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Oh I think i got 100 suggestions from Japan alone- not really, but I'll start there
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It's really just the real deal, recorded.  It did intro audiences early on to Middle Eastern sounds, though, as did the music of the US Kaleidoscope (to a lesser degree, as they remained fairly obscure), due to Brian Jones' celebrity status.
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^ i love Middle Eastern fusion music. Will check that one out! Thanks :)

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Brian Jones Presents the Pipes of Pan at Joujouka.
I have a vinyl copy, it is very hypnotic, not so strange for fans of Middle Eastern music, but an oddity all it's own nonetheless.

Wiki on the production, etc:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Jones_Presents_the_Pipes_of_Pan_at_Joujouka
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Simon, Alvin and Theodore   

Sorry just noticed this as i'm going through old threads! Wink

Yeah, they WERE weird and creepy like possessed nuns in the convent of the poltergeist convention LOL

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To my relief I expect none of those very subtly stolen artists will ever want to sue you. Even Crimson should think twice, but you put even less relaxed good old minor or major chords than them, so in spite of similar tempos, rythm sections, and intonations in spoken lyrics to Belew, they should think even more...

Thanks Youtube for those entertaining Herman Munster episodes ! Thumbs Up

...Maybe I'll come and get you reinflated after that nasty folding of road in the fun corner ? I had long ago printed total nonsense poems made with a lot of english words I discovered by browsing in THE oxford Dictionary, that may fit in there. I'm yet to find them... Why not


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I've tried again and again to write essay length lists of free improvisation artists and why I think they might be eligible for inclusion, but I keep forgetting to copy it before captcha obliterates it all. Not sure it's even worth posting at this point. This post alone has taken several tries.

Long story short, you're going to want to check out the free jazz pioneers as well as the early London free improve scene as they sort of set the standard, even though that standard is somewhat hard to define in a genre about exploration and idiosyncratic playing styles. I would also check out the Japanese noise (mainly early) and onkyo scenes. The onkyo scene, in particular, is filled to the brim with technical innovations. 
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Hey, I noticed you had the Trachtenburg Family Slideshow Players on your weird RYM list. I was friends with Jason Trachtenburg in junior high and high school in Philadelphia back in the 1980s. He was a big fan of the Beatles. In fact his solo album "Revolutions per Minute" was very Beatles-influenced. He was a very quirky fellow, always made me laugh, and saw things in ways most people would never imagine. After school he went to NYC and I think did a lot of beat poet readings or something, and met his wife there. They moved out to the Seattle area and ran a dog-walking business on the side while also performing and recording music. I think the last I heard, they were back in NYC, but I haven't exchanged e-mails with him for several years now. 

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Wow. Would that be Sea Of Peas High? LOL
I haven't heard them. I just copied that other website for most of those.
Don't necessarily agree with some. Added a few of my own. But for the most part their version of weird works.

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Hey, I noticed you had the Trachtenburg Family Slideshow Players on your weird RYM list. I was friends with Jason Trachtenburg in junior high and high school in Philadelphia back in the 1980s. He was a big fan of the Beatles. In fact his solo album "Revolutions per Minute" was very Beatles-influenced. He was a very quirky fellow, always made me laugh, and saw things in ways most people would never imagine. After school he went to NYC and I think did a lot of beat poet readings or something, and met his wife there. They moved out to the Seattle area and ran a dog-walking business on the side while also performing and recording music. I think the last I heard, they were back in NYC, but I haven't exchanged e-mails with him for several years now. 

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Originally posted by jayem jayem wrote:

Moron talk echoed (like the voice of a very powerful entity in a place where one can hear echoes...), mixed with both fresh and clean sounds, forming twisted harmonies into unsettling atmospheres, are an exciting recipe and IMO your projects should get some KUDOS at least for that reason.

