Reviews discussion

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Dean wrote:   HOWEVER: People can review an album however they like - it is not for us to decide that someone is not permitted to review just because we don't agree with them. To do that is fundamentally wrong.   Yes Dean, but I believe there must be a limit. I rated one Tech Extreme Metal album with 2 stars. but: I took the time to write a review to explain WHY I haven't rated more albums of this genre, because obviously I don't like it I discovered Tech Extreme Metal is not my style al,most as soon as I heard the first album, and even when I heard many more, in friends houses, I won't expend my money in something I don't like. I don't believe for a second that this guy bought 56 albums of a genre he hates (all are rated with one star) and 100 Prog Metal albums,  (All except 2 a re rated with one star)...Each and every album without a support or a reason. Sorry, I don't buy this and I'm 100% sure that if this guy has heard 3 albums out of 156 is too much. Iván.

I don't disagree with you, but I don't agree with you either. I find it incredibly hard to believe he listened to that many albums of a genre he apparently doesn't like - he must be incredibly stupid to keep "buying" them if he doesn't like them and he must be inordinately dumb to bother to spend time rating them on a website such as ours when the votes he gives them count for so little and affect nothing - none of those albums he rated against affected anything he liked so it's not exactly smart rating manipulation, and that he took the time and energy to create two member accounts so he could repeat the exercise qualifies him as a brain worthy of laboratory investigation. BUT where do you draw the line? How many albums that he doesn't like is any one member permitted to rate/review? Is 8 1-star ratings for Genesis too much? I personally object most strongly to your Opeth review - I think it is a disgrace of the lowest order to deliberately down-mark what you consider to be a possible 4-star album by a whole 2-stars just because you cannot stomach death-growls - that's positively abysmal rating strategy and that you "took the time" (ie bothered) to write a review just makes it worse since your "rating" is now multiplied by 20 because you are a collab and because you wrote a review - HOWEVER - that's your opinion for which you are fully entitled and while I object to the rating value and your logic in applying it, I recognise your right to give it.

frippism wrote: Dean wrote: Henry Plainview wrote:   AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:     The problem is it takes one second to rate an album and too many are doing this. It gets me annoyed that they have the power to bring great albums down by rating 1 star A single rating only on a popular album has close to zero impact on the final rating, so they really don't. Assuming I didn't screw up the math because it's late, for one of the least popular albums in the top 100, an additional 1 star rating would bring it down .01%, on a midrange .003%, and on the second most popular (only because I didn't feel like manually counting the reviews on CTTE)  .0017%. Oh, the humanity.  Henry is right, and this is something I have been saying for years, rating manipulation is futile and ineffective. Definitely on the bigger albums, but the smaller (less popular) albums? Albums that are complete masterpieces, yet some jerk rated it 1 star, not knowing anything of the album, and ruins the rating, and nobody would interested in discovering the album, and nobody would be interested in listening to it to review it and attract a wider audience. It's dangerous. I say delete ratings in general.  Concerning Silber, which rated all RIO albums 1 star, and the only album he decided to review, is Cardiacs' "Sing To God", and also Ahmetbolanyig, who has rated almost all (all but "Hot Rats") one star, and "Sing To God" is one of his only reviews, have dramatically hurt the general view of the album, and of Cardiacs. And considering the situation, where as I already said, lead singer Tim Smith is 2.5 years now recovering from a stroke, this review hurts album sales, and decreases people's interest, in a time where every album sold goes straight to help Tim Smith's recovery And these 2 reviews have dramatically decreased the album's rating, and less people will be interested in buying it. AND of course, considering the music is so great in the first place, and all they are doing is reviewing a whole sub-genre and labeling crap, without really knowing what they're talking about many times!

Edited by Dean - March 19 2011 at 18:24

Good point. But he's mainly from Symphonic and neo-prog. For him melody is important. My concern was about KC that are not always so "melodic", and this is what I wrote in my message.

It beamed over here. Once again the review itself is not that bad but its a bit misinformed... as to what prog is. Since when was melody important? 

I don't know if there's any problem, but I took it that that was likely to be FM's (edit meant FL's as in Formentera Lady) concern, not that review itself was problematic.  It would take an admin to investigate and determine if there was any problem.

Edited by Logan - February 15 2011 at 22:04

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: Formentera Lady wrote: With interest I read the controversy about the person who reviewed TAAB with 2 stars and whose reviews disappeared mysteriously. Now with the same curiosity I am awaiting what you are saying to this one: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=401000 Similar wording, comparison with Genesis etc.. Today signed up, first review. (Not that I think it is illegal, though.) I do not agree with the reviewers opinion. But it is a review, justifying the 2 stars, and deserves to be here.

I'd like to move comments to Reviews discussion after supper.

I took it that the problem is not that the review itself is problematic, but that it looks like the same person might have written it who wrote the removed TAAB review (multiple account issue then).




Edited by Logan - February 15 2011 at 21:10

This is the private message that I've sent him. As for the previous review, I don't see anything "illegal" and I don't care about what's the top rated album. I have made SEBTP loose the top with my three stars review some weeks ago.

I wouldn't have used a thank you button though....I would have posted here or sent a PM

^ yes, I have enjoyed that as well.

We are HOPING to do a LIVE DVD/CD this year, but nothing is planned yet