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Okocha 
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 Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:55 |
 Treasure wrote:
I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure garbage and they've really made nothing of interest since The Wall.
Are they overrated?
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1) IMO The Wall is the one of the worst albums by PF !!!
2) The Dark Side of the Moon
3) Atom Heart Mother
4) Wish You Were Here
4) UmmaGumma(Live)
etc...
2,3,4.... :This is why PF are great !!!
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darksideof
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:27 |
febus wrote:
One day. we are going to ask the PA admin. to BAN the word ''overrated''. It is used and overused and worst, carries no meaning.
Every thread mentioning this word.....deleted!!!! disappeared!!! and PA planet will be a better world after that!.
You like PINK FLOYD or not.......... doesn't matter!! they are the vitrin of prog. Millions of progheads learnt about this kind of music because of SOSecrets, Meddle, AHM, DSOFTM and so on.
Of course, the prog ''elite'' will tell you PF is not that complicated , no time changes and other stupidities and worst, a few ''elitists'' history revisionists are even denying the word prog to the music of PF. ..
As if ATOM HEART MOTHER was reggae/ska maybe!!!!!!
NO, NO, NO!!! they're not overrated and everyone should say THANK YOU to Roger, David, Rick and Nick and Syd for everything they did, the pleasures they gave us and all the doors they open for other prog bands.
So tired of this overrated PINK FLOYD bashing! |
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darksideof
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:24 |
Treasure wrote:
I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure garbage and they've really made nothing of interest since The Wall.
Are they overrated?
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pure Gargage?!!!  no wonder you are a newbie!!!
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seamus
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 07:43 |
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NO!!!!!
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someone_else
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 06:39 |
It seems that you have aimed an arrow at a sacred cow.
They've earned their place in prog history by producing lots of interesting and influential stuff, especially in the period 1968-1977. I don't think they're overrated...
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 04:54 |
Treasure wrote:
I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure garbage and they've really made nothing of interest since The Wall.
Are they overrated?
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No
If anything, they are underrated - especially by this posting;
Their "early psychedelic stuff" was revolutionary - the songs still stand as progressive-thinking compositions, with progressive arrangements and production techniques, and the longer pieces are outstanding composed improvisations that have and continue to inspire generations of musicians.
Pink Floyd inspired a whole scene in Germany - listen to almost any early Krautrock album and hear the influences.
Their early material was astonishing - to write it off as garbage shows a lack of understanding of the growth of popular music as well as a complete lack of appreciation for the music that Floyd produced - a shallow appraisal indeed.
Since the Wall, however, I agree - they've produced nothing of interest - but what a way to go out, and what a legacy they left.
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Peter
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 04:07 |
(^ That method of fishing is called trolling.)
Edited by Peter - June 17 2008 at 04:10
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 04:06 |
Prof. wrote:
I enjoy their music, I think its swell, but I dont think its so mindblowing orgasmic that they should be called Underrated. |
Please, direct me to this "mind-blowing' and "orgasmic" music you allude to! 
 As far as I know, over-indulgence in LSD is "mind-blowing" (as are mental illnesses and brain aneurysms), and only having sex to the point of climax is truly "orgasmic."
My point (again): it's all just music, and all a matter of personal, subjective taste. No mere music is the aural equivalent of hallucinogens, or sexual release. "Overrated" is a judgmental, confrontational and ultimately non-valid concept. It is less a statement of one's own tastes, than it is a disparaging, disrespectful judgment of others' tastes -- and thus very arrogant! 
Threads such as this are tailor-made to offend and inflame. 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 03:02 |
rushaholic wrote:
I am tired of seeing overrated used on this site.
You either like a band or you don't.
For me, Pink Floyd is absolutely incredible.
Short answer - NO. |
You don't like PF? Fine. I don't like many other bands, but I don't go around starting threads about them being 'overrated'. As Peter said, I'd like to see this 'rating' you speak of. Last time I looked, musical tastes (like every other taste anyway) were a matter of personal preference.
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Prof.
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 02:56 |
Well, I had to vote 'no' because I dont feel they are overrated, but in the same sense I also dont feel they are underrated.
There is no question they are prog pioneers, they have amazing music, and you cant deny the general publics reviews for the ratings on their albums.
But at the same time there are all the people who will cut your throat for speaking ill of Pink Floyd in any way. I do feel they have some freakin great music, but maybe not to such a strong degree. I know people will just pass my post by because I havent heard there 'best' stuff, but I have still heard a decent chunk of good stuff; The Wall, DSotM, Ummagumma, AHM, Obscured, and of course WYWH. I know I havent heard Saucer, Animals, Meddle, or Piper, but I think I can make a pretty decent opinion on what I have heard.
I enjoy their music, I think its swell, but I dont think its so mindblowing orgasmic that they should be called Underrated.
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 02:26 |
Peter wrote:
By whom, exactly, and where can we find this rating you write of? 
