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Eric Clapton -  Stand and Deliver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0cCJMrNZa8&t=133s


Benjamin Franklin: "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."


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^ yes, or also that if one agrees with one thing someone says, that does not mean one agrees with everything else they are saying.

Also, all too often nowadays when you name a reference which supports your claims, people will look up the source and then try to attack its credibility without ever addressing what that source is saying. They’re often operating on the principle of guilt by association - something every evil regime has done, including the you know who (avoiding the n word).
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^ many cannot grasp the abstract concept that supporting one’s ability to speak does not mean that one agrees with that speech

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^ See, I care more about what is being said than about who is saying it. Can you name one claim he makes in the video which is false?

And I am not “standing up” for the guy. What gave you that impression?

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Mike, you're standing up for Victor Davis Hanson, who, you may not know, is one of the worst Authoritarian figures in the U.S.

If you keep going down that road you're gonna get a whole lot more push back than you've gotten so far.  You haven't seen "free speech" until I tell you & your punk-ass friend Davis where to shove it.

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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Censorship is a good thing if it makes people who talk too much shut up for a change.

That's not what censorship is though. 
Maybe people should just tell people that talk too much to shut up every now and then. LOL Or let's just avoid these people. LOL
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Censorship is a good thing if it makes people who talk too much shut up for a change.
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Yes, I'd say believing 14-year olds are getting their dicks cut off and bringing that up out of nowhere is pretty unhinged indeed. But again, you need someone close to you to get through to you, I know I'm just some random guy you're arguing with online. So I think I'll just leave you be from now on.

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Yes, I'd say believing 14-year olds are getting their dicks cut off and bringing that up out of nowhere is pretty unhinged indeed. But again, you need someone close to you to get through to you, I know I'm just some random guy you're arguing with online. So I think I'll just leave you be from now on.

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^ "Unhinged" is the word, I think. Unhappy Needless to say, I am not against trans people at all. It was you who opened up all sorts of other topics, in this case "homophobia". Well, if you must project your problems onto me, go ahead. I can only say that at this point I REALLY hope that we never meet in real life, since you strike me as a really angry person.

To anyone else: I apologise for spamming this thread, but this is just too good. For satire/sarcasm to work, there needs to be a core of truth. Have a look at this serious comment on Joe Biden, if you think that the Liar video was framing him for something he does not deserve.



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1) Why bring trans people up all of a sudden only to talk sh*t about them?
2) Why do you sound so sarcastic when you talk about sex change? it IS great you can choose your sex these days. Why mention you're either with us or against us? Are you against it? Are you against trans people or something?
3) Currently, kids do not get their genetalia cut off at 14.
4) Almost nobody who starts the process of changing their sex later wants to change back, and the sooner you start the process, the better the results. Nobody starts a sex change process on a whim or because it's "trendy". People who think that are truly too stupid to wipe their own ass.
5) Those who do wish to reverse the process usually don't regret having started the process.

You're falling for transphobic right-wing propaganda disguised as concerns over children's health. Your family members or friends need to pull you out of this rabbit-hole before you're gone for good and they no longer want to associate with you. I've seen it happen, and seeing as 50% of what you post on this forum has something to do with "wokism" and whining about how you're not allowed to say stuff, I know which way you're heading. Or maybe try to talk to an actual trans person instead of believing what those who hate them say about them.

You've shown your true colors, and I hope fellow forum members see you for what you are and not naively interpret this is some kind of misunderstanding or difference of opinion. He doesn't bring this up for no reason, people. Goodbye.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Here's some clever POLITICAL incorrectness in prog.


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What's incorrect about this? Confused

It is saying many of the things I've said in this thread, but in a less direct and more poetic way.
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^ Indeed, these days the Orwellian newspeak has progressed towards the notion that only the ultra-right (nazis) would campaign for liberty. After all, we're all free - aren't we? We live in the greatest and most progressive society ever - and it's getting better by the minute, we never regress. Today we can even choose our sex! Have our genitalia cut off at the age of 14 or even earlier ... now THAT is progress. To hell with the nay-sayers! If they're not with us, they're against us ... that's a principle that has served us well historically, hasn't it?
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Freedom of speech is a "don't know what you got till it's gone" it seems. A real shame that is. Dissidents in Iran, China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia etc... probably understands its value better than people in the western world. "free speech warrior"... sheesh. It used to be completely normal to consider it a good. Unless you were a conservative religious leader or something like that.
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And of course this one is a classic ...
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Here's some clever POLITICAL incorrectness in prog.


Great song, one of my favorite bands.
What's incorrect about this? Confused
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Here's some clever POLITICAL incorrectness in prog.
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

For every person who takes taking offense too far, there's 100 people who whine about people who take taking offense to far, and 100 more who spout nazi bullsh*t. 

If we take this thread as a first indication, the opposite is true. I've posted a video mocking Biden, and all hell broke loose, people started whining, bitching and attacking people left and right. There's much more offense-taking than offending happening here. And exactly zero people spouted nazi bullsh*t, unless I am mistaken. But good old Godwin's law holds ... someone had to introduce the nazi topic.


BTW: Here in Europe where I live (Sweden, before that Germany) there is a growing tendency towards flagging any pro-liberty stance as ultra right-wing (nazi). If I decided to protest against governmental overreach in Germany today, and walked through the streets, holding our German constitution (a book describing the "Grundrechte" - human rights), many people would look at that and say "here's the far right people marching again". That's how twisted the world has become. 

So I'm not really surprised when I'm reading nauseating nonsense like what you wrote above. It does make me angry. But mostly it frustrates me because every sentence of this gish gallop would require a lengthy discussion to clear up.

Final thought: I encourage you to read Brave New World. Then decide whether what that book describes is an utopia or a dystopia. 


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