Globally one could compare your style with Zappa's, but your stuff reminded me of no particular FZ piece or from another band except for All The Toilets Of The City, that sounds very close to Elephant Talk and Thela Hun Gingeet, and "It Smells Like Aunt Helen" close to (KCrimson's) Neurotica's

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Hey, sorry I didn't followup on this. I don't wander outside the "Just For Fun" area of this forum much and missed this. Thanks again for your comments. "Moron talk echoed" is probably the best description I have heard so far of what SP sounds like. I do like unsettling atmospheres and for some reason I lean more towards soundscapes than melodies. I've heard the Zappa comparisons before, but I tend to think of it more in the spirit of Zappa, sort of like "Zappa does neo prog or space rock."

You have to be the first to compare SP to King Crimson. I love Crimson's Discipline album, but I've never actually drawn any inspiration from that when I'm composing or writing. But since you pointed out the lyrics, yeah I can see why you'd pick up on that. Musically, "All the Toilets of the City" was an experiment in delay and Pink Floyd's Run Like Hell was the chief inspiration. Some might even call it a ripoff because I had the delay settings similar to Gilmour's.

A lot of that album was inspired by other music, something I try to shy away from in most of my works, but it was also meant as a return to shorter tracks instead of these expansive 15+ minute long ones I've been doing lately. The lyrics for Cadillac were inspired by David Bowie's Looking for Satellites. Parts of Eometry were inspired by the Ozric Tentacles. Radio Donkey was inspired by Elton John (mostly because without printed lyrics, most of his singing sounds like nonsense, so words were purposely mispronounced while I recorded the vocals) and Reunion's Life is a Rock, because the phrase "Radio Rolled Me" always sounded like "Radio Donkey" to my ears. Musically, I don't know what to compare much of it to. Thomas Dolby attempting to do prog??

A friend of mine called it "Frankenstein music." I don't know what to make of that, but it did inspire me to put some Fred Gwynne references in Metadata Socks.

Anyway, thanks very much for your comments. 
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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

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 I agree with you that that site has low standards of weirdness but i understand the inclusivity factor. Artists can be weird in different ways. I'm including visual appearances as weird such as Gwar even though the music itself isn't that strange. There are a lot of gray areas for sure but i'm not writing a discertation for a PHD, just a list! Thanks for these though, keep em coming :)
I'm just saying that there are entire genres that they and you could include based on what you've included already, which makes for probably a lot of work. But if you're up for it!

Agreed. Like Tuvan throat singing for example! Name a few and the weirdest artistst withing them. I haven't had time to even scour the suggestions on this thread yet but i will when i get the chance. It was basically a list that highlighted the website mentioned with new artists being added as i think of them. 
I'm late getting back because I'm lazy, but if you just survey free improvisation, you'll find an intimidating amount of artists that would flood the lists:

This isn't even close to the tip of the iceberg. There are other users here who know more about it than I. 

One genuinely bonkers project that I had forgotten to mention is Esmectatons, which is spearheaded by our very own VOTOMS:

Yeah. Maybe AMM should be on there but i don't want to make it a Nurse With Wound list. More of a list of unique musical artists who have a gimmick that stands out. Same could be said for avant-prog. It's a very weird genre with virtually everything qualifying. In that case i'll add the pioneers but not the copycats :) I'll check some of these out though. Maybe they're weirder than normal :)

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^ Not sure why free improvisation should be considered intrinsically weird. It's a particular approach to making music, albeit one that usually produces results most find unlistenable. But if the category of the ‘weird’ starts to encompass entire genres of music just because they deviate from musical norms I think it becomes so broad as to be meaningless, and arguably incoherent. A sober, rather highbrow improvising musician like Evan Parker or Anthony Braxton doesn't really have a lot in common with the guy sitting in a tub of baked beans playing banjo with his underpants on his head.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

 I agree with you that that site has low standards of weirdness but i understand the inclusivity factor. Artists can be weird in different ways. I'm including visual appearances as weird such as Gwar even though the music itself isn't that strange. There are a lot of gray areas for sure but i'm not writing a discertation for a PHD, just a list! Thanks for these though, keep em coming :)
I'm just saying that there are entire genres that they and you could include based on what you've included already, which makes for probably a lot of work. But if you're up for it!

