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Surrealist
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 23:44 |
Analog synths are not digital sampling machines. It ends there.. if you sample you go to jail for ten years!
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Dean
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 21:16 |
Surrealist wrote:
As far as the modern music.. I was referring to LIVE music. 400K kids out at some Techno fest over in Europe this summer. That is the Woodstock of this head down generation. The children of the Atari generation and Playstation generation.
I just hope some future generation looks at the crap their parents were listening to and say.." you're kidding right?
Ask any 15 year old kid what they like and they will start talking about "beat's and groove's" It's computer generated garbage. I never thought I would want to be a communist but if there was a country that would ban all that crap I would move there. Only original music allowed. No sampling or loops allowed. All bands must play at least 20% of their music in odd meters. No guns, no drum machines. 10 years in prison for either.
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 Your knowledge of music is underwhelming, almost as good as your ability to pull random made-up numbers out of thin air. I struggle to take anything you post seriously at the best of times but this is your best by far.
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Catcher10
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 21:11 |
Surrealist wrote:
The only way to cram more on to a side is to heavily compress the audio
as this reduces the lateral excursions (wiggle) in the groove. Albums
that have 30+ minutes per side sound flat and lifeless because they lack
dynamic range.Wow, Dean and I actually agree on something. Get out the party hats!
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Very true...but once the first 20:00 are done I am too involved to dissect the last 3-4 minutes
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 20:51 |
^ Let's not make unjustified generalizing statements here. The thread is called "The Role of Computers in Prog".
Surrealist wrote:
As far as the modern music. I was referring to LIVE music. 400K kids out at some Techno fest over in Europe this summer. That is the Woodstock of this head down generation. The children of the Atari generation and Playstation generation. I just hope some future generation looks at the crap their parents were listening to and say.." you're kidding right?
Ask any 15 year old kid what they like and they will start talking about "beat's and groove's" It's computer generated garbage. I never thought I would want to be a communist but if there was a country that would ban all that crap I would move there. Only original music allowed. No sampling or loops allowed. All bands must play at least 20% of their music in odd meters. No guns, no drum machines. 10 years in prison for either. | I don't know whether or not this was meant as a joke, but in any case I think you should give techno a chance. Maybe there are just too many acts out there who give it a bad name and very few that don't. Tell me TD's "Phaedra" doesn't sound to you like techno in any way.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - September 23 2014 at 20:56
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Surrealist
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 20:40 |
In my generation... any 15 year old kid knew who YES was or Jethro Tull. Every kid knew Pink Floyd. Most new ELP and all kids knew Led Zeppelin. Alan Parsons was considered gentle Prog. Robin Trower was played all over the place. Kids would discuss the meaning of life with you. Conversations were deep and meaningful. We still had some time to talk about dime bags and girls. But it was a much more intellectual generation. Kids today usually know a lot about one or two things.. but they can't fix a car or turn a screw driver.
I read an interview with Roger Dean and he said if you looked at the year 2014 through a 1969 perspective, one would be VERY Disappointed. I couldn't agree more.
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Surrealist
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 20:33 |
As far as the modern music.. I was referring to LIVE music. 400K kids out at some Techno fest over in Europe this summer. That is the Woodstock of this head down generation. The children of the Atari generation and Playstation generation.
I just hope some future generation looks at the crap their parents were listening to and say.." you're kidding right?
Ask any 15 year old kid what they like and they will start talking about "beat's and groove's" It's computer generated garbage. I never thought I would want to be a communist but if there was a country that would ban all that crap I would move there. Only original music allowed. No sampling or loops allowed. All bands must play at least 20% of their music in odd meters. No guns, no drum machines. 10 years in prison for either.
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Surrealist
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 20:25 |
The only way to cram more on to a side is to heavily compress the audio
as this reduces the lateral excursions (wiggle) in the groove. Albums
that have 30+ minutes per side sound flat and lifeless because they lack
dynamic range.
Wow, Dean and I actually agree on something. Get out the party hats!
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Dean
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:39 |
SteveG wrote:
The industry standard used to be 25 minutes but, with modern tech, who knows?
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The only way to cram more on to a side is to heavily compress the audio as this reduces the lateral excursions (wiggle) in the groove. Albums that have 30+ minutes per side sound flat and lifeless because they lack dynamic range.
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Dean
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:36 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Kati wrote:
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true plus maximum music per side on an LP is 15 minutes per side, thus limited. |
15 min is not a maximum per side for an LP..There is a limit, but 15 is not a maximum.
