from one of the other provinces like Friesland, Overijssel etc.
I do think it has a different feel than in Great-Britain, if someone would say England when he means the whole of Great-Britain, which I think would offend the Welshmen, the Scots and the Northern-Irish folk.
I have the feeling that a Dutchman would easier say Holland, even if he's not technically from the Holland part of the country.


I'm always trying to dissuade people from calling it Holland but when TV stations and papers call it Holland too, I am definitely on a hiding to nothing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 06:26
There is one small chance that the Netherlands advance to the next round if Germany wins: Germany should beat Denmark while the Netherlands make picado of Portugal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 06:10
I'm backing the Germans, of course, but it will be a tough match, especially since the Netherlands need to win to advance to the next round.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 05:58
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^Interesting that you call your country Holland too. Holland isn't a country but an area of The Netherlands surely?


Yes, that's true.
In Dutch, which I usually speak in both the Netherlands and Belgium, I do call my country "Nederland", never Holland.
But on the internet I suppose I just followed the habit of other people, and it's shorter.
Maybe it would be different if I wasn't from the Holland part in the Netherlands, but I come from Rotterdam in the province of South-Holland.
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I do think it has a different feel than in Great-Britain, if someone would say England when he means the whole of Great-Britain, which I think would offend the Welshmen, the Scots and the Northern-Irish folk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 05:23
^Interesting that you call your country Holland too. Holland isn't a country but an area of The Netherlands surely?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 05:00
Tonight Holland - Germany.
I'm excited, and scared at the same time for my favored team (Netherlands, my country of birth)
Last time both teams met (November 2011 for a friendly match) Germany made minced meat out of the Netherlands, but in general they are even in wins and losses.
I have a lot of sympathy for the German team but not tonight LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 04:43
^Yeah, Greece is through if they beat Russia, I think. Let’s say that Greece wins 1-0 (not very likely but still possible) and Czech Rep. and Poland plays a draw. Poland is out with only three points. Head to head Czech will be ahead of Greece, Greece will be ahead of Russia … and Russia will be ahead of Czech. Then the overall score will decide, right? Then Russia will win the group with Greece as the runner-up.

Still I think the elections on Sunday are more important for the Greek people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 04:06
Didn´t see the game, but nothing is settled in this group yet and the Greeks still have a chance. While the Russians are certainly a well playing side, I think they showed a couple of weaknesses against Poland. If Greece can score the first goal in the match they may be able to defend the win home.
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