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Posted: April 05 2011 at 03:31
russellk wrote:
davidk wrote:
I didn't ask for reading material I asked for music, and fyi you don't sound smart you just sound like you are trying to sound smart. Reading AC does not make you smart. Also, like stated before what is the point in wasting your time posting completely irrelevent bullsh*t on a post that has nothing to do with AC or reading for that matter? I don't really think anybody here including me really gives a sh*t if you think you are a genius?
A little more humility please. You're asking for people's help then ridiculing them for offering assistance.
Because he's evil...
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Posted: April 05 2011 at 03:29
davidk wrote:
I didn't ask for reading material I asked for music, and fyi you don't sound smart you just sound like you are trying to sound smart. Reading AC does not make you smart. Also, like stated before what is the point in wasting your time posting completely irrelevent bullsh*t on a post that has nothing to do with AC or reading for that matter? I don't really think anybody here including me really gives a sh*t if you think you are a genius?
A little more humility please. You're asking for people's help then ridiculing them for offering assistance.
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 16:21
There's a theme in César Francks organ piece "Grande pièce symphonique", in major key, which is tranquil but very grand, and profound. It couldn't be described by one word, such as "dark", but it gives me kind of an ominous feeling:
If you like dark industrial electronic stuff, there is the "Silent Hill" videogames (1 and 2 in particular). This is a very good horror piece with a nice escalation. Maybe you want more harmonies and stuff, but you mentioned that you wanted music that give you the creeps, so..
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Posted: March 31 2011 at 01:36
...there's 3 others parts too
I think this whole album is pretty dark, and "evil." Even the lyrics are dark. Others have mentioned it already, but I also agree with Tago Mago. Like one person said, it was not meant to sound dark, but it really does come off as dark, especially Augmn and Peking O. I remembered listening to that for the first time and I felt so disturbed, but I was so tranced out by the music that I had to finish it. It is a little hard to get into. Hopefully this helps you out for what you are looking for.
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 23:51
Perhaps Metamorfosis's "Inferno" would qualify? It's about Dante's novel, and it's full of ominous keyboards.
Or Il Balleto di Bronzo's "YS".
Oh yes, and Rick Wakeman's song "Judas Iscariot", with some great church organ.
And then, perhaps more on the popular side, but some early Pink Floyd? At least the live version of "Careful with that Axe Eugene"... perhaps even the whole "Live in Pompeii"...
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 15:19
TODDLER wrote:
Must Agree. Maybe some people feel they are not ready to take the plunge into Penderecki but much prog is influenced by this music. Excellent choice!
Heck ... let's go all out and add Carmina Burana, to the list ... again, the lyrics are more suggestive than otherwise, and if you didn't know the piece and heard it without the choral and vocal parts, you might thing ... a bit repetivie, interesting ... ultimately ... strange and ... evil? ... again ... what is evil for one might not be for another! And the devil maybe bad for some of us, but good for others! And vice versa despite the church not liking it ... or worse ... my god is not your god and so on ... which is the cause of so many wars and what not in many areas these days!
And there was a thread that some folks thought that Magma was evil ... and I would like to suggest that the folks saying it have a lot more to look at in the mirror than Magma!
Edited by moshkito - March 29 2011 at 15:19
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 15:10
cstack3 wrote:
Good comments, thanks! I'm not familiar with Tago Mago & must check it out!
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I've written some of my own music (instrumental) that was so dark & forboding, it is hard to listen to (and I wrote & played it!!) It's never been released.
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Dark is fine, but evil is best left alone.
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Remember that not everyone sees the light that you see ... thus what might be dark for you is not (necessarily) dark for someone else. And we had a blind friend (who used to hitchhike to Moby Disk and back to get albums!) ... who used to say that we were all fools always looking for a light we never found!
The important thing for Tago Mago, is realize that it was an "experiment" that involved some 20 hours of recording that was cut up in segments and they were pasted up together regardless of what was on them ... to get the final product. This is explained in the Can website by Holger!
As such, this is something that we do not like or can appreciate. In general, and music is very much this way, we have this idea that it has to be orderly and logical ... and when you are confronted with something that totally does away with that idea, you will not like it, and will be confronted with something that you (or I or anyone else) is going to call it dark, ugly, and everything else under the sun, because it is something that we do not recognize, and has no connection to our inner experience or vision ... and that is really important to realize ... that many people call something "dark" that they simply do not know, or understand!
Tago Mago is excellent ... and probably the most heroic of all the "krautrock" samples that came out of the music schools in the era ... by comparison, I would say that those from the Agitation Free, and stuff that went on to become electronica, is much more "academic" in design and idea, than Tago Mago is ... and on top of it, they even had a "non-singer" with them ... Damo. This was, in essence, almost the same thing, as Jean-Luc Godard called "anti-film" ... and this version would be "anti-music" ...
Again, please see that unbelievable BBC special on Krautrock ... a lot of this comes very clear quickly and it also explains the people and the scene beautifully. It did not connect the film and literature a lot more as it should have, because they were intertwined, but it's still magnificent ... and more importantly ... take a mental note of Edgar Froese's words ... absolutely massive and important, but not something that many of us will EVER see during one's lifetimes ...
Edited by moshkito - March 29 2011 at 15:32
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Evil is a bit much for me. The representation of evil in lyrics and sometimes composition is not for me. I don't find evil in 20th century classical but I do find it to be mysterious. I like Prog, Classical, Electronic and Folk music that has a mysterious sound and causes the reaction of the listener's mind to travel distances. Some music that is classified evil is too obvious for me personally. Music that contains that mysterious atmosphere is not.
You listed Comus First utterance, and I was just thinking about whether you had its folky sibling Mice and Rats in the Loft from Jan Dukes de Grey? Not entirely evil, but quite different, dark and uneasy on the ears.
Starless and Bible Black contains one of the most evil tracks I know of in Fracture, which would make Darth Vader look like Miley Cyrus with a couple of fluffy kittens by comparison.
Another album I consider dark and - well to some extent evil is Within the Realm of a Dying Sun by Dead Can Dance. A very cold and icy adventure through an apocalyptic symphonic orchestration with Jim Morrison like vocals and beautiful Arabic/Celtic female yodeling - driving the record forward into blackness and isolation in the most wonderful way. NOT a rock record this one.
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Posted: March 29 2011 at 05:58
KyleSchmidlin wrote:
I love the activity on this message board, but it's also a curse because I can hardly read all the responses before writing my own. So, I didn't read all of these. But to my ears, a lot of the stuff mentioned ain't dark at all. Just like death metal. People who try to be scary, and fill their music with all these dark tones and evil lyrics and sinister intervals, don't sound scary at all. They sound cartoonish and childish. The scariest album I have ever heard is Tago Mago by Can. That album is intense, and dark, and NOT by design. It just came out that way. And I mean that. Try really being into that album alone in the dark or something. It's possible, but it will probably put you in some place extremely uncomfortable.
Tago mago is a great album IMO but I don't find it scary. I would say that the emotions I feel when hearing it are frustration, confusion and worrying.
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