Side 1 of JT~Passion Play is 23:07
Side 3 of Spocks Beard~The Light 23:07
Side 1 of Mike Oldfield~Tubular Bells 25:00
And all sound fantastic.... |
TB1 side 1 sounds a bit ropey towards the end, it could have been improved a lot by being a few minutes shorter.
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Catcher10
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:13 |
SteveG wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Funny...we are all "audiophiles". Regardless of what/how you listen to your music you desire it to sound the best it can, which is what an audiophile wants...the best sound possible.
And yes I know there are extreme cases on both ends...but someone listening to a mp3 at 128kbps on their $100 phone thru $30 earplugs wants it to sound good. Just like the guy who spent $30,000 on an analog rig or $50,000 on a digital rig, they want it to sound good.
Both are audiophiles. | I had a friend that would only listen to music on a car radio. He also ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with pasta with sauce. There's just no accounting for taste |
Hey! I like PB&J with strawberry jam only...
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:08 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Kati wrote:
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true plus maximum music per side on an LP is 15 minutes per side, thus limited. |
15 min is not a maximum per side for an LP..There is a limit, but 15 is not a maximum.
Side 1 of JT~Passion Play is 23:07
Side 3 of Spocks Beard~The Light 23:07
Side 1 of Mike Oldfield~Tubular Bells 25:00
And all sound fantastic.... |
The industry standard used to be 25 minutes but, with modern tech, who knows?
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:07 |
Come to think of it, maybe that explains your confusion over Beach Boys being Proto-Prog too..
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SteveG
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:06 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Funny...we are all "audiophiles". Regardless of what/how you listen to your music you desire it to sound the best it can, which is what an audiophile wants...the best sound possible.
And yes I know there are extreme cases on both ends...but someone listening to a mp3 at 128kbps on their $100 phone thru $30 earplugs wants it to sound good. Just like the guy who spent $30,000 on an analog rig or $50,000 on a digital rig, they want it to sound good.
Both are audiophiles. |
I had a friend that would only listen to music on a car radio. He also ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with pasta with sauce. There's just no accounting for taste
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:02 |
Kati wrote:
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true plus maximum music per side on an LP is 15 minutes per side, thus limited. |
15 min is not a maximum per side for an LP..There is a limit, but 15 is not a maximum.
Side 1 of JT~Passion Play is 23:07
Side 3 of Spocks Beard~The Light 23:07
Side 1 of Mike Oldfield~Tubular Bells 25:00
And all sound fantastic....
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Dean
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:01 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Funny...we are all "audiophiles". Regardless of what/how you listen to your music you desire it to sound the best it can, which is what an audiophile wants...the best sound possible.
And yes I know there are extreme cases on both ends...but someone listening to a mp3 at 128kbps on their $100 phone thru $30 earplugs wants it to sound good. Just like the guy who spent $30,000 on an analog rig or $50,000 on a digital rig, they want it to sound good.
Both are audiophiles. |
I'll stick to using the term audiophilist for the latter and music fan for the former.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:01 |
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 19:00 |
Dean wrote:
This is why I ignore music awards shows and don't listen to the radio. But who needs actual statistics when we have perception, it's like genre-windchill - it's 5% but it feels like 80%.
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I agree but sometimes the windchill feels like 100%.
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 18:56 |
Dean wrote:
it's like genre-windchill - it's 5% but it feels like 80%.
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That term could come in handy for our team evaluations. "It's not really Avant-Prog, the genre-windchill only makes it feel that way."
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Dean
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 18:53 |
SteveG wrote:
This is interesting Dean, but I wonder how much "Hip Hop" is actually classified as Pop now. There's rap and the there's Gangsta Rap. Big difference.
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Yup. Still doesn't make 80% no matter how he frigs the numbers.
Catcher10 wrote:
When you watch the music award shows.....70-80% of the show is geared towards Rap/HipHop/Country/Pop...The Rock is not what you and I classify as Rock. |
Yup. Confuses the hell out of me too - 100% of UK broadcast radio is Dance, R&B and Pop, no Rock what so ever no matter how you classify it. This is why I ignore music awards shows and don't listen to the radio. But who needs actual statistics when we have perception, it's like genre-windchill - it's 5% but it feels like 80%.
Edited by Dean - September 23 2014 at 18:54
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SteveG
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 18:42 |
Catcher10 wrote:
When you watch the music award shows.....70-80% of the show is geared towards Rap/HipHop/Country/Pop...The Rock is not what you and I classify as Rock. |
I definitely agree with that. Even older Country artists like Steve Earle can't relate to modern Country, let alone modern Pop.
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