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Posted: September 20 2010 at 10:25
How Jagger said "It's only rock and roll but I like it". Having 12 minutes songs doesn't always mean progressive. I agree about Talking Heads. If they are on PA who's next? Echo and the bunnymen?
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 15:50
I like Meat Loaf the most in The Rocky Horror Picture Show:
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 14:29
Chris S wrote:
Logan wrote:
Cristi wrote:
ABBA is one of the best pop bands, cleverly made pop, by skilled musicians (especially the keyboardist) and the girls did amazing vocals.
A lot of 70s musicians had great, complex arrangements but that don't make them prog. Even French artist Joe Dassin (Le jardin de Luxembourg is quite an epic ).
I certainly don't think Abba is Prog, and although I like Abba considerably, I couldn't say if it's one of the best pop bands (though I think Abba is good). What I meant is that although I would not support Abba for Prog-Related (and definitely not a Prog category), I do not think Abba musically has no merits as a band with a progressive rock relation. It's a matter of degree, and that degree depends opon various factors, and different people will disagree on degree. "Eagle", at least, is proggy-sounding to me. I can think of a lot of French pop that has proggy qualities that I wouldn't support for inclusion, and yes, that Joe Dassin song is pretty epic and has some degree of merit. I don't support Abba for PA, but I don't think the suggestion as ludicrous/ laughable as some others.
yeah one song don't make an album though.
Absolutely, of course. If it did I might offer support for ABBA in Prog-Related (or if we were a track-based rather than album-based resource). The ABBA suggester did provide other music he thought worthy.
LATE EDIT: Actually, one song can make an album, especially if it's an album length song.
Edited by Logan - September 17 2010 at 15:15
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 14:16
Logan wrote:
Cristi wrote:
ABBA is one of the best pop bands, cleverly made pop, by skilled musicians (especially the keyboardist) and the girls did amazing vocals.
A lot of 70s musicians had great, complex arrangements but that don't make them prog. Even French artist Joe Dassin (Le jardin de Luxembourg is quite an epic ).
I certainly don't think Abba is Prog, and although I like Abba considerably, I couldn't say if it's one of the best pop bands (though I think Abba is good). What I meant is that although I would not support Abba for Prog-Related (and definitely not a Prog category), I do not think Abba musically has no merits as a band with a progressive rock relation. It's a matter of degree, and that degree depends opon various factors, and different people will disagree on degree. "Eagle", at least, is proggy-sounding to me. I can think of a lot of French pop that has proggy qualities that I wouldn't support for inclusion, and yes, that Joe Dassin song is pretty epic and has some degree of merit. I don't support Abba for PA, but I don't think the suggestion as ludicrous/ laughable as some others.
yeah one song don't make an album though.
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 14:12
Cristi wrote:
ABBA is one of the best pop bands, cleverly made pop, by skilled musicians (especially the keyboardist) and the girls did amazing vocals.
A lot of 70s musicians had great, complex arrangements but that don't make them prog. Even French artist Joe Dassin (Le jardin de Luxembourg is quite an epic ).
I certainly don't think Abba is Prog, and although I like Abba considerably, I couldn't say if it's one of the best pop bands (though I think Abba is good). What I meant is that although I would not support Abba for Prog-Related (and definitely not a Prog category), I do not think Abba musically has no merits as a band with a progressive rock relation. It's a matter of degree, and that degree depends opon various factors, and different people will disagree on degree. "Eagle", at least, is proggy-sounding to me. I can think of a lot of French pop that has proggy qualities that I wouldn't support for inclusion, and yes, that Joe Dassin song is pretty epic and has some degree of merit. I don't support Abba for PA, but I don't think the suggestion as ludicrous/ laughable as some others.
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 14:11
aginor wrote:
to me Alice Cooper fits better then Meat Loaf in Progarchives, he was one of the first to bring theatrics on stage and they were influenced and did also influence prog bands (Genesis hinihint, stage show, costumes)
For me theatrics have no bearing and only the music counts.
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 14:03
Look it is really simple..... Should Mr. Steinman's band fit any revised definitions of prog related, then please someone get your proposal justification " act" together and submit to Easy Livin to take it to the admin team. But to just say the band should be here is as good as saying " There will be weather tomorrow"
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:48
Logan wrote:
I've supported Alice Cooper, and continue to for Prog Related.
Regarding Abba, though I would not support the addition for Prog Related, it is not altogether without merits, I think. To me, this is a proggy song:
And, incidentally, not to make a case for Abba, I find some similarities with Abba to Mellow Candle which is in Prog Folk (two female singers of course).
ABBA is one of the best pop bands, cleverly made pop, by skilled musicians (especially the keyboardist) and the girls did amazing vocals.
A lot of 70s musicians had great, complex arrangements but that don't make them prog. Even French artist Joe Dassin (Le jardin de Luxembourg is quite an epic ).
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:39
I've supported Alice Cooper, and continue to for Prog Related.
Regarding Abba, though I would not support the addition for Prog Related, it is not altogether without merits, I think. To me, this is a proggy song:
And, incidentally, not to make a case for Abba, I find some similarities with Abba to Mellow Candle which is in Prog Folk (two female singers of course).
My basic position is that (at least almost) everything suggested has a degree of merit (the degree can depend upon the listeners' expectations and associations, knowledge of the music and familiarity with other similar acts etc.)
Edited by Logan - September 17 2010 at 13:47
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:35
to me Alice Cooper fits better then Meat Loaf in Progarchives, he was one of the first to bring theatrics on stage and they were influenced and did also influence prog bands (Genesis hinihint, stage show, costumes)
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 12:59
The Truth wrote:
Logan wrote:
How did Meat Loaf influence Prog, and what makes him "exceptional"?
He didn't influence it, but he was influenced by it.
That's what I thought, but the PR expectations were changed some time ago to must be influenced by and must be an influence on Prog (before that it was or rather than and). But now the definition (guidelines) has changed again, and it doesn't look like like they must meet the influence on criterion anymore to be considered (though it's still mentioned, in fact in the number one place). Meat Loaf did not meet former standards for entry, as I see it, so maybe things will be different now.
Edited by Logan - September 17 2010 at 13:00
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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