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ExittheLemming
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Posted: December 04 2011 at 05:20 |
JS19 wrote:
That's a lovely made up word. Words are only made up when there is an absence of a term for something. These bands are prog hence why they are in the prog archives. I'm very fed up of people trying to coin new names for them in order to have some degree of separation between them and classic prog, just for the elitists.
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I don't believe the demarcation sought is designed to appease anyone, least of all those you deem 'elitists' What we recognise as Prog circa '73 bears very little semblance to that which we recognise as Prog 2011. (Porcupine Tree or The Mars Volta don't sound remotely like Yes or ELP for the sake of a glib comparison) The OP is interested in how that state of affairs came into being and posits the perfectly reasonable question: is there a cut off point where the original defining characteristics of Prog are completely absent, yet we still recognise that modern artist as Prog?. Why do you object to that idea?
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2011 at 05:15 |
JS19 wrote:
That's a lovely made up word. Words are only made up when there is an absence of a term for something. These bands are prog hence why they are in the prog archives. I'm very fed up of people trying to coin new names for them in order to have some degree of separation between them and classic prog, just for the elitists.
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For once, I concur completely.
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sleeper
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Posted: December 04 2011 at 05:07 |
Post Progressive is a useless term invented by the press just to label modern prog rock bands that dont sound like Yes/Genesis/Pink Floyd and doesnt have any meaning to it whatsoever.
Oceansize, The Mars Volta, Radiohead and Anathema are prog rock bands without a doubt. In fact, TMV and Radiohead are two of the most experimental and progressive bands of the last 20 years. Muse and Elbow I wouldnt call progressive rock bands though they show very strong influences from prog. I havnt listened to the others.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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JS19
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Posted: December 04 2011 at 04:42 |
That's a lovely made up word. Words are only made up when there is an absence of a term for something. These bands are prog hence why they are in the prog archives. I'm very fed up of people trying to coin new names for them in order to have some degree of separation between them and classic prog, just for the elitists.
Stop it. Now.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: December 04 2011 at 04:23 |
I've not heard of "post-progressive" yet.
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Gerinski
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Posted: December 04 2011 at 03:01 |
adamhunter wrote:
- What do you consider Post Progressive to be? Is it Prog? Is it something else? If it is something else, what do you consider it to be?
- Would you consider the following bands to be "Progressive" or "Prog" - Elbow, Muse, Radiohead, Mars Volta, North Atlantic Oscillation, Oceansize, Coheed and Cambria, Anathema, No Sound - Or do you consider these bands to be something else? - if you do consider them to be different what do you consider them to be?
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Hi and welcome!
To avoid repeating myself I would address you to my post a few minutes ago in the thread "Is Prog really Prog" which says something related to this question.
As for the bands you mention, by now and at least in this site they have become widely accepted as Progressive Rock although in my personal vocabulary I rather consider them as alternative rock but OK, as discussed in many other threads we have to accept that with the passing of time the term Prog grows wider and gradually encompasses more different music.
If you like the term I'm happy if you call them Post-Progressive, but I would not call them simply Prog.
The problem with the term Post-Progressive is that it may loose sense within a few years, a bit like the problem of Neo-Prog which by now is anything but new.
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tamijo
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Posted: December 04 2011 at 01:54 |
I'we never seen the term before, the term itself seems fine if you talk about music in a historical way, it those new bands playing prog., without looking that much at how prog was played back then. But its hardly a genre.As if it was a genre you could say Fripp was post-prog, and thats not what you are saying is it. What you are saying is that it a period in music or ?.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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adamhunter
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Posted: December 04 2011 at 01:25 |
Hello to one and all,
Firstly, can I just say, what a fantastic forum and community you have built. Been doing a lot of reading these last few months on this forum and I have been truly impressed.
My name is Adam, and I am currently studying a MA in Critical Musicology. I am a total prog nut. From all eras.
I am currently doing a project where I am discussing/investigating musical discourse, genre and canon formation. I am in particular, looking at the formation and rise of the Post-Progressive. What I find really interesting is how some prog fans reject the term and others embrace it. So as part of my investigation, I am trying to find out why?
So here are my questions - - What do you consider Post Progressive to be? Is it Prog? Is it something else? If it is something else, what do you consider it to be?
- Would you consider the following bands to be "Progressive" or "Prog" - Elbow, Muse, Radiohead, Mars Volta, North Atlantic Oscillation, Oceansize, Coheed and Cambria, Anathema, No Sound - Or do you consider these bands to be something else? - if you do consider them to be different what do you consider them to be?
I would love to hear your thoughts on this, and in true prog style, I am looking forward to some interesting answers, talking points and debates over this issue.
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