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akaBona
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 10:24 |
leadsynt wrote:
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there's only one band that can beat Yes and that's Magma. King Crimson comes third. by the way, Tales From Topographic Oceans is a masterpiece. only a person with earwax problem claims something else ...
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like Mr Rick Wakeman for example... ?  He left Yes just because he didn't find TFTO was that masterpiece (as Anderson believed).
BTW, between Yes and KC ... KC has always kept a good average level throughout the decades, considering all the line up changes and has always had the improvisational side as a distinguishing trademark (with respect to other top bands in the prog-rock circuit, Yes, Genesis,....), but Yes has the highest peaks of all, as well as low moments that make forget what this band was originally... moreover, Yes was born as pop band, a vocal band, and only later they moved to extended songs making use of complex classic arrangements, vocal harmonies, hard rock rhythm section. It's very easy to be complex and to be dull at the same time, while it's very rare to be complex and to be pleasant instead. Yes is my favorite band 
"Jon Anderson is the only guy who is trying to save this planet while living on another (Rick Wakeman)"
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I think that after TFTO days Wakeman was kind of lost. The hype that had surrounded him several years has lead him to deadend, situation which also made him say some things he really didn't mean. He wanted to go forward and it was easy to take the next step when feeling kind of disapointed towards the latest album.
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leadsynt
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Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:43 |
akaBona wrote:
there's only one band that can beat Yes and that's Magma. King Crimson comes third. by the way, Tales From Topographic Oceans is a masterpiece. only a person with earwax problem claims something else ...
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like Mr Rick Wakeman for example... ?  He left Yes just because he didn't find TFTO was that masterpiece (as Anderson believed). BTW, between Yes and KC ... KC has always kept a good average level throughout the decades, considering all the line up changes and has always had the improvisational side as a distinguishing trademark (with respect to other top bands in the prog-rock circuit, Yes, Genesis,....), but Yes has the highest peaks of all, as well as low moments that make forget what this band was originally... moreover, Yes was born as pop band, a vocal band, and only later they moved to extended songs making use of complex classic arrangements, vocal harmonies, hard rock rhythm section. It's very easy to be complex and to be dull at the same time, while it's very rare to be complex and to be pleasant instead. Yes is my favorite band  "Jon Anderson is the only guy who is trying to save this planet while living on another (Rick Wakeman)"
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b4usleep
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Posted: July 03 2011 at 15:45 |
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Varon
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Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:13 |
I like KC very much, it's my third favourite band so they get my vote
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Posted: June 29 2011 at 09:40 |
I prefer Yes over Bill Bruford's little side project.
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JeanFrame
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Posted: June 29 2011 at 09:39 |
King Crimson, the pinnacle of prog. But Yes are Close to the Summit too.
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Posted: June 28 2011 at 23:47 |
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thehallway
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Posted: June 28 2011 at 13:13 |
I think Fripp would prefer Yes and Yes would prefer KC....... and not just out of politeness.
Crimson certainly influenced Yes, but by the time they made Heart of the Sunrise they were doing their own thing, and were doing far more complex numbers than any other band at that time ('cept maybe Gentle Giant). What Epignosis said rings true..... Yes were brilliant composers, creating pieces of music on a similar level to Stravinsky and Debussy, while KC relied on improvisation and expanding small pockets of genius into long, atmospheric mood pieces. Neither band could do what the other one did best very well at all.
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kingcrimsonfan
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Posted: June 28 2011 at 12:06 |
That is a hard one i would have to say King Crimson due to their variety of different sounds in one song especially in the power to believe period of their musical journey. but yes is just an inch away of beating this reason
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King Manuel
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Posted: June 28 2011 at 09:57 |
YES!!!! By a hundered thousand miles!
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The-time-is-now
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Posted: June 28 2011 at 08:19 |
Both excellent.
But Yes is much more amazing.
Robert Fripp can not create anything approaching "Deeper than", for example.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 27 2011 at 22:28 |
King Crimson. Bolder, more emotional, more versatile (though the last is achieved by an ever changing line up, really) and more consistent. But Yes is Yes.
