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sorry my dear Steve et Martin
Not ignoring you or anything.   Just this darn work getting in the way!

Martin, as-tu entendu Moving Hearts?  C'etait une autre supergroupe forme par Christy Moore apres Planxty.  Merveilleux
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Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

^ No, not really.

Is Highway 61 prog? I'd like to say yes but...

Yes, but Dylan never made a song like this.
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^ No, not really.

Is Highway 61 prog? I'd like to say yes but...
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^ Yes I agree, but do you think the album is prog?
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Sans être un de mes groupes préférés quoique solidement ancré dans les traditions et le folklore (Planxty résonne un peu plus à mes oreilles), ce Liege and Lief est définitivement sur ma liste des 25 meilleurs albums tout genre confondu.
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Well, that went over like a lead balloon. LOL Perhaps when the prog folk team is active again. Whatever that means.
 
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^ Au contraire mon ami, what if the Strawbs or Tull were destined to live out their lives in prog related. Sacre blue, it's the same thing with Fairport. There is no respect shown for their prog prowess if not placed in PF.
 
Edit: Excuse my French.


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the PF team just isn't very active at the moment, but we were kind of in the middle of deciding whether to promote Fairport, demote a bunch of other acts, or do nothing, and were waiting for a third member to break the tie, that being two lukewarms for Fairport in PF.  You know, being in PF isn't everything.  But I can tell you there is little chance Sandy would be in anything other than prog related, if that.  And if Fairport is bumped up, then so probably would be Fotheringay.  So sorry I can't give any definite yes or no at this point
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^ Will do! It's time to wake up! Tongue

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^ I proudly support your proposal, mate - go ahead and slam the guys, they waste all their time snoozing !
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^ yes, you admins always get the credit! Smile How about suggesting Fairport for prog folk as that seems more doable than adding Sandy or Thompson as prog related. At least Fairport are already listed here.
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From June 2017:

Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

I happened to notice we have Bert Jansch, Pentangle, Bert & John but not John Renbourn himself - isn't the man worth to be given shelter ?
I don't know, maybe you've dealt with this before, sorry if that's the case.


... and then he was approved by Admins Big smile
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From May 2017:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

It suddenly came to my mind that Sandy Denny is not among us (and should ! imo )
We have the Strawbs, Fotheringay, Fairport - why not the lovely lady that sang and composed for these bands ?
Has this already been considered by the team?

only Strawbs are in a full fledged prog genre, if you can call prog folk full fledged.  Fairport and Fotheringay are prog related, and Sandy's solo material, from what I've heard would be prog-related related.  Bob or Hugues may have a better idea if she has been proposed before, but I would bump her to the admin team if anything

I checked my list and don't believe she's been proposed before but IMHO her solo work would fit as prog-related at best.  Technically she only had three solo albums, the first which was s/t and pretty traditional, maybe could be considered folk revival but nothing more.  The other two were kind of pop-flavored with a little bit of Bakersfield country mixed in.  I have two of the three and wouldn't consider either of them to be Prog Folk.

Love Sandy Denny but IMHO the closest she came to prog folk was her stint with Strawbs and possibly "Battle of Evermore".



not aware of most of her discography (only Grassman/ravens album) , but I'd tend to aqgree with that.




... and then she was rejected by the Admins Cry
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My family was very to the left also, but we enjoyed the expansion to electric...I do know the attitude of which you speak, though, certainly.  Of course, some people don't get Dylan in the first place, that's another whole conversation.

The strange times were just beginning....  Smile
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^ Absolutely! My parents were two leftist folkies who thought that Dylan betrayed "the cause" by going electric! Such strange times in the US, for sure! LOL

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Yes, this is where having been there when it happened can give a deeper perspective and understanding of how shocking/innovative/different it appeared at the time.  Most famous example, doubtless, Bob Dylan at Newport.  No, I was not there (sometimes I seem like I must be a female Forrest Gump, but not this time) but I remember the controversy from being aware at the time.
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^ Oh, I'm quite use to these old ballads now but back in the day they really threw me. And listening to accompanied versions of traditional ballads sung in British folk clubs threw me even more at the time. Both sound quite normal to me now but I try to keep in mind that this could also throw newer listeners to this type of music, especially if they come from the States as I do.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I've played the album again after a long, long time and what strikes me first, as always, is the rather amateurish production. As a recording engineer I can tell that this down to the type of microphones used, which is especially noticeable on Sandy's vocals. The album could also use a new remix but that will only lessen the problems and not correct them. But it would give several songs a bit more punch though.
 
The second thing that still strikes me is that the songs do not have the standard pop or rock verse, chorus, break, verse, chorus arrangements. Something that you will not find on follow up albums, at least to this degree, like Full House and Angel Delight. The musicianship, as always, is first rate and Sandy's vocals are absolutely mesmerizing and stellar. It's no wonder that producer Joe Boyd pushed her so hard to pursue a solo career. Fairport was indeed a one in a million band with this type of talent and it's no surprise to me that all this talent couldn't be contained within just one grouping at that particular time. Worthy of 5 stars? Why not? What else sounds like this and has inspired so many that followed?

I agree with the production, SteveG.  It sounds almost like a live recording.  But it is still a phenomenal and unprecedented work in it's scope and virtuosity of musicianship (again, the ages of these people!).  
The songs not following the standard arrangements is also due to (at least the ones that are) reworkings of old ballads etc, which, thankfully, didn't have to follow those kinds of rules.  Smile  Longer attention spans were at work, sort of like the longer attention spans of prog fans, perhaps.
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Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

........

And no, it is not overrated. It is perhaps the best British folk-rock album ever released.


This.

A masterpiece. Should be prog-folk not prog-related. "Prog-related" undermines their influence on other subsequent prog-folk acts.

Richard Thompson was only 20 at the time; mind-boggling guitar work both electric and acoustic. Tam Lin sends shivers down the spine.

Born to play guitar, that one.  That was what I meant by how young everyone was.  Such an inspired recording.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

It's also strange that Renbourn , Jansch, Fairport , and Steeleye Span are represented here yet Thompson and Drake don't have a PA page under prog folk.......go figure. 
Renbourn and Jansch are listed under prog related with Renbourn added at my request. Jansch was already listed years earlier so it made little sense to me to have one listed without the other. Both Sandy and Thompson should be added with the same criteria that include Renborn and Jansch, imho. And Fairport should be listed under Prog Folk. Songs like "Matty Groves" and "Sloth" are, without a doubt, progressive.
 
Edit: It's time to petition the powers that be. Bob and Ken, are you listening?


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