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Posted: September 03 2012 at 10:26
Kashmir75 wrote:
Anyway, this interview was from seven years ago. I think SW has softened his stance on prog since then, he used to not much like the label.
Well, of course, it's much cooler and trendier to be associated with Progressive Rock now than it was in 2005 isn't it? I would think that has something to do with him "softening his stance" on the label
I like science fiction and fantasy too, and am of course, a prog fan. I think what Wilson really meant is that the neo prog movement is not doing anything new. Anyway, this interview was from seven years ago. I think SW has softened his stance on prog since then, he used to not much like the label.
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 23:03
I haven't read this whole thread. I do not actually know the current generation of Prog as well as I would like to. I just got through reading a thread about alarming (or perhaps humorous) comments by Ian Anderson, which although a bit different seem not unrelated to this. There's one comment right off that I want make about SW's comments that really ticks me off. My father read science fiction and fantasy. I was brought up reading science fiction and fantasy. I have friends who read science fiction and fantasy. Lots of people read science fiction and fantasy, more probably now than in 1972. Just look at the space devoted to it in just about any bookstore. A science fiction or fantasy lyric is not "rubbish" simply because it science fiction or fantasy.
Oh, and I was deeply into mythology too when I was younger.
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Posted: September 01 2012 at 11:26
The Ummagumma live album is really excellent, for me. The Studio one is a mixed bag, some nice moments and some utterly unlistenable ones. Now, Coma Divine, from Porcupine Tree, does seem to carry on the Ummagumma feel, and I really love that album because of that.
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Posted: September 01 2012 at 05:13
Around the same time SW made this statement, he appeared in some magazine with his all-time favourite British albums. His #1 was "Ummagumma". Then I felt that someone who thinks tuneless crap is the best thing ever done couldn't be taken seriously.
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Posted: August 28 2012 at 15:57
I like the flower Kings and like them very much, Transatlantic I do find formulated, I think Mr Wilson needs to be carefull hear, is he saying that true form progression is via bands like Porcupine Tree or Mars Volta Raidiohead and so on and that the past should be left there.
Trouble is when Mr Wilson picks up his pay for remastering Emerson Lake and Palmer or King Crimson, his argument falls flat.
Also everything been done there is nothing 100% original these days all borrow from here or there, or diffrent era's 60's 70's and so on.
HIs solo work is clearly reaching for dark avenues,but his works are not so obscure that the music has never been heared, early Pink floyd eaisly comes to mind, I think in his attempt to be original the balance is all wrong, I find his solo work tedious and boring at times, with Porcupine Tree the music is more measured and thoughtfull.
I don't think he is any position to demand bands chose a certain path, let the music take care of its self, people who love and appriciate good music can decide for themselves.
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Posted: August 25 2012 at 07:06
I would generally agree on SW comments on The Flower Kings - not completely, because I like also some of TFK stuff very much.
Thing I miss usually in TFK music is genuine inspiration. TFK endless compositions lack memorable pieces and melodies, and tend to recycle their old ideas sometimes in very stiff way. I do not have a problem with them because of sounding "too retro" or "regressive" though. BUT I love Transatlantic equally as Porcupine Tree. Both band are usually full of inspirational ideas. So does it make me SW or RS follower?
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Posted: August 23 2012 at 00:18
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Progsters mad at (bad) pop. What else is new
There is good pop on the radio at the moment - Gotye.
but anyway...
Are their other songs better than Somebody That I Used To Know? I've heard it on the radio and didn't think it was very good.
I assume so, he's been popular in the underground music scene for awhile, Somebody That I Used to Know just happened to be a hit. My cousins are big fans of his and have been since he started but I haven't listened to much outside of his big hit, but what I have heard is pretty decent stuff. He sounds a lot like Peter Gabriel in my opinion (and to the opinion of many critics).
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Posted: August 22 2012 at 18:14
Meta wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
I think you're right though if a band like Porcupine Tree caught onto the mainstream, I would be kind of worried but also suspicious. By the way, I understand your point of view about progressive rock musicians making pop music. They have done it and are as guilty as anyone. Also, I'm sorry for calling you an a****le and for my rudeness towards you yesterday. I was already frustrated that day and arguing on this thread didn't help matters.
The Incident reached #25 on the Billboard top 200. I'd say that's about as mainstream as prog gets, at least in this millennium.
Regarding the OP, I tend to agree a little more with SW, though perhaps he could have been a bit more tactful. I really like Roine Stolt and think he's a fantastic player, but there is no question that TFK and Transatlantic are trying to emulate classic prog. Does that make it bad or not enjoyable to listen to? No. Does that make it truly progressive? One could make the case, as SW does, that the answer to this is no.
The irony of SW's more derivative early material is not lost on me. But artists mature, and he's gotten to a very good, very original place. Their level of success demonstrates that fact.
As I mentioned, I think Wilson and Stolt are doing essentially the same things. They're borrowing sounds and styles here and there and putting them through their own blenders. Even for Wilson, it's hard to escape the ghost of prog rock past entirely. Both Stolt and Wilson are doing outstanding things in music and I have respect for both of them.
Edited by Mirror Image - August 22 2012 at 18:14
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Posted: August 22 2012 at 16:19
Mirror Image wrote:
I think you're right though if a band like Porcupine Tree caught onto the mainstream, I would be kind of worried but also suspicious. By the way, I understand your point of view about progressive rock musicians making pop music. They have done it and are as guilty as anyone. Also, I'm sorry for calling you an a****le and for my rudeness towards you yesterday. I was already frustrated that day and arguing on this thread didn't help matters.