Agreed. Like Tuvan throat singing for example! Name a few and the weirdest artistst withing them. I haven't had time to even scour the suggestions on this thread yet but i will when i get the chance. It was basically a list that highlighted the website mentioned with new artists being added as i think of them. 
I'm late getting back because I'm lazy, but if you just survey free improvisation, you'll find an intimidating amount of artists that would flood the lists:

This isn't even close to the tip of the iceberg. There are other users here who know more about it than I. 

One genuinely bonkers project that I had forgotten to mention is Esmectatons, which is spearheaded by our very own VOTOMS:
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 I agree with you that that site has low standards of weirdness but i understand the inclusivity factor. Artists can be weird in different ways. I'm including visual appearances as weird such as Gwar even though the music itself isn't that strange. There are a lot of gray areas for sure but i'm not writing a discertation for a PHD, just a list! Thanks for these though, keep em coming :)
I'm just saying that there are entire genres that they and you could include based on what you've included already, which makes for probably a lot of work. But if you're up for it!

Agreed. Like Tuvan throat singing for example! Name a few and the weirdest artistst withing them. I haven't had time to even scour the suggestions on this thread yet but i will when i get the chance. It was basically a list that highlighted the website mentioned with new artists being added as i think of them. 

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

 I agree with you that that site has low standards of weirdness but i understand the inclusivity factor. Artists can be weird in different ways. I'm including visual appearances as weird such as Gwar even though the music itself isn't that strange. There are a lot of gray areas for sure but i'm not writing a discertation for a PHD, just a list! Thanks for these though, keep em coming :)
I'm just saying that there are entire genres that they and you could include based on what you've included already, which makes for probably a lot of work. But if you're up for it!
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^ My mistake, period... Thanks for the effort of making it all clear. 

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Calling music "Weird" implies one doesn't get it... Either there's something to understand and a challenge, or it's a kind of zen koan and there's nonsense to sort of relax to.


Um. Weird is a real word. It means "unusual." It doesn't imply some esoteric understanding, it simply means that something stands out as not fitting in with an established pattern. In the case of musical artists, this can be a musical trait, it can be a visual appearance, a live stage personna or it can simply be anything that the general public wasn't quite ready to experience. For some of us, such as myself, there is no such thing as "weird" as i'm utterly unshockable however there is a general consensus of what society at large would consider "unusual" by orthodox standards. This is the "weird" i'm going for with this one Wink

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Those weeks it felt like I was 100 percent ready to enjoy your musical world and have fondly visited your website.

Without surprise I prefer Superluminal Pachyderm to TIOP esp. Incoherent Brain Dump & Unsalted Pants – According to my angle of listening I don't see bogs at all in the music and there are no absurd harmonies but a lot of tension... But it is nice to detect similarities in those early recordings (esp The Cushions Smell like Poop).

Moron talk echoed (like the voice of a very powerful entity in a place where one can hear echoes...), mixed with both fresh and clean sounds, forming twisted harmonies into unsettling atmospheres, are an exciting recipe and IMO your projects should get some KUDOS at least for that reason.

Globally one could compare your style with Zappa's, but your stuff reminded me of no particular FZ piece or from another band except for All The Toilets Of The City, that sounds very close to Elephant Talk and Thela Hun Gingeet, and "It Smells Like Aunt Helen" close to (KCrimson's) Neurotica's

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I rove the moving scenery

...maybe Zappa's Sy Borg isn't very far. I'm curious about what albums others may compare some of your pieces to.

Clonus (6th The Idiots of Pennsylvania in the list) is not the same style but it sounds very promising.

(...This post gets closer to a review than expected... We'll see)

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Calling music "Weird" implies one doesn't get it... Either there's something to understand and a challenge, or it's a kind of zen koan and there's nonsense to sort of relax to.
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