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^ I think we can safely assume that the "Classic album of Progressive Rock" as implied by the OP and by virtue that this thread is in a Prog lounge of a Prog forum that we are not necessarily confined to just talking about Prog albums that are also seen as "classic rock albums" in general.
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Besides the foolish construction "Instant Classic" witch is totaly absurd, the hole idear of classic albums i very subjective. Is Close to the Edge a classic album ?, to those people who like Yes - sure, to most people who like prog - ya, but if you hit the street and stop people, ask them if  "Close to the Edge" is a classic rock album, im sure you will most often get a "what".
So basicly my answer would be, as a rock album - no !
There is not that many prog albums, that is "classic rock albums" in the general opinion. And most of them is by Pink Floyd.
 
     
 
 

Edited by tamijo - May 07 2015 at 05:14
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

I first bought and listened to Close to the Edge around 1990.  Was it a classic album when I first acquired it?
This raises an interesting point. 1990 was pretty much the nadir of Progressive Rock's popularity so it is unlikely that anyone at that time would have called it a classic album, in fact Prog was so unpopular that few, if any, Prog albums would have been regarded as classic albums in the same breath as Led Zepp IV or Fleetwood Mac's Rumours. Back then Progressive Rock really was a dirty word, as Wakeman once joked - old Yes albums were sold under the counter in brown-paper bags to avoid embarrassment. 

70s artists who had survived the 80s (Yes, Genesis, Crimson, Floyd, Rush) did so by not being Prog and their earlier back-catalogues were kinda overlooked or ignored. Floyd got a free-pass for Dark Side and The Wall because they were not seen as being Progressive Rock albums per se due to their wider general appeal ... something that struck me as strange when I first de-lurked on the PA forum was how many people still regarded Floyd as not a Prog band on the strength of these albums alone but accepted Genesis and Rush (and to some extent Yes) despite their later success as 'mainstream' bands.

Some Prog albums may have been seen as classic albums between the mid 70s and mid 80s but I don't recall that they were. Highly regarded in their own time certainly but probably not viewed as classics.




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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

An example of an insant classic  album in progressive fusion genre; that's a debut album released, at 20 April 2015 at MoonJune Records, by Barcelona's duo called Xadu, i.e. Xavi Reja (already in Prog Archives due to my suggestion) on drums and Dušan Jevtović on guitar Tongue 
 
If by "classic" you mean two unemployed college kids in their mom's living room noodling around with the foot pedals and snares they got for Christmas, then yeah, this is certainly a classic.
Leonardo Pavkovic's MoonJune Records today is what Manfred Eicher's ECM was in the second half 70s and especially in 80s. Not in that specific style and the atmosphere, but in the open-mindedness and producing great albums of virtually unknow artists with fresh ideas, and yet pretty uncommercial at first listen. Almost all ECM eighties albums were 'instant classic' albums in a short time, and now they are 'real classics' without a question.
If you do prefer an example of an album that was regarding as an instant classic album in a very short time after its releasing date, but in another genre, then London Calling is a perfect example of an instant classic album.
 
Yes, time is needed that something get a classic status, and nobody could deny that, but it could be a very short time, i.e. some albums could be called 'istant classic'. Actually, there's a huge number of examples of that, so there also must be some nice example of instant classic album that would serve even your sublime taste.

p.s. By the way, Leonardo Pavkovic, owner and producer of MoonJune Records, for example right now organizes a tour of Tony Levin and Scott Henderson, he organized entire tours in last 15 years of Allan Holdsworth, Leonardo is just came back from Japan with Soft Machine Legacy... So, your comment about Xadu as "two unemployed college kids in their mom's living room noodling around with the foot pedals and snares they got for Christmas" is, to put it mildly, a nonsense.


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It's always hard to see what will be classic in the future when commenting about the present. I believe it was my stepfather that told me that when interviewed in his youth about a new, upcoming band called The Beatles he had answered that these guys would never become anything much. To state an example.
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Actually I was getting what dean was saying. It didn't seem to me like he was snubbing anything new here. It's just that a lot of modern music hasn't had the chance to become a classic yet, and there are many types of classics that exist.

I would have to say that we should wait and see if what was made changed the landscape of music and had a profound effect on many people. It's hard to consider something a classic if there are only 40-50 fans. But potentially 40 years from now, if it is a classic, there will be many more fans of it?

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Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

I would just add to Svetonio's statement that it's pretty symptomatic that old, grumpy & good-for-nothing "artists", but of a ready tongue, are almost always to be ahead to snub some gorgeous new Prog at internet forums in the discussions like this, and very often they insist on 70s [and other past decades] only in contribution of negation of hard work of the gifted young boys who just released some brilliant albums. 
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I would just add to Svetonio's statement that it's pretty symptomatic that old, grumpy & good-for-nothing "artists", but of a ready tongue, are almost always to be ahead to snub some gorgeous new Prog at internet forums in the discussions like this, and very often they insist on 70s [and other past decades] only in contribution of negation of hard work of the gifted young boys who just released some brilliant albums. 

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As good as The Road Of Bones is, allow me to doubt that it will be considered a classic Prog album within 20 years from now. It is not innovative enough, it is too derivative. Is it so specially different from, let's say, Subterranea?
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Points: 32566 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2015 at 14:29
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

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Points: 13338 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2015 at 13:56
Originally posted by Andy Webb Andy Webb wrote:

Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

instant classic is an oxymoron
 and yet if one want that some albums have to be mythologized that could be called classic, there's nothing that could help then.
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Is that even a sentence?

