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Rick Robson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
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^Interesting, would you give more details about this reading? Anyways it's obvious that a composer with a sharper memory doesn't need to be machine programed with that 'sensitive' The Emily Howell algorithm in order to compose something new. And I bet to see when these sorts of programs can make "she" capable of feel anger, love, nostalgia, anguish, sadness joy etc., music is all about this man.
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![]() "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
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The Sloth ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 05 2013 Status: Offline Points: 115 |
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Have you read Computer Models of Musical Creativity? Just out of curiosity. They say "she" has her own style in the article I read. Music is created out of experience, ability, memory, and the climate of the creator's life at the time of the creation. It's just interesting to think of a composer with a sharper memory, or the ability to weed out music that is recycled unknowingly by humans all the time, for example.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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The program does not "have ideas", it is not sentient, it is not intelligent and it is not creative. It is an algorithm that follows a complex set of rules.
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The Sloth ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 05 2013 Status: Offline Points: 115 |
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The Emily Howell program is very interesting. I hadn't heard of this. It's naturally unsettling for living things to hear that a machine can be made to have its own ideas. People learn, work, make plans, know they're going to die...and a machine is born with an encyclopedic knowledge of all music, and will never have to wait for the moment of inspiration? Sure, that can make a guy feel completely useless.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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If Dean writes notes to a sci-fi sex manual I'll queue up in the pouring rain for him to sign my copy |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18459 |
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The point I wanted to make was that it didn't matter if we cloned or not ... we're too silly to know the difference and appreciate anything anyway, without the commercial bruhaha, or the PA bruhaha .... which is just like saying that we will never know, understand or even appreciate anything that clones anything because it is automatically "cold" and a "machine", and sex is not likely to be fun unlike some of the sci-fi books have told us! And Dean will add the professorial notes to the article! Edited by moshkito - February 27 2015 at 11:59 |
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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Thank you for this story!
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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Very educational and a very interesting viewpoint.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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^Wow.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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The 'Emily Howell' algorithm follows a set of adaptive rules, albeit very complex style and composition rules. This is no different to Wakeman playing nursery rhymes in the style of Mozart or Ravell.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18459 |
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Hi, There is something on this thread that you folks got to take a look at. In Califfornia, in one of the Universities there was a major project that create something called "Emily". She was a magnificant musician and could do all styles and show off her versatility and one day she put out a couple of CD's that a lot of people bought to the excitement of the university, of course! She could, easily, compose just like Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Beethoven ... and everyone liked her work. One day, she was asked to do a concert and they set her up and she was on stage beautifully dressed when the audience came in and in the introduction, they were told that Emily would play new works in the manner of any composer they wanted. Half the audience walked out! They were the same hippocrits that also liked her music before! The other half was amazed at how well she could clone the originals ... but that it did not help further the music development. Emily is still there ... kinda frozen in time, putting together a few pieces here and there, but some folks that "like the style" don't like her "style" which is as original as can be without being a copy! So, if you EVER, want to deal with this, go listen and study Emily a little. She's not a fine woman for you to sleep with, but she does have really good vibes and pipes! Unffortunately, you might think that she's a bit too rigid and not fun, albeit a bit electric! |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B3J_Alj7IUIf you watch the vid beginning around 3:17, Wakeman discusses how everything falls into place naturally. In point , this is a better way of creating original music rather than focusing on what can be cloned.
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTvZ6ZqOhyoThis is something that can't be cloned. The natural reaction between an audience and a band.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Stop being a Richard.
p.s. I apologize to the forum moderators because I called Svetonnio a Rochard and also to the forum members who are called Richard, but It was stronger than me.
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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ONE OF THESE DAYS & Thee Heavy Random Tone Colour Lab The word or instructions for taking opium on a roof Live at Sala Mardigras (8th November 2013) From the album A Peaceful Nacht In Hell (2013) p.s. I apologize to the forum moderators because I posted the embedded vids and also to the forum members who can not watch these vids, but It was stronger than me. Edited by Svetonio - February 27 2015 at 01:36 |
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13338 |
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For a blues snob, you seem rather light in the blues history department. The history of blues composition is a history of cannibalism. Because of lax copyright laws from the 20s to the 60s, songs were retitled, lyrics were reworked or whole songs were simply taken by competing blues players. Are you aware how many times "House of the Rising Sun" had been played by the time The Animals got a hit out of it? I personally have versions by Georgia Turner, Ledbelly, Woody Guthrie and Nina Simone (and Frijid Pink as well!), and that is just the tip of the iceberg for a song that's been around since the 19th century. One of B.B. King's standards "Everyday I Have the Blues" was borrowed from Elmore James who got it from Memphis Slim. The song "Baby Please Don't Go" went through Big Joe Williams, Big Bill Broonzy, Lightnin' Hopkins and Muddy Waters before Van Morrison and Them made it a hit in the 60s. And before Eric Clapton and Duane Allman jammed to "Key to the Hghway" there was the prime example of blues theft. Charlie Segar originally penned 'Key to the Highway', but Big Bill Broonzy somehow got credited along with Segar for writing the song, because, as Broonzy put it, "Some of the verses he [Segar] was singing" were the same as Broonzy had sung in the south. Broonzy then made the ultimate comment about blues music: "You take one song and make fifty out of it...just change it a little bit." The only reason we talk about Page and Zeppelin's court settlement with Willie Dixon is that blues had become big money at last and copyright laws were tougher by the 60s and 70s. Before that, no one gave a damn who played what song because no one made a dime. So, claiming Clapton was a rip-off is naïve in extremis. Actually, it was par for the course from the very beginning of blues.
