Politically incorrect prog??

Stressed Cheese wrote: And sometimes, if you feel like you're not allowed to have a certain opinion anymore, it might be a good idea to look at why that seems that way and perhaps consider if you're just not keeping up with modern society.

For every person who takes taking offense too far, there's 100 people who whine about people who take taking offense to far, and 100 more who spout nazi bullsh*t. Of all the problems we're dealing with in the world today, it's probably one of the smallest, and yet some people seem to get the most upset about it. But it's also a little sad that there's people who seem to have a harder time with nazis being deplatformed because it clashes with their idea of free speech, than with the nazis themselves. There's actual freedoms being removed or being put at risk by far-right a****les, but no, let's keep bitching about how a venue didn't want to host some transphobic comedian or whatever. Poor guy...

Edited by Atavachron - September 10 2023 at 21:39

Atavachron wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ speech is either free or it isn’t - you can’t have your cake and eat it, too. Horsesh*t.

Good point! I hadn’t considered that.

Logan wrote: David_D wrote: Freedom of speech and expressing own opinions is of course very good, but I think with respect for other people values and without being unnecessarily provocative. I don't think we should be expected to respect other people's values, some values I consider abhorrent. And some absolutely would not accept my, for instance, secular enlightenment values. How tolerant should I be of intolerant values and how respectful of the disrespectful. I guess if we were all respectful of each others values without being that provocative, it might be a better world. That said, I also would like to see children protected form some of their parents values which might be harmful and dangerous to them. And I think things like mockery can have their place in making for a more just, kind and rational world. I remember after the Charlie Hebdo slaughter people saying they had what was coming to them, which I find sickening. I might not like the cartoons either, but I'd sooner align with Hebdo than those who slaughtered them, threatened them for offending their beliefs, and for those who try to stifle speech with threats of violence. I think we need balance.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ speech is either free or it isn’t - you can’t have your cake and eat it, too.

I'm no free speech absolutist, so one could say that I am not free speech but for much freer speech compared to many others. At least I think there should be laws governing speech which include consequences.... Libel laws, laws on if you can shout fire in a cinema, speech that calls out for people to kill or maim people etc., such things should be regulated. In Canada I don't like our hate speech laws and the government is not as tolerant of free speech as I would wish, and I find a lot of it problematic and self-serving of certain special interest groups.

David_D wrote: Freedom of speech and expressing own opinions is of course very good, but I think with respect for other people values and without being unnecessarily provocative.

I don't think we should be expected to respect other people's values, some values I consider abhorrent. And some absolutely would not accept my, for instance, secular enlightenment values. How tolerant should I be of intolerant values and how respectful of the disrespectful. I guess if we were all respectful of each others values without being that provocative, it might be a better world. That said, I also would like to see children protected form some of their parents values which might be harmful and dangerous to them. And I think things like mockery can have their place in making for a more just, kind and rational world.

I remember after the Charlie Hebdo slaughter people saying they had what was coming to them, which I find sickening. I might not like the cartoons either, but I'd sooner align with Hebdo than those who slaughtered them, threatened them for offending their beliefs, and for those who try to stifle speech with threats of violence.

I think we need balance.

Hrychu wrote: Should this topic be moved to General Discussions ? I'd say yes.

I had planned to move this if nudging this back on track did not work. If it moves back to the Prog then I might possibly move it again.

Edited by David_D - September 10 2023 at 07:33

Should this topic be moved to General Discussions ? I'd say yes.