It is as much a sentence grammatically as was his "instant classic" a classic or instantaneous.LOL

 



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Points: 13298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2015 at 13:53
Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

instant classic is an oxymoron
 and yet if one want that some albums have to be mythologized that could be called classic, there's nothing that could help then.
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That's a jolly fine opinion even if I do say so myself.
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^ Svetonio has duplicate sign-ins. Why else would someone applaud the gibberish that was typed?
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

instant classic is an oxymoron
Yes I agree, it could sound like "wooden iron", though some albums are instant classic, because these albums really no need much time to be recognized by specialists on those genres as great and unique albums and, consequently, instant classic albums, for example Random Abstract Tongue
 
Quote A key advantage of playing complex instrumental music in a trio or quartet is the luxury of having one player free to keep the ball of melody in play while granting the other instrumentalists the freedom to harmonize, play counterpoint or just cut loose. This was the case for Dusan Jevtovic and Xavi Reija when, along with bassist Bernat Hernandez and under Xavi’s name, they recorded 2014’s MoonJune release “Resolution”. Prior to that, though with Marko Djordjevic drumming, Dusan offered up 2013’s “Am I Walking Wrong”. Both of these trio releases pointed the way to a style of composition emphasizing melodic interplay and rhythmic complexity while not sacrificing the improvisatory nature that make the music such a thrilling listen. Now in choosing to work as a two-man configuration called XaDu, Xavi and Dusan must first establish each composition with its intrinsic melodic and rhythmic components, then allow it to partially deconstruct as they explore the vast sonic palette of guitar and drumkit. Dusan’s guitar and pedalwork conjure a soundscape that can range from the introspective and almost ambient/atmospheric to the urgency of careening snow-blind through a maelstrom of sound. Xavi is right in the vortex, coaxing riffs into life, laying chase to Dusan’s frenetic runs with his supremely musical tom work, or just falling away in a wash of cymbals when the wave of energy has crashed on the shore. The reductionist “connect-the-dots” approach to this playing serves to really pull the listener into the mix; whereas Dusan first lays down a “Feelies”-era strummed guitar chord structure on “New Pop”, the responsibility to maintain that sunny day disposition is left to Xavi’s rhythmic interpretation as Dusan ventures into a world of darkening skies through a series of elongated bursts and pedal colorations. Two musicians work together to economically craft a very filmic piece where every sustained and slightly vibrato’d note or chord play to maximum effect with the deep toms and choked cymbals. Math metal jazz and fuzzy fusion. at the highest level, and the overall takeaway here is the great joy of listening to these two very talented players and witnessing their abilities to coax only the very best from each other in XaDu. It is most successful musical pairing indeed
 
 
Well, if someone hate contemporary prog, especially that modern instrumental progressive fusion and / or avant prog (above mentioned album is a great cocktail of that!) nor understand those sub-genres in general while on the same time thinking about early 70s Symphonic rock as "only" possible classic stuff, and yet if one want that some albums have to be mythologized that could be called classic, there's nothing that could help then.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

instant classic is an oxymoron
Yes I agree, it could sound like "wooden iron", though some albums are instant classic, because these albums really no need much time to be recognized by specialists on those genres as great and unique albums and, consequently, instant classic albums, for example Random Abstract Tongue
 
Quote A key advantage of playing complex instrumental music in a trio or quartet is the luxury of having one player free to keep the ball of melody in play while granting the other instrumentalists the freedom to harmonize, play counterpoint or just cut loose. This was the case for Dusan Jevtovic and Xavi Reija when, along with bassist Bernat Hernandez and under Xavi’s name, they recorded 2014’s MoonJune release “Resolution”. Prior to that, though with Marko Djordjevic drumming, Dusan offered up 2013’s “Am I Walking Wrong”. Both of these trio releases pointed the way to a style of composition emphasizing melodic interplay and rhythmic complexity while not sacrificing the improvisatory nature that make the music such a thrilling listen. Now in choosing to work as a two-man configuration called XaDu, Xavi and Dusan must first establish each composition with its intrinsic melodic and rhythmic components, then allow it to partially deconstruct as they explore the vast sonic palette of guitar and drumkit. Dusan’s guitar and pedalwork conjure a soundscape that can range from the introspective and almost ambient/atmospheric to the urgency of careening snow-blind through a maelstrom of sound. Xavi is right in the vortex, coaxing riffs into life, laying chase to Dusan’s frenetic runs with his supremely musical tom work, or just falling away in a wash of cymbals when the wave of energy has crashed on the shore. The reductionist “connect-the-dots” approach to this playing serves to really pull the listener into the mix; whereas Dusan first lays down a “Feelies”-era strummed guitar chord structure on “New Pop”, the responsibility to maintain that sunny day disposition is left to Xavi’s rhythmic interpretation as Dusan ventures into a world of darkening skies through a series of elongated bursts and pedal colorations. Two musicians work together to economically craft a very filmic piece where every sustained and slightly vibrato’d note or chord play to maximum effect with the deep toms and choked cymbals. Math metal jazz and fuzzy fusion. at the highest level, and the overall takeaway here is the great joy of listening to these two very talented players and witnessing their abilities to coax only the very best from each other in XaDu. It is most successful musical pairing indeed
 
 
Well, if someone hate contemporary prog, especially instrumental progressive fusion and / or avant prog (above mentioned album is a great cocktail of that!), nor understand those sub-genres in general while thinking about early 70s Symphonic rock as "only" possible classic stuff, there's nothing that could help then.
Stop, please. A poorly written blurb by a record company (who obviously hired an English-as-a-Second-Language speaker as the writer) does not mean anything.
 
Also, there is nothing deep or profound that I am missing here, nor is there either something that needs to be understood beyond what is offered, or a hate for what is involved. There are guys in basements and garages across the world playing the same crap. It's called practice.
 
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