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Matthew T
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 16:03 |
I don't care about Ian Anderson personally but I know one thing and that is I like Jethro Tull  I can't say they are my most played band but I sure played these albums in the seventies.In order of preference
Aqualung
Thick as a Brick
Warchild
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 14:14 |
After a point, what's the point?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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el dingo
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 13:55 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Well, I haven't met any of them yet, but If I hate everyone I've ever met then, oh what the hell, I'd probably like them. |
Ain't it great to stay on topic! 
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 13:52 |
Well, I haven't met any of them yet, but If I hate everyone I've ever met then, oh what the hell, I'd probably like them.
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 22 2009 at 14:14
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el dingo
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 13:48 |
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 13:38 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
How can you "hate" someone if you`ve never met them? Duhhh.
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I dunno, I hate everyone I've never met. 
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 22 2009 at 13:53
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 09:50 |
How can you "hate" someone if you`ve never met them? Duhhh.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: May 21 2009 at 05:13 |
I'm a big fan of Jethro Tull but I'm not really a fanboy... I find their post- Songs from the Wood career extremely spotty, and recently I've started to think that some of their really long numbers go on a bit too long though with Thick as a Brick that's probably part of the joke. Speaking of Thick as a Brick, to be honest I wouldn't have figured out it was a parody if Ian hadn't said so because all of Jethro Tull's albums have a lot of humorous lyrics. Maybe this is more evidence that a good parody also works as an example of what it's making fun of? As for Ian's disillusionment with the progressive rock scene? Well, in my experience really influential musicians usually dislike most of their imitators so that's just par for the course and Ian's nowhere as bad about it as other carriers of what I call "Robert Fripp syndrome".  I'd actually be more bothered by this if it was from a much newer band because those give off a much bigger "too cool for class" feeling if they try criticizing the scene, but artists that have been pioneers of a genre have earned every right to comment critically on it. They know what it's supposed to be all about, so they can distance it from the "scene" without being condescending or hypocritical. So, while Mr. Anderson might be a bit too cynical for his own good it doesn't make me dislike him that much because I don't find it that anomalous coming from him.
Edited by Toaster Mantis - May 21 2009 at 05:15
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b_olariu
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Posted: May 21 2009 at 05:01 |
I love Tull, one of the most chalenging and brilliant bands ever grace the prog music. Not only Anderson is major figure in prog music and music in general, but the whole rest of the musicians who contributet to the succes this band had in the '70's is imense and without doubt very unique and with great value.OK Ian Anderson is among my top 3 lyricist ever, very profound and you have to be open minded to understand the core of his lyrics. My fav Tull albums are in this order
1.Songs from the wood
2.Passion play
3.A
4. and the whole rest
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progrules
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Posted: May 21 2009 at 04:45 |
I'm a bit in between where Tull's concerned. I only really love Locomotive Breath as a song. Aqualung and TaaB are good/very good songs. But I really can't understand the adoration for the band. I mean, of course everyone is allowed to, why not ? But I just can't see the huge class the album TaaB has.
In my review I even stated that the interview was the best part. That was a little harsh and cynical really but I meant by it that I do like the interview and am not blown away by the epics. No more and no less.
And by liking the interview it shows that I have no problem with Andersons personality.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 15:30 |
Oh, no! Italics, run away, run away!