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Posted: June 27 2011 at 21:54 |
JS19 wrote:
I find King Crimson to be the least emotional band I have ever heard. I can't listening to an album that doesn't reach me at all on that level, so It's yes by thousands of miles. |
I find Epitaph to be one of the most emotional songs I've heard, and Starless is pretty good on that aspect too...
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Dellinger
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Posted: June 27 2011 at 21:49 |
I love both, of course, but Yes is almost unbeatable for me. Well, Fragile and CttE are just flawless, with a flawless line-up.
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Hercules
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Posted: June 27 2011 at 12:24 |
dr prog wrote:
I think Crimson are overrated by prog fans because they were more experimental and left field than all the other bands. They were never really that popular to have big concerts either and with a long history prog fans like to support the long time underdog. But composition wise they're no better than many prog bands from the 70s really. They were a pretty good composition band while Sinfield was with them. They had a jazzy feel and used more keys in their songs. But I find them hard to really love when they had 4 singers and 4 drummers over a 3 year period. Too many changes to really love the band imo. Haskell and Burrell were pretty average vocalists too. The Wetton era is best for the slow tunes imo. Other than the slow songs the rest was mainly experimental album filling and the occasional cool riff imo. I guess I don't care for Wettons voice alot of the time though. A good bunch of albums from 1969-74 but that was it for them in the 70s. All over by 1975. Yes were a better band. Their songs were better compositions so they'll always be better. But Yes started to experiment too with 15-20 minute songs. Honestly I think they were running out of compositions by 1972 that they started dragging out songs with experimental sections of sounds and noises. They only had 2 more albums in the 70's after 1974. They were best from 1970-72 but they started to lose it a bit after that although they still had plenty of good ideas. As a whole I feel Yes are overrated by prog fans but only half as much as Crimson. I feel that bands such as Tull and Gentle giant have more quality over the 70s. Better composers over the decade |
You've summed it up very well, though personally I like John Wetton's voice. I really don't find much KC enjoyable at any level and the adulation which is directed at Fripp's guitar playing amazes me - to me he is very average. The track Red sums it up - dull, repetitive and never really goes anywhere.
Yes made some very good albums and a few turkeys, but they were light years ahead of KC.
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Posted: June 27 2011 at 12:15 |
Difficult. In general, both bands aren't my first choice for anything. I would say Yes wins overall because they have more albums I enjoy (CTTE, Fragile, Relayer, Drama, Going for the One, Magnification, Tormato -yes, I said it-) though they also have the album that best defines all I don't like in them and in many prog bands (TFTO); King Crimson, on the other hand, almost always leaves me cold, I have gotten rid of many of their albums which bored me to death, but I like Red a lot and they have one album which is a real masterpiece and which I enjoy more than all the other albums by these two bands put together: ITCOTCK.
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Volume
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Posted: June 27 2011 at 09:40 |
Guess
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thehallway
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Posted: June 27 2011 at 08:32 |
Roland113 wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
adace1 wrote:
What do you think? |
I think this topic isnīt original at all, even chest-nutty .
However, King Crimson anyway! |
I know a few others made vague references to this but you're known for inundating the polls with a slew of polls that could be considered variations on the same theme and unoriginal. Yet, the majority of us simply let you do your polls without giving you grief because it's your right to create the polls that you want to see.
I think it's a fair request to ask you to be tolerant of others' polls.
Remember, it's always easier to hit the back button than it is to detract from things that are important to other people.
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Well said, saves me commenting!
Yes for me, by a tiny amount (they are my favourite two bands).
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giselle
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Posted: June 27 2011 at 07:35 |
A tough one, like being asked to choose between your children. There's no doubt that King Crimson are the single most important band in Prog, but it has to be said that the influence of Yes upon King Crimson is massive too. Both owe an even greater debt to 1-2-3 of course, but that was pre-prog history, this is now.
On balance, it has to be King Crimson if such a choice really has to be made.
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digdug
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Posted: June 27 2011 at 07:24 |
Yes has more great albums for me
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Prog On!
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