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I too am of the Hindu-ish mind when it comes to life


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We're back to the United Nations? Oh, brother.


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^The legal circus and craziness is yet to go into its inevitable full blown overload, but in a way that is simply what will make the media. The disruption to lives has already begun. But what’s truly sad, to me, is that some people are now so cynical that they view any post made on social media with a solid dose of skepticism. As I said, my friend (actually my first girlfriend, and the girl I thought I was going to marry) is a nurse. Originally from CA, she has also worked in WA, CO and, now, NV. She has a number of friends who work around the country, and she has a good idea of what is going on around the country. Her greatness sadness is obviously the fact this has happened at all, but coming up close is the fact that almost any time a nurse or a pregnant woman writes a post about what it happening, the first reaction of many is disbelief, and the idea that it might be propaganda. It’s going back to the bad old days where if a woman cried rape, people thought she was asking for it. The legal circus has not even yet begun, but the judging has.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Now that the reality of the situation has set in, perhaps we should talk about where we go from here.
A million lawsuits is where we are going.......I've heard that pretty much all privacy issues for women are at risk. If the abortion police, whoever that will be, simply catches wind that a woman is thinking of an abortion they can make a case to confiscate cell phones, laptops, social media accounts, web searches to build a case against them.
Has anyone in this F'ed up govt thought about what they will do to a woman that gets convicted of thinking of an abortion?? Put her in jail for 8 months, make her have the baby while under daily supervision....and then what??
Lawyers have been drafting scenarios for the past week I bet you, for both sides. The craziness has yet to begin.
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We're back to the United Nations? Oh, brother.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:





The US Supreme Court and the Afghanistan Talebans and other Islamic fundamentalists are agreeing about women issues.DisapproveEvil Smile
Pretty soon, their voting rights will be withdrawn.
Let me know when the White Supremacists get together with the Taliban.


Unitedstatians Censored supremacists want women to have as many kids as possible to augment the number of Pig targets to kill in schools. Evil Smile

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^Not trying to be too callus here, but this is one of several 'texts' I've seen floating around the 'ol interweb lately.Is it true? Who knows, it could just as easily be propaganda. But I think anyone with even a milligram of compassion (I am Canadian after all), would understand that there are so many possible stories just like this that women have to contend with each and every day. So now not only do they want to force women to have babies, they don't even want the government to be allowed to try and provide clean breathable air to these same women and their unborn babies.


It's such a sad time for our neighbours to the south.

I have a friend in the US who is a nurse, and she has no end of sad tales like this. There were a number of states with so-called “trigger laws”, that were written in advance of the decision, so that if Roe vs Wade were overturned, the law changed at that moment. So many people were caught unaware, either because they were not expecting Roe vs Wade to be overturned, or because they were not expecting changes to be made immediately upon the decision being made.

I have no doubt this is true. By all means, feel free to doubt it. But it’s hardly propaganda.

And, yes, it is preaching to the converted - because sometimes the converted need to be preached to. Brexit occurred because the converted ignored the preaching, assuming it would be a foregone conclusion that the UK would remain in the EU. It’s all very well thinking you know what is right, but it makes more sense to make a noise about it. Talking the talk changes nothing. Walking the walk does. And all that cheesy cliche stuff.

On reflection, the majority of folks here knew what it was like before R v. W but millennials certainly do not. In that regard, preaching has merit. 
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^Not trying to be too callus here, but this is one of several 'texts' I've seen floating around the 'ol interweb lately.Is it true? Who knows, it could just as easily be propaganda. But I think anyone with even a milligram of compassion (I am Canadian after all), would understand that there are so many possible stories just like this that women have to contend with each and every day. So now not only do they want to force women to have babies, they don't even want the government to be allowed to try and provide clean breathable air to these same women and their unborn babies.


It's such a sad time for our neighbours to the south.

I have a friend in the US who is a nurse, and she has no end of sad tales like this. There were a number of states with so-called “trigger laws”, that were written in advance of the decision, so that if Roe vs Wade were overturned, the law changed at that moment. So many people were caught unaware, either because they were not expecting Roe vs Wade to be overturned, or because they were not expecting changes to be made immediately upon the decision being made.

I have no doubt this is true. By all means, feel free to doubt it. But it’s hardly propaganda.

And, yes, it is preaching to the converted - because sometimes the converted need to be preached to. Brexit occurred because the converted ignored the preaching, assuming it would be a foregone conclusion that the UK would remain in the EU. It’s all very well thinking you know what is right, but it makes more sense to make a noise about it. Talking the talk changes nothing. Walking the walk does. And all that cheesy cliche stuff.

