Is it time for Brutal Prog as a new sub?

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   Tried to post this in the collab section but it wouldn't let me.
There is a general consensus of the tag BRUTAL PROG as a bona fide subgenre of progressive rock. Many of the bands on this site are tagged under RIO / Avant but many have been rejected. It's a style of prog that is as brutal as metal but not quite fitting into the metal world but sometimes easily crosses over and still in some cases does qualify as experimental or avant-garde metal.

Looks like this topic has been suggested before but with no responses and then quickly locked.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19739

Definition by RYM:
First coined by Weasel Walter of the band The Flying Luttenbachers, Brutal Prog describes a diverse array of artists working within the Progressive Rock and Avant-Prog idioms. Brutal Prog combines the intensity and sonic dissonance of genres like Hardcore Punk, Noise Rock, No Wave, and Free Jazz with the complexity and adventurousness of Progressive Rock, Avant-Prog, and Math Rock. 

Though the genre has its precursors (such as the highly influential group Ruins), its peak of popularity occurred in the early 2000s with bands like Upsilon Acrux, Hella, Zs, Ahleuchatistas, Yowie, and Grand Ulena. 

Weasel Walter's own ugEXPLODE, as well as Skin Graft Records, Cuneiform Records and Tzadik, featured numerous Brutal Prog bands.

I recently also made a comprehensive list of BRUTAL PROG artists for my own amusement.
quîntĒSSĖNTÎÅL~BRüT@L~PRôG~fîxx
http://https://rateyourmusic.com/list/siLLy_puPPy/quintessential_brut_l_prog_fixx/

In addition to RYM recognizing this sub as a worthy addition, so do many other sites. 

http://https://www.last.fm/tag/brutal+prog

https://bandcamp.com/tag/brutal-prog

https://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/976hxz/looking_for_some_brutal_prog_band_recommendations/

Many others simply give multiple tags to cover it. Ruins is for example prog rock, noise rock, avant-garde jazz, harsh noise, zeuhl, avant-garde metal.

The tag is much more widely used than when the original suggestion was presented in 2006 so maybe it's time to consider it as a worthy new sub here.

First of all, is it even possible to add a new sub with the owner's involvement with the site?

Secondly, who else thinks it's a valid tag worthy of addition? 

Thirdly, if everyone does agree what would it entail if we added such a new sub to the database?

I've already made a comprensive list of worthy candidates so that aspect of the research has been done.

Let the comments begin! 

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siLLy puPPy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15418	Post Options Post Reply Quote siLLy puPPy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 17 2019 at 07:26
	Tried to post this in the collab section but it wouldn't let me. There is a general consensus of the tag BRUTAL PROG as a bona fide subgenre of progressive rock. Many of the bands on this site are tagged under RIO / Avant but many have been rejected. It's a style of prog that is as brutal as metal but not quite fitting into the metal world but sometimes easily crosses over and still in some cases does qualify as experimental or avant-garde metal. Looks like this topic has been suggested before but with no responses and then quickly locked. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19739 Definition by RYM: First coined by Weasel Walter of the band The Flying Luttenbachers, Brutal Prog describes a diverse array of artists working within the Progressive Rock and Avant-Prog idioms. Brutal Prog combines the intensity and sonic dissonance of genres like Hardcore Punk, Noise Rock, No Wave, and Free Jazz with the complexity and adventurousness of Progressive Rock, Avant-Prog, and Math Rock. Though the genre has its precursors (such as the highly influential group Ruins), its peak of popularity occurred in the early 2000s with bands like Upsilon Acrux, Hella, Zs, Ahleuchatistas, Yowie, and Grand Ulena. Weasel Walter's own ugEXPLODE, as well as Skin Graft Records, Cuneiform Records and Tzadik, featured numerous Brutal Prog bands. I recently also made a comprehensive list of BRUTAL PROG artists for my own amusement. quîntĒSSĖNTÎÅL~BRüT@L~PRôG~fîxx http://https://rateyourmusic.com/list/siLLy_puPPy/quintessential_brut_l_prog_fixx/ In addition to RYM recognizing this sub as a worthy addition, so do many other sites. http://https://www.last.fm/tag/brutal+prog https://bandcamp.com/tag/brutal-prog https://www.reddit.com/r/progrockmusic/comments/976hxz/looking_for_some_brutal_prog_band_recommendations/ Many others simply give multiple tags to cover it. Ruins is for example prog rock, noise rock, avant-garde jazz, harsh noise, zeuhl, avant-garde metal. The tag is much more widely used than when the original suggestion was presented in 2006 so maybe it's time to consider it as a worthy new sub here. First of all, is it even possible to add a new sub with the owner's involvement with the site? Secondly, who else thinks it's a valid tag worthy of addition? Thirdly, if everyone does agree what would it entail if we added such a new sub to the database? I've already made a comprensive list of worthy candidates so that aspect of the research has been done. Let the comments begin!
	https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy