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At least, ELP with their own adaptations of classical music, made us discover Classical music in the seventies, at least for those who did not know a thing about it while they were teenagers. The first time that I attended a concert with a full symphonic orchestra, it was ELP show at the Olympic Stadium with orchestra. Thirty years ago this year. ELP helped demistify classical music and made it accessible for young people.  

 
 
  
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I miss ELP's adaptions of classical music. Knife Edge is as heavy as anything I can think of. 
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You are missing my point. Arrangements on the synthesizer are not necessarily "crappy". They may be really interesting. The practice of arranging itself is not important because it does not offer anything new. However interesting such an arrangement may be it hardly ever challenges established interpretations by classical artists.
 
I am not familiar with Carl Palmer's rendition of Prokofiev's music but I shall make a reference to Bob Jame's "Scarlati Dialogues" released back in 1989. Although his arrangements of Domenico Scarlati's music for the synthesizer are outstanding, critically acclaimed even by classical performers and indeed great fun to listen to, although they brought jazz and latin-american elements into Scarlati's music they still do not transcend the established interpretations of Scarlati's keyboard music either on the piano or on the harpsichord.
 
By the way, could anyone of you gentlemen explain a reason that the "Scarlati Dialogues" has never been considered "Progressive Rock"?      
 
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Points: 75 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 23:35
i would LOVE (although id be timid about it at first) to hear a rendition of Beethoven's moonlight sonota, particularly the third movement. IMHO the best song writin yet, so far, in history. love beethoven. some of Chopin's stuff would be very interesting to hear as well as some Brahms or Shumman.

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i'm not suggesting that anyone should do a crappy arrangement, ie just playing it on a synth lol, im saying it would be cool to hear a good arrangement of a classical piece for a progressive rock band,

for instance: the Carl Palmer band did an amazing rendition of a Prokofiev piece in a prog-metal style, it was not just a loud guitar-driven version, but was well-arranged for the three-piece band, to create a great prog piece and a cool twist on a classic song.

It is, perhaps, to recreate the classical sensibility within a modern frame.
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Rendering European music from any period as "progressive rock" is not an interesting endeavour at all! Performing Bach's music on the synthesizer or invoking from the percussion an up-beat tempo to a 16th-century pavane does neither reveal new possibilities in interpretation nor does it make that performance "progressive rock" at all. For music to be progressive a necessary condition is to synthesize and advance the established musical experience, not just reproduce it.      
 
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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 16:05
Ha! 4:33, would be a great prog piece.
As a side note, I'd like to voice an annoyance of mine before someone else brings it up. Just because a track is called "Bolero" does not make it a version of Ravel's Bolero. A bolero is a dance that uses a particular rhythmic figure (as on King Crimson's Lizard). I've sen this mistake made dozens of times and it always really bugs me. </rant>
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I don't want to see any classical composition turned into prog... Let's leave classical music like it is. Let's create completely original prog pieces and songs... stop the "remake" (this is what it is in a way) culture and start CREATING.
 
Anyway, I can't think of one. I really don't like classical-made-modern... Also, if I like prog-rock is because I like that, prog-rock.
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Einstein on the Beach, 4:33, and Pierrot Lunaire
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 14:46
Originally posted by cmidkiff cmidkiff wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Tchaikovsky´s Overture Festival 1812
 
Check:
Cozy Powell: Over The Top
 
Good album,.... why isn't it here?
 
I have been vociferous foooor the inclusion of Cozy Powell, but alas, the majority consider him even not related.
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Tchaikovsky´s Overture Festival 1812
 
Check:
Cozy Powell: Over The Top
 
Good album,.... why isn't it here?
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^^ more compelling reasons to Just Say No.
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Points: 12818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 13:53
Love Sculpture's Khataturian's Sabre Dance (great bit of 60's guitar work by Dave Edmunds)
Of course Keith Emerson borrowed B Bumble & The Stinger's arrangement of Nut Rocker  a hit single in 1962 or 3! Who had a hit single with Offenbach's  Can Can  - Peter somebody -  a few years earlier?
Emerson borrowed from Dave Brubeck Quartet's interpretation of Mozart's Ronda Ala Turka
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Points: 6419 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 13:49
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Oy, If Pictures or Fanfare or The Nutrocker weren't proof enough that we just shouldn't do this, I don't know what are.

Just Say No


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Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Tchaikovsky´s Overture Festival 1812
 
Check:
Cozy Powell: Over The Top
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
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Jan Akkerman does a great updated version of John Dowland`s Britanniaon his `73 album Tabernakel with a small string section along with a modern rythm section. Very cool interpretation Cool.
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Jethro tull - Bouree
 
It's the only good one I've ever heard, and it's great at that.
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Points: 2488 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 12:24
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique!


Try John Eliot Gardiner's version.

The way he uses period instruments means (among other things): louder, more abrasive brass, and far more prominent percussion than is customary. In other words: Berlioz really ROCKS, as never before!

Besides, the Symphonie Fantastique must be one of the proggiest symphonies around.

But that definitely doesn't mean I'd like to hear a 'prog version' of it. And the thought of a prog band 'doing' Mahler gives me the shivers.

I do think Tomita's synthesized Debussy is really cute, though!
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Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Oy, If Pictures or Fanfare or The Nutrocker weren't proof enough that we just shouldn't do this, I don't know what are.

Just Say No
 
Fanfare rules!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mozart's Symphony No. 25
Sing hymns, make love, get high, fall dead.
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