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 15:29 |
I really love this band. In my book, the "Heavy Horses" album is one of their masterpieces. Here's a more detailed exposition of my feelings toward this album.-
“Heavy Horses” is the logical continuation of the solid prog-folk approach delivered in the “Songs From the Wood” album, and what a lovely follow-up it is. The previous release had been an absolute triumph of Jethro Tull’s ever-present folkish side refurbished and manifested at its maximum potential of sophistication, in no small degree due to the tasteful synth layers and orchestrations provided by John Evan and the new 6th member David (now Dee) Palmer. What “Heavy Horses” brings as a source of refreshment for this new pinnacle era of Jethro Tull is the use of more natural orchestral arrangements (real strings), as well as a special guest called Darryl Way (yes, the virtuosos violinist from Curved Air). Evan restricts himself to organ and piano, and the synth input is not as abundant. Maybe the occasional portative pipe organ handled by Palmer has more presence than the synths, but again, the keyboard efforts are properly stated in the mix. All in all, the items that are more recurrently featured in the mix (besides Anderson’s flute) are the interplaying acoustic/electric guitars and the drums: this album indeed comprises some of the best Barlow work ever, and I’m talking about a musician who always knew how to use his percussive mastery for good effect. As in the “Wood” album (and many other songs from the previous Tull catalogue), the consistent topic of the tracklist focuses on rural things, but now the predominant mood is not one of celebration of the reality and fantasy in the village men’s lives: “Heavy Horses” is an overall look at the pros and cons of the life (lovely life, after all) in a farm amidst our modern urban-centered times. ‘… And the Mouse Police Never Sleeps’ is a catchy tune about cats watching for mice in their role of countrymen’s best friends; its playful mood is properly perpetuated in the romancing ‘Acres Wild’ and the candid ‘Moths’. Caught between these colorful songs is the grayish ‘No Lullaby’, full of intense rocking sounds and patently prog-oriented shifts. This song signifies a particular apex for Barre and Barlow as performers. ‘Journeyman’ ends the album’s first half with a featured rhythm section that emulates the driving dynamics of a vehicle with funky-friendly swings that oddly feed the song’s basic blues-rock feel. ‘Rover’ brings back the album’s most candid side with well-ordained flourishes that echo the explicit splendor of “Songs From the Wood”, in this way opening the album’s second half in a very exciting way. ‘One Brown Mouse’ is less ornamented but still displays a similar colorfulness – the rural mood works beautifully. But the source of superior beauty comes with the penultimate track, the namesake one, which IMHO is one of the finest Anderson moments as a writer and a poet. This mini-epic that almost totals a 9 minute span celebrates the ancient power of farm horses while calibrating the negative side brought by tractors and other industrial artifacts. The soft piano-vocal passages, the orchestrations exquisite beyond words, the melodic development of the guitar leads and Way’s violin inputs, the fluid sequences between various moods and time signatures, all of them gather together in a perfectly logical framework that capitalizes the song’s beautiful melodic lines. Epic and magical, with a lovely mixture of melancholy and naivety in the lyrics that make sense with the musical material – ‘Heavy Horses’ is a Top 5 song in JT’s history. The album’s closer ‘Weathercock’ brings back a moment of final optimism to complete the tracklist on a pertinently candid note. This album is a must in any rock collection (prog and not prog), and definitely, a wonderful masterpiece from a band whose heyday was still running on by the late 70s.
Edited by Cesar Inca - May 20 2009 at 15:30
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 06:38 |
American Khatru wrote:
More love for 'A'. Nice to have company.
PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:
If you want to hear Tull doing great stuff in that same year, you just have to look at the EP they released... |
I didn't have or know about that EP growing up, but I did have Living in the Past. And it just so happens that every track on the mentioned EP is a track of which I wore out the grooves on LitP. Great post well stated. Agree about Warchild, it's good but I find I don't give it much time.
As for the countless others here who've said what a good man Anderson is, I personally have no reason to disagree (and didn't from the beginning - I may not have made the clear). I love him, his acerbity and the whole thing. As for other people disliking him, I guess we can just chalk it up to an old story in the world: strong personalities always get a lot of flack from some quarters, especially during their productive lives; though they may have done little to deserve it, the tiniest flaw, perhaps something not even a flaw in the light of truth, gets blown all out of proportion.
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If you haven't got the Warchild remaster you need to get it. You'll almost find an album of tunes you wished Tull released in 1974. The 7 bonus tracks are the type of songs you would expect Tull to record after hearing so much great music from 1971, 72 and 73 with LITP, Aqualung, TAAB and APP. The 7 bonus tracks are mainly better than almsot all the 11 original songs although i love Queen and country and the title track  . There are actually about 11 or 12 extras from 1974. March the mad scientist is also from 1974 and there is an improved version of Bungle too. There are 2 unreleased tracks called Beach parts 1 and 2 also. I have links to 8 of the bonus tracks you can download and hear in full if you like. Very quick downloads. I also have a clip of that Bungle tune too
Edited by PROGMONSTER2008 - May 18 2009 at 06:43
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American Khatru
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Posted: May 17 2009 at 07:11 |
More love for 'A'. Nice to have company.
PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:
If you want to hear Tull doing great stuff in that same year, you just have to look at the EP they released... |
I didn't have or know about that EP growing up, but I did have Living in the Past. And it just so happens that every track on the mentioned EP is a track of which I wore out the grooves on LitP. Great post well stated. Agree about Warchild, it's good but I find I don't give it much time. As for the countless others here who've said what a good man Anderson is, I personally have no reason to disagree (and didn't from the beginning - I may not have made the clear). I love him, his acerbity and the whole thing. As for other people disliking him, I guess we can just chalk it up to an old story in the world: strong personalities always get a lot of flack from some quarters, especially during their productive lives; though they may have done little to deserve it, the tiniest flaw, perhaps something not even a flaw in the light of truth, gets blown all out of proportion.
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: May 17 2009 at 02:26 |
Nipsey88 wrote:
Not much to add to this thread, other than to tell the OP that I love "A" as well...
In fact, I greatly enjoy almost all of their albums...sorry "Too Old..."
Oh, and J-Tull.com was a bit of a snore...but other than that...
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I really like A too. But Dotcom is cool 
Awol, Wicked windows, Dotcom, Dog ear years, Far Alaska, It all trickles down(outtake) are enough great tunes for me 
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crimhead
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 22:47 |
I saw and enjoyed them on the War Child tour. All the interviews that I have heard with Ian, he comes off as nothing more than a down to earth guy that appreciates what music has given him.
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Nipsey88
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 21:22 |
Not much to add to this thread, other than to tell the OP that I love "A" as well...  In fact, I greatly enjoy almost all of their albums...sorry "Too Old..." Oh, and J-Tull.com was a bit of a snore...but other than that...
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 20:28 |
Tull are the ultimate band and Ian the ultimate song writer imo. But I happen to find alot of their songs I'm not much of a fan of are the songs they chose to release on albums. I think Tull could produce great songs whenever they felt like it, but they took risks at recording commerical songs for some albums. I'm not really a fan of Side 2 of Aqualung. I find it pretty straight forward and ian sings with an annoying voice, but it's obvious the band were taking risks. If you want to hear Tull doing great stuff in that same year, you just have to look at the EP they released as well as Side 1 of Aqualung. The band must have recorded about 20 songs in 1971, but I believe they released the weakest 5 songs of that year on Aqualung(Side 2). If Ian wasn't looking for a few dollars he probably wouldn't have written commercial tunes. Same with warchild. It's a soundtrack(11 songs) mainly full of commercial tunes, apart from 2 or 3 cool tracks. But the real Tull songs are the 7 bonus tracks. There's enough gems in 1971(12 out of 20 songs) and 1974(10 out of 18 songs) to say to me that half the songs on original Aqualung and Warchild albums were below Tulls standards but mainly written for commercial purposed . I think these 2 albums would be reasons why many prog fans think Tull were overrated. But if they can get a hold of the remasters plus Living in the past, they'll see the band produced plenty of quality folk/prog rock in those 2 years and the original 11 tracks chosen for each album doesn't quite represent the band imo
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American Khatru
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 15:56 |
Just read your review Atav, very nice job and very well stated. I think I'm going to have to get that record  . Lazland, succinctly said. I agree entirely. We have something here: I learn in the course of life that TAAB was a huge poke at the press and I see it as just another level added to a monumental work, the farce deepened; another person, not well disposed toward our codpieced piper, might hear the same thing and think, yeah that guy's a self-important ass.
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lazland
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 15:00 |
I have loved Tull's music for many years, especially their folkier side. It is absolutely true that TAAB was penned originally as a massive piss take of the music press and scene of the time, but it was done in such a loving way that I can't really find it in me to criticise.
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