I believe that a lot of people here (and elsewhere) actually enjoy their music, but still, most people on the planet -- by far -- don't own ANY of their albums...
Is red clothing overrated? Many people wear a lot of it, but I tend to avoid it.
What's that? That's just a matter of personal taste, you say?
Hmmmm....
Or, to put it another way, do you think being pre-pubescent is overrated?
And how about posting more than just once in your own thread, and responding to the nice people who have taken your bait, and dignified your mean-spirited, ill-mannered, arrogant and asinine question with sincere answers? Is that "overrated" too? |
Ten points to Gryffindor!!!
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kenmartree
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 02:22 |
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Peter
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 01:42 |
By whom, exactly, and where can we find this rating you write of?
I believe that a lot of people here (and elsewhere) actually enjoy their music, but still, most people on the planet -- by far -- don't own ANY of their albums...
Is red clothing overrated? Many people wear a lot of it, but I tend to avoid it.
What's that? That's just a matter of personal taste, you say?
Hmmmm....
Or, to put it another way, do you think being pre-pubescent is overrated?
And how about posting more than just once in your own thread, and responding to the nice people who have taken your bait, and dignified your mean-spirited, ill-mannered, arrogant and asinine question with sincere answers? Is that "overrated" too?
Edited by Peter - June 17 2008 at 02:16
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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ClassicRocker
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Posted: June 17 2008 at 01:06 |
Relayer09 wrote:
If you can track down a copy of Archives: Echoes Live 70-71 the version of Embryo on that album is worth having alone. |
If you are referring to the 1970-71 BBC Archives set, then I can confirm that the performances are excellent (including both of the "Embryo"s)!  Really great live material, but it disappoints me that the Floyd hasn't done any work in regards to pre-1980 (The Wall Tour) live releases. You'd think with the ever-expanding fan base of millions that the band/record companies would be churning out remastered archival material!
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 23:26 |
I don't really care for half of Dark side and Wish you were here and they are supposed to be their 2 best albums according to many people. I really like Animals, while Meddle, Obscured, The wall and Atom heart mother are fairly good. Pretty good band, but not half as great as proggers say  . They lack the clever/complex melodies of most 70s prog bands
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:45 |
Well my opinion might be an influence of my dad...huge Pink Floyd fan, but he can't stand Roger Waters ego. He loves both of their solo stuff but finds Gilmours better, therefore I hear more of Gilmour then Waters, when he decides to put that on at least (he's going through a bit of a Porcupine Tree phase at the moment  ).
But still, it's not as if I haven't heard enough of Waters stuff, I just find Gilmours better overall, especially the guitar.
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Relayer09
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:39 |
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If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:39 |
darqDean wrote:
febus wrote:
One day. we are going to ask the PA admin. to BAN the word ''overrated''. It is used and overused and worst, carries no meaning. |
It's actually not that difficult to do (he says with his finger itching to press the [Admin] button and really do it), all I have to do is enter 'overrated' (and the plethora of misspellings you guys are so prone to) into the bad-word censor and viola! every time someone types 'overrated' it is replaced with a word or phrase of my choice... such as 'spiffying' or 'pomegranate'.
So there you are: Is Pink Floyd pomegranate? - doesn't that sound far more interesting as a topic already.
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So tired of this overrated PINK FLOYD bashing! |
Me too - and what saddens me more is that the bands these 'bashers' like in preference I also like (but probably not as much) ... now if someone came along who didn't like any of the bands I liked and started bashing one of them I'd understand... that would be 'reasonable' and perhaps even 'acceptable' to some degree... if they only listened to J-Lo or B-ouncy or something of that ilk perhaps, of course those people would never be able to put forward a well constructed and reasoned argument of why they thought that to back up their claims, so I'd nod and say "fair enough, dude, each to their own" and go back to my coffee and newspaper. But here, in the confined environment of a Prog forum, where all members have at least some knowledge of progressive music and the back-catalogues of those artists, we can have those well constructed and reasoned arguments why they are 'overrated'...
::scans back through last 2 pages::
...or not. |
*Cough, cough* Maybe you should go back and read what I originally posted. I believed I used this thing called "a well constructed and reasoned argument" that you speak of  If you disagree with anything that I have to say, please let me know and I will be more than happy to debate you or anyone else on this thread that disagrees with me.
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:34 |
MisterProg2112 wrote:
Drew wrote:
This should be a thread about how Roger Waters solo stuff is UNDERRATED |
I disagree, if you listen to Gilmours solo stuff, it sounds a lot more like floyd than Waters'. Gilmour = Underrated, Waters = a tad overrated IMO |
Gilmour's stuff is a bit boring- Waters is a better lyricist and writes better songs  Perhaps a vote is in order.
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Relayer09
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 22:32 |
Roger Waters has weird teeth. They scare me.
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If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb
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