"groupthink" in Genesis?

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   Personally i don't consider any of the individual members to be progressive artists (maybe Hackett though). But the sum is bigger than the parts.
I think their individual approach to music, made a progressive mix, all adding an aspect of progressive rock. IMO Genesis slowely turned pop with the loss of each member because the specific progressive element of the leaving member was lost with the member.
also the Zeitgeist could have played a role I reccon. I can't discard the groupthink hypothesis you suggested, could well be it.
Just some thoughts, maybe I should give it more thought, but it will suffice for now I think.

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tuxon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502	Posted: April 27 2005 at 17:00
	Personally i don't consider any of the individual members to be progressive artists (maybe Hackett though). But the sum is bigger than the parts. I think their individual approach to music, made a progressive mix, all adding an aspect of progressive rock. IMO Genesis slowely turned pop with the loss of each member because the specific progressive element of the leaving member was lost with the member. also the Zeitgeist could have played a role I reccon. I can't discard the groupthink hypothesis you suggested, could well be it. Just some thoughts, maybe I should give it more thought, but it will suffice for now I think.
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Deadwing12 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 16 2005 Status: Offline Points: 301	Posted: April 27 2005 at 16:51
	I wanna say that all of the members of Genesis had a love for prog when they started out, or at least once the realized thats the path they wanted to take, particularly on their album Trespass. However, unlike, say, King Crimson or Yes, they soon probably found that prog was not where the money was at and thus decided to try to expand their musical talents to a broader audience. Perhaps they had already walked down all the prog paths they felt existed and wanted to see if their was a roof to their genius. I simply think that while they all enjoyed prog at the beginning, it was probably a unanimous decision by 1977 to veer away from those roads and try to make something even more of thier musical abilities


goose Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097	Posted: April 27 2005 at 16:30
	If anybody isn't familiar with the term groupthink, it basically means when a number of people come to a decision because each person thinks that everyone else would want to, although no one in the group actually does. And it seems odd that by about 1977 not one member of Genesis was really playing prog. Gabriel's solo career, while undoubtedly intelligent and forward thinking, in no way conformed to any traditional expectations of progressive rock. And it need hardly be said that Genesis's efforts without Gabriel (still three members of "the" lineup) pretty much outright rejected prog - recent quotations from Collins and Hackett (is Hackett's solo work particularly in a "prog" vein? I've only listened to one early album very quietly, so I can't really judge) both contain similar sentiments, whatever the context they've been taken out of. As for Tony Banks I couldn't say, although what little I've heard seems far more to pander to a pop audience. So my question is this: from where did the idea for Genesis to play prog come? Can we thank "groupthink" for the happy coincidence which provided us with some years of prog music? Did Gabriel's theatrical excesses need a prog band to match them? Or did Hackett's/Rutherford's/Collins'/Banks' playing? Did they all enjoy prog music at the time and later tire of it? Or do they just pretend not to like it to sell records? Any thoughts?