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:





The US Supreme Court and the Afghanistan Talebans and other Islamic fundamentalists are agreeing about women issues.DisapproveEvil Smile
Pretty soon, their voting rights will be withdrawn.
Let me know when the White Supremacists get together with the Taliban.
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The US Supreme Court and the Afghanistan Talebans and other Islamic fundamentalists are agreeing about women issues.DisapproveEvil Smile
Pretty soon, their voting rights will be withdrawn.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:


This type of post has value, but I think it's wasted here where this is a case of preaching to the choir. The general consensus here being that the overturning of Roe v. Wade was a mistake. As for the 2% who don't concur, no amount of postings like this will persuade them.

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^Not trying to be too callus here, but this is one of several 'texts' I've seen floating around the 'ol interweb lately.Is it true? Who knows, it could just as easily be propaganda. But I think anyone with even a milligram of compassion (I am Canadian after all), would understand that there are so many possible stories just like this that women have to contend with each and every day. So now not only do they want to force women to have babies, they don't even want the government to be allowed to try and provide clean breathable air to these same women and their unborn babies.


It's such a sad time for our neighbours to the south.


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Now that the reality of the situation has set in, perhaps we should talk about where we go from here.
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Is anything in our world right or wrong? I've kinda wondered is it even right that we are all here....?? Jesus this is such a personal choice, I mean I absolutely do not want the Feds telling me what I can and can't do regarding my own well being...Let alone the state I live in.

The more I dwell on this the more I wish it would have been left alone. As I said earlier, I did not expect this when it first started, but I was not surprised when it happened.
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My brother, who is ten years older than I am, is generally extremely progressive but strictly against abortion, except for medical reasons. I fully understand him. He was born with osteogenesis imperfecta, a condition that makes his bones extremely brittle and can lead to dwarfism or having a hunchback (or both) or in extreme cases even be lethal. He had countless fractures during his life. His left leg is about an inch shorter than the right one, and although he wears orthopedic shoes he walks with a pronounced limp. He first broke a leg while still being in the uterus, as was detected when he had his first leg fracture at age one.

Had it been possible to detect this condition while he still was an embryo he would quite likely have been aborted. Which would have been a shame; my brother is extremely intelligent and talented. He has composed classical music, wrote theatrical plays, short stories, he has painted in oil, has acted, worked as a free-lancing journalist, speaks eight languages and is a brilliant mathematician. He is currently working on a highly complex novel.

This is such an interesting concept. I've though about it a ton to be honest.

As an adopted child myself, you'd think I would be Pro-Life. But I am all in on Pro-Choice. I believe there are many roads to life. The 'potential' for each and every little sperm to be an individual life blows my mind. How did I get so lucky and the millions of other sperms didn't? I mean sure, I am a good swimmer. Wink

I choose to believe that the life that's born is the life to be nurtured. So the feelings you have for your brother are great, but how do you know how you'd feel if it had been anyone else. Brother or sister? Those attachments come after birth. It might have just been as possible that the birth would provide the next mass murderer or authoritarian politician. And I understand the nature of a person vs nurture of the person.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I no longer seek or accept work south of the border.
Could you elaborate what that work is? Are you also not traveling south of the border anymore? We'll miss you!! LOL
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Nope, nothing.

While there certainly are 'locations' I'd like to experience sometime (Grand Canyon, Hawaii maybe California) there really isn't anything to draw me there. Not to sound like too much of a MCGA/Canada First kinda guy, which I'm not, but there is soooo much to see and do here at home (The Great White North), traveling out of country has to be way more exotic and welcoming for me anymore. That is NOT the US.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

We are both shocked about how the USA appear to be drifting back in time. What is next on the agenda? Banning same-sex marriage? Black people having to stand in the bus again? Returning to slavery? Women no longer having the right to vote? As a same-sex couple we would definitely no longer feel safe in the USA.
Yes it's sad. When the orange clown was president things in the USA started on a downhill decline.

Anyway, in Germany, isn't abortion illegal after 12 weeks of pregnancy? Punishable up to three years in jail? Abortion rights don't seem to be any better in Germany. 

It is a little more difficult than that. Have a look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

Go to the section "National Laws" and have a look at how abortion is regulated worldwide.

My brother, who is ten years older than I am, is generally extremely progressive but strictly against abortion, except for medical reasons. I fully understand him. He was born with osteogenesis imperfecta, a condition that makes his bones extremely brittle and can lead to dwarfism or having a hunchback (or both) or in extreme cases even be lethal. He had countless fractures during his life. His left leg is about an inch shorter than the right one, and although he wears orthopedic shoes he walks with a pronounced limp. He first broke a leg while still being in the uterus, as was detected when he had his first leg fracture at age one.

Had it been possible to detect this condition while he still was an embryo he would quite likely have been aborted. Which would have been a shame; my brother is extremely intelligent and talented. He has composed classical music, wrote theatrical plays, short stories, he has painted in oil, has acted, worked as a free-lancing journalist, speaks eight languages and is a brilliant mathematician. He is currently working on a highly complex novel.



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