Look, just because Hound Dog played Tescos and Silvertones doesn't make him the prime blues guitarist. The man who Hound Dog looked up to and was most influenced by, Elmore James, played National and Kay guitars (not cheap Sears models by any means). Muddy Waters played a Gibson L-5 and Telecasters. B.B. King played Gibsons. Albert Collins played Telecasters. Albert King was famous for his Gibson flying V's. John Lee Hooker was an Epiphone man. No one wanted to play crappy guitars, and if they did, they bought better ones immediately when they could afford them (like every guitarist that wasn't born rich, including yours truly). |
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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How about a video to go w/it.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Well, there was a prime example of the world's most pointless waste of thread-space. Just a link would have done.
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Svetonio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
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Of Things That Never Were The Worm Ouroboros Eclectic Prog ![]() Review by Sagichim ![]() But this is only part of the deal here. The Worm Ouroboros are a new band coming from Minsk Belarus, but they were playing since 2006 so they are not so new in playing together. One thing is for sure these guys have absorbed a lot of influences from the 70's prog scene, I think you'll be happy to find out there's a massive influence from the Canterbury scene/Prog Folk and symphonic prog, where I'm most reminded of Caravan, Camel and the playfulness of Moving Gelatine Plates. There's also some psychedelic overtones, nothing's too trippy but it is still there hovering above. Funk or should I say groove is another style that found its way into the mix, these guys can definitely swing when they need to. This meal wouldn't be perfect without a desert so this time the band is serving Zehul! Now I sure didn't see this coming! For those of you who doesn't like the classic Zehul shouldn't have any trouble with this, since it is still melodic and quite grooving. I can't say this album heavily rocks, it's not the point here, but I sure do love when they get that itch! As part of their intricate arrangements, they do feel the need of a rocking outburst every now and then, which gives another dimention to this wonderful band. The album is centered around the quality interplay and song writing of Sergey Gvozdyukevich (vocals, keyboards, acoustic guitars, flute) and Vladimir Sobolevsky (electric and acoustic guitars). They are backed by the fantastic Alexey Zapolsky (bass) and Eugene Zarkhin (drums). The final touch of Vitaly Appow (reeds) completes the picture and adding a lot of depth to the arrangements, complementing everyone's playing. There isn't any prog from the weird zone (at least for those of you who knows weird bands), Worm is focusing on beautiful melodies using a rich sound, nothing's sacchrine, not at all. There isn't any unique instrumentation, we've heard all of that already but for some reason it doesn't sound like your ordinary and plain 'ol flute, acoustic guitar and keys thing. The level of songwriting and simplicity takes those few notes to a higher level, it just works! the connection and interplay between the musicians is fabulous, I can easily put them into the 'I stunned you with 4 notes' club. "L'Impasse Sainte Bérégonne" starts this journey with a weird and disturbing atmosphere. A huge bass and flute leads the way as it gets more intense and breaks with an excellent guitar solo, check out that fierce flute towards the end, that would make Ian Anderson think "why didn't I think of that?". The next "Shelieth" is totally different and shows what a brilliant musician Sergey Gvozdyukevich is, using all kinds of warm delicate keyboard sounds, he's very eclectic in his playing and in his sound choices, so this one sounds very diverse and refreshing, accompanied by a restrained but effective guitar playing. Man that melody in the closing part is simply gorgeous!!! and is weaved into the song so cleverly. The band are including here a few short Folky instrumental interludes between the main songs, needless to say that every one of them is stunning in its own special way. I have to say this time it doesn't sound detached at all, on the contrary, it only adds to the overall feel of the album. My favourite one is "The Magi" with of course a beautiful acoustic guitar and flute, but what impresses me most here is the heavily accented vocals, so melodic, I love how he sings this one. "The Pear-Shaped Man" and my special favourite "Pirates in Pingaree" shows their outstanding song writing ideas. It doesn't matter where the song is heading they can easily turn you over with an amazing simple melody that would make you wanna weep in joyous happiness (Pirates in Pingaree). "Soleil Noir" is calmer and focusing on vocals but it sure does gets much more intense towards the end, fabulous. "The Curfew" is the main surprise here although it is quite different harbouring pure Zehul elements it doesn't sound too far off at all but still keeping the line of the album, it only goes to show how brilliant and sophisticated this band really is. The deep bass and dark zehulic vocals lead the way here sounding like Weidorje, but not too long when they suddenly go funky! Oh yeah! "Return To The Cold Sea Of Nothing" is the final 10 minute epic, continuing the high level of playing by all members. This is absolutely one of the most thrilling and promising modern albums I've come to hear, I think you'll find it a very easy and captivating listen. Definitely deserves the fifth star, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, DON'T MISS OUT ON THIS ONE! Edited by Svetonio - February 26 2015 at 23:24 |
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