The Incident reached #25 on the Billboard top 200. I'd say that's about as mainstream as prog gets, at least in this millennium.
Regarding the OP, I tend to agree a little more with SW, though perhaps he could have been a bit more tactful. I really like Roine Stolt and think he's a fantastic player, but there is no question that TFK and Transatlantic are trying to emulate classic prog. Does that make it bad or not enjoyable to listen to? No. Does that make it truly progressive? One could make the case, as SW does, that the answer to this is no.
The irony of SW's more derivative early material is not lost on me. But artists mature, and he's gotten to a very good, very original place. Their level of success demonstrates that fact.
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Posted: August 22 2012 at 13:45
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HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
Have you ever actually heard Katy Perry sing? It's awful.
Okay, so I looked for her supposedly awful "real" singing and this is what I got:
Judging by the comments, she can't sing one bit. Judging by my ears, I have no idea what everyone is talking about. The singing is actually pretty decent, much better than I expected.
Well, her start was super-shaky and it doesn't sound like she really did nail the first two lines of the verse even on the re-iterations. Anyway, one video is not enough for me to judge because the best of singers can have a bad day and I also can't tell just how 'real' is this performance. I don't really have the inclination to listen to enough Katy Perry performances to make a comment, so I will continue to be indifferent. I have always heard of Britney lip synching in her shows though; it's news to me if she can indeed sing.
I listened to about a minute of that (I couldn't stand the music or the video) but the singing wasn't bad, actually. It wasn't remarkable and there were a few rough spots but it wasn't bad singing by any means (although it sounded completely uninspired). The music is another matter entirely.
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Posted: August 22 2012 at 11:26
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
Have you ever actually heard Katy Perry sing? It's awful.
Okay, so I looked for her supposedly awful "real" singing and this is what I got:
Judging by the comments, she can't sing one bit. Judging by my ears, I have no idea what everyone is talking about. The singing is actually pretty decent, much better than I expected.
Well, her start was super-shaky and it doesn't sound like she really did nail the first two lines of the verse even on the re-iterations. Anyway, one video is not enough for me to judge because the best of singers can have a bad day and I also can't tell just how 'real' is this performance. I don't really have the inclination to listen to enough Katy Perry performances to make a comment, so I will continue to be indifferent. I have always heard of Britney lip synching in her shows though; it's news to me if she can indeed sing.
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Posted: August 22 2012 at 11:09
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Kashmir75 wrote:
She's bloody rubbish. Talentless.
The music? Very much so. The singing? It's okay. Nothing remarkable, but I'm starting to think that the people who trash her singing abilities have some kind of grudge against her. She's just a pop singer. As Mirror Image said, she'll be forgotten.
Kashmir75 wrote:
It makes me furious how everyone's heard of this Perry character, yet no one in the mainstream has heard of SW or PT. Criminal.
I think you should be happy that the people who have the bad taste to listen to Katy Perry know nothing about Porcupine Tree.
I have no grudge against any pop singer. If this is their idea of real music, then let them make their millions. I think you're right though if a band like Porcupine Tree caught onto the mainstream, I would be kind of worried but also suspicious. By the way, I understand your point of view about progressive rock musicians making pop music. They have done it and are as guilty as anyone. Also, I'm sorry for calling you an a****le and for my rudeness towards you yesterday. I was already frustrated that day and arguing on this thread didn't help matters.
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The music? Very much so. The singing? It's okay. Nothing remarkable, but I'm starting to think that the people who trash her singing abilities have some kind of grudge against her. She's just a pop singer. As Mirror Image said, she'll be forgotten.
Kashmir75 wrote:
It makes me furious how everyone's heard of this Perry character, yet no one in the mainstream has heard of SW or PT. Criminal.
I think you should be happy that the people who have the bad taste to listen to Katy Perry know nothing about Porcupine Tree.
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Posted: August 22 2012 at 10:08
Kashmir75 wrote:
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
Have you ever actually heard Katy Perry sing? It's awful.
Okay, so I looked for her supposedly awful "real" singing and this is what I got:
Judging by the comments, she can't sing one bit. Judging by my ears, I have no idea what everyone is talking about. The singing is actually pretty decent, much better than I expected.
She's bloody rubbish. Talentless.
Got nothing on Steven Wilson. It makes me furious how everyone's heard of this Perry character, yet no one in the mainstream has heard of SW or PT. Criminal.
Absolutely agree. She doesn't have a clue about music and it shows. I'm not too worried about singers like Perry because her time in the spotlight is only a passing thing. Twenty years from now, she'll be forgotten just like all of these other pop singers.
Edited by Mirror Image - August 22 2012 at 10:09
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
Have you ever actually heard Katy Perry sing? It's awful.
Okay, so I looked for her supposedly awful "real" singing and this is what I got:
Judging by the comments, she can't sing one bit. Judging by my ears, I have no idea what everyone is talking about. The singing is actually pretty decent, much better than I expected.
She's bloody rubbish. Talentless.
Got nothing on Steven Wilson. It makes me furious how everyone's heard of this Perry character, yet no one in the mainstream has heard of SW or PT. Criminal.
Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
Have you ever actually heard Katy Perry sing? It's awful.
Okay, so I looked for her supposedly awful "real" singing and this is what I got:
Judging by the comments, she can't sing one bit. Judging by my ears, I have no idea what everyone is talking about. The singing is actually pretty decent, much better than I expected.
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Sadly even her singles don't top the charts no more.
