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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65845 |
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I know exactly what you mean about a kind of blind loyalty to a certain artist - in this case Tull - and I even wrote a review about exactly that;
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=197109 |
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American Khatru ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 28 2009 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 732 |
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Good question - I didn't ask. It was a real shut-down moment. I'll ask him next time I see him. Even so, and maybe some of you out there will identify with this with regard to other bands, if his hatred is really of the deep and ingrained kind, even TAAB might not stand a chance. Just thought of something. He has a little daughter. Perhaps the kid is too young still, but someday she should hear the story of the hare who lost his spectacles (sniff)! |
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el dingo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 08 2008 Location: Norwich UK Status: Offline Points: 7053 |
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I've never thought of Tull as being that clinically devisive before.
I LOVE TAAB ,Aqualung, This Was, Stand Up and lots of tracks from others, but there's a fair bit around that I mildly dislike.
Has the OP's friend heard everything or just making a blanket judgement based on hearing a few bits and pieces? Even I haven't heard everything and I'm positively ancient
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Luke. J ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 07 2008 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 380 |
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I am somewhere inbetween. While I think Tull are at their best when it comes to a mixture of folk and rock, I can not find anything interesting about the albums considered more "progressive". The album Aqualung totally fails to impress me, TAAB has some good moments, so has A Passion Play. But if you ask me, Songs from the Wood, The Broadsword & The Beast (not that much folk in there, I have to admit) and maybe Heavy Horses are my favourite Tull records, also some "older" folky tunes.
To make it short: I think Anderson's voice and flute don't fit progressive rock as well as folk rock. Just for the record and the topic: I used to hate Jethro Tull. |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I've seen and/or heard a few Ian interviews and nothing gave me the impression he was a douche.
![]() The notorious Genesis three have come across that way in interviews. I'm not really hopelessly devoted to Tull though I am certainly a big fan. Edited by Slartibartfast - May 16 2009 at 08:52 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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cobb2 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 25 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 415 |
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Ian freely admits that TAAB was done as a farce because of the critics saying that Aqualung was a concept album. Just listen to the tongue-cheek lyrics. Every concert I have seen him perform it at, he always introduces it sneeringly, deriding the concept of progressive music. Is it any wonder that some prog fans may find this annoying.
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American Khatru ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 28 2009 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 732 |
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Yeah I guess I was being political or something when I said "comes off like a jerk I guess." I'm saying this is what some people say who've also heard it. But me, I don't really think so. He sounds like a composer if anything; call that pretentious and you insult high musical art. But what do I know...
As for my mention of 'derision', you can see that I didn't say it was in that interview. It's something I swear I remember either hearing myself, or someone said he said. Edited by American Khatru - May 16 2009 at 08:12 |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24439 |
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I have got the same CD, and have listened to that interview. However, I don't think in the least that Ian Anderson comes across as an ass. As big as a prog fan as I am (and I started listening to prog when I was about 11 years old), I have to honestly admit that not all concept albums can be called successful, either in musical or lyrical terms, and that some bands in the Seventies were taking things a bit too far. Moreover, I don't really think Ian was 'deriding' the idea - certainly not in the way the mainstream critics were. Parody has always been present in the arts, and it often comes from within a genre or movement, rather than from outside it.
Ian Anderson is definitely a strong personality, with some undeniably abrasive traits. However, the fact that he has remained on good terms with most of the musicians he played with (something that can hardly be said of other musicians, who have alienated people left, right and centre) proves that he's not such a horrible human being as some would like to portray him. He's also one hell of a great songwriter and lyricist, and - last but not least - a big cat fan ![]() |
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American Khatru ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 28 2009 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 732 |
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Hey all. I recently made a new friend with whom I can talk endlessly about prog, which of course is a real joy in life. I got around to bringing up Tull and he just went feh!, categorically hates them. I didn't push it since this is a new friend, plus his hatred was so visceral I'd probably have no shot at persuading him otherwise, or even convincing him to give them a fair shot (maybe after a while, but probably not).
I've noticed this with other people too and this band. Now as for me, I'm what you might call a hopeless fan. Often times I can't even see the criticisms. That's because I've been listening to them since I can remember; my older brother's record collection is to blame. Throughout the 70's I listened a lot, religiously at points, to every Tull album he had, namely Stand Up, Benefit, Aqualung, Living In The Past, Thick As A Brick, Passion Play, Minstrel In The Gallery, and Songs From The Wood. (TaaB, Passion and Wood would in time shake out as my top favorites.) Along came the paper route and I bought Heavy Horses and Stormwatch, and a friend taped Too Old for me (didn't like that one much). I bought 'A' right when it came out too, and that right there is the proof that I'm hopeless. Can somebody else tell me they love that particular album too?, because I just listened to it yesterday; I haven't met anyone who likes that album, let alone a person who likes it as much as I do. I just listened to it yesterday, and when I look at my play counts in iTunes I have to say it is way up there. I might just be ![]() ![]() ![]() Back to my new friend: he hates them. And it's, well, basically because Ian Anderson can apparently be a real, er, doosh. Now, I had no way of knowing this when I was a kid (except maybe the lyrics!; but music was my main thing, and being a prog fan one abides silly lyrics, lying in wait for the gems). No internet or any of that, I was just hearing this great effort-filled music and was swept away by it. My friend didn't grow up on it, and feels certain that he'll never fully appreciate them because of this almost reptilian level of dislike, the sort of thing that no one but a great psychologist could possibly disabuse one of (and the same probably goes for my blind love). Not long ago I got the CD of TaaB with the bonus tracks. At points he comes off like a jerk I guess, but mostly sounds to me like a man knowing what he meant. But of course, nothing embarrassing to hime was about to be put on a Tull CD as a bonus track. I do think I recall that he has, here and there in interwiews and whatever, derided the idea of concept albums, or otherwise been considered an ass. Is it fair to say that the figure of Anderson is what gets in the way of appreciation of Tull's music? Is it the flute, the voice, the man, the codpiece, all of it? Something else? Share your proofs, with links if you got 'em. Thoughts? |
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