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Points: 2506 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2010 at 11:15
Because the French have Zeuhl and a lot of good fusion/prog bands.
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Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Ah come on, the French don't like anything. TongueExcept for fries...


And those are actually Belgian. As I am.


What's funny and I don't if you had heard this already is that when the French came out in opposition to the Iraq was some dumbasses started renaming their French Fries Freedom Fries.  Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
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Points: 2488 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2010 at 09:47
No wonder Berlioz was always booed by his fellow countrymen!
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Originally posted by Varon Varon wrote:

Maybe because of questions like this one?
Mais à vrai dire je crois que c'est un préjugé mal fondé. 
+ En France il y a Débussy, Ravel; Berlioz etc. It's much better than all progbands IMO . 
++ Don't you think that Symphonie Fantastique of Berlioz is a real  forerunner of progrock??


This is an excellent point! Of all the symphonies I know (from Haydn to Arvo Part) it's the proggiest by far! A concept album avant la lettre!
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Maybe because of questions like this one?

Mais à vrai dire je crois que c'est un préjugé mal fondé. 

+ En France il y a Débussy, Ravel; Berlioz etc. It's much better than all progbands IMO . 
++ Don't you think that Symphonie Fantastique of Berlioz is a real  forerunner of progrock??
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probably (not quite) rock but they are very famous outside of france and have a huge following, and are respected for their green metal/nature eniviromentalist
 
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As a french, I find this question stupid but funny LOL
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P.S. Nowadays there's Forgas Band Phenomena, who are also French and as proggy as you could ever hope for. Allons enfants!
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No SERIOUSLY. I've never heard such a stupid question. In prog's 1970s heyday French music mags wrote about nothing but prog. And as others have said, the French had their own significant bands, from Atoll to Magma, with lots of others in between. One of my favourite prog albums of all time was dominated by French players (and composers): Gong's GAZEUSE.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Ah come on, the French don't like anything. TongueExcept for fries...


And those are actually Belgian. As I am.
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Ah come on, the French don't like anything. Tongue
Except for fries...


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 18 2010 at 06:38
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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I think I'm the first to point out that this is one hell of a sweeping generalisation. If I were a French prog fan (and there are probably lots of them) I'd be pretty miffed. 
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France produced Ange so at least some personnes Francaises must have appreciated prog genius.

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Originally posted by luc4fun luc4fun wrote:

Don't know about french people, but I have an idea about the reason why italians like prog. Actually it would be better saying "why during the seventies, many prog bands were born or had success in Italy".
Dont forget that most of italian prog lovers today have white hair...Tongue

Anyway, IHO my idea is that italians in general are eclectic, do not like rigid rules or standard parameters.
In this way, prog is exactly what italians like: music without limits in parameters, metric or fixed schemes.

Last but not least, italian composers in classic music, had their influence in italian people musical taste.



Yes i agree with this post. And the reason why French don't like prog is difficult to answer. I just noticed reading many reviews of Prog Rock cd's that they are very demanding regarding the vocals and lyrics contents of a cd. And if they don't like one of those they will put down a cd even if the music content is very good. Or maybe it's just because they are jealous that the Britain people have taking over the genre  in the 70's.LOL
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

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Name some significant rock bands from France.?


Just because the English-speaking world will only listen to English-speaking bands doesn't mean France can't rock. Telephone was one of the great punk bands. And while Nirvana got all the press, I was more interested in Noir Desir. These two bands are probably the ones the French would consider the most significant bands. If Noir Desir had been British instead of French, they'd be a household name and "Un homme presse" would have been as significant a song in the US/UK as Beck's "Loser", Radiohead's "Creep" and the Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony," etc.

Let's see, a great rock album would be Soldat Louis' 1988 album Première bordée. Indochine was one of the great 80s bands anywhere. Of current bands, M83's the one that has impressed me the most, drawing as they do from shoegaze and My Bloody Valentine's playbooks.

I guess in the electronica and dance genres France has produced a number of significant artists.

But still, generally, yeah, France has always been somewhat insulated so that the sheer number of rock bands produced by England and the US could never be matched by France. Much of their music draws from other traditions (the chansons, for example).

Still, there's a great many French singers I love, from Gainsbourg and some of the ye-ye singers to singer-songwriters like Alain Souchon, Etienne Daho and Francis Cabrel.



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Don't know about french people, but I have an idea about the reason why italians like prog. Actually it would be better saying "why during the seventies, many prog bands were born or had success in Italy".
Dont forget that most of italian prog lovers today have white hair...Tongue

Anyway, IHO my idea is that italians in general are eclectic, do not like rigid rules or standard parameters.
In this way, prog is exactly what italians like: music without limits in parameters, metric or fixed schemes.

Last but not least, italian composers in classic music, had their influence in italian people musical taste.
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I'm gonna leave this here: FRANCE
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Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

The Italians took Van Der Graaf Generator to #1 on their charts. Think about that.
One prog band at #1 for a week (if we don't consider Pink Floyd) in the last 40 years can't be considered statistically significant. It's just 1 on 2080 weeks.
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I think we should let the French answer this question
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Points: 4006 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2010 at 02:28
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Why do Canadians like prog rock but americans don't?
 
Same reason the English like prog but